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IdrA_vs_Dream.t)Zizi_2
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + GOGOGOGOOGOGO TIGER TERRAN | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
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conCentrate9
United States438 Posts
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New Zealand6138 Posts
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emily
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
 So few rax midgame though | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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eazo
United States530 Posts
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
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EnergyTraction
Canada233 Posts
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hixhix
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minus_human
4784 Posts
Idra played incredibly good, but there's still place for improvement Korean training starting to show its mark spectacular replay | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
painful to see + Show Spoiler + zerg throw his units away like that though | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17732 Posts
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BunkerPush
United States107 Posts
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
Really good game! | ||
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BalloonFight
United States2007 Posts
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Tomcat
Romania136 Posts
On May 26 2008 13:53 InfesTeD]i[ wrote: The best TvZ I have witnessed in my life. zomg! Really good game! You haven't seen too many replays of progamers, have you ? Nice game, but pretty "foreign" level. Both players losing TONS of units when it wasn't necessary... Take the first batch of marines... Idra loses all of them to the first round of lurks. I don't remember seeing Nada or OOV ever rush a wall of lurkers and lose their marines like that. Zizi could have pushed it right there for the win (and any pro would have, for that matter). Plus Idra simply abandoning all those barracks to ling+ultra... That's 1200 minerals right there, in a moment where things weren't looking too dandy for him. But that's just my untrained eye, so take it with a grain of salt It was an ok game, but nothing special IMO... Well except maybe the high unit count. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On May 26 2008 16:43 Tomcat wrote: You haven't seen too many replays of progamers, have you ? Nice game, but pretty "foreign" level. Both players losing TONS of units when it wasn't necessary... Take the first batch of marines... Idra loses all of them to the first round of lurks. I don't remember seeing Nada or OOV ever rush a wall of lurkers and lose their marines like that. Zizi could have pushed it right there for the win (and any pro would have, for that matter). Plus Idra simply abandoning all those barracks to ling+ultra... That's 1200 minerals right there, in a moment where things weren't looking too dandy for him. But that's just my untrained eye, so take it with a grain of salt It was an ok game, but nothing special IMO... Well except maybe the high unit count. I'll take it with a huge boulder of salt. | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
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Piste
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Interesting game tho! | ||
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Tomcat
Romania136 Posts
On May 26 2008 19:36 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: I'll take it with a huge boulder of salt. You're free to take it in the head, if you wish You fail to make a point. | ||
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
On May 26 2008 16:43 Tomcat wrote: You haven't seen too many replays of progamers, have you ? Nice game, but pretty "foreign" level. Both players losing TONS of units when it wasn't necessary... Take the first batch of marines... Idra loses all of them to the first round of lurks. I don't remember seeing Nada or OOV ever rush a wall of lurkers and lose their marines like that. Zizi could have pushed it right there for the win (and any pro would have, for that matter). Plus Idra simply abandoning all those barracks to ling+ultra... That's 1200 minerals right there, in a moment where things weren't looking too dandy for him. But that's just my untrained eye, so take it with a grain of salt It was an ok game, but nothing special IMO... Well except maybe the high unit count. O_o I guess we have different types of enjoying a match. Because I liked the flow of the game, of course they could have made better decisions, micro better, etc. But hey you should tell that to Savior nowadays... | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
"Foreign level" He's playing a semi prok korean and IdrA has been trained to play korean style. Also IdrA had one of the best TvZ's if not the best outside of korea I don't know how we can say "foreign level" whatever that even means. The stuff you brought up and backed with "I Never saw nada do that" is absurd. Nada is miles ahead of 99% of KOREANS you realize that? DOn't compare IdrA to the impossible standard of Nada. YOu will ALWAYS be disappointed. | ||
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TaHNe
Poland3 Posts
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gg_hertzz
2152 Posts
i like idra's tvz, but this particular replay was lackluster. I don't know how to explain it but idra just looked sloppy. | ||
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EnergyTraction
Canada233 Posts
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Tomcat
Romania136 Posts
I remember it left a "progamer" impression on me back then. Probably a combo of sick macro and insane micro... Can't remember vs who it was tho. I'm not saying Idra couldn't reach that level, but he's not there just yet. He's young and has all the time in the world... If he's got the insane dedication required, I'm sure he will be there someday. My initial comment was simply meant to combat statements such as "the best game ever", "omgzors" and stuff like that, which was simply out of place. Yes it's a nice game, but OMG level ? I fear not. Stop taking everything so personal... It's all for fun. I didn't mean to offend anyone. | ||
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iLjh
United States160 Posts
and i dont think incontrol was taking anything personal, i just think he was defending his friend and there's nothing wrong about that not to mention idra wasn't in korea for very long, and many of us still have high hopes for him. go idra ! | ||
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Piste
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
Fun replay, but I knew IdrA was going to win from the get-go just because of the uploader. .sigh. You know, you can post [Media] player losses every once in awhile. We won't judge. | ||
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Skew
United States1019 Posts
On May 28 2008 01:28 iLjh wrote: i agree with tomcat, especially the comment about draco. i'm pretty sure draco achieved the highest level from all those who went to korea in our recent years (excluding the crucial old schoolers) All those who went to Korea in recent years? Draco was the only one (if you say Suncow you'll make me ohhhhh so angry). | ||
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Piste
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
Sometimes it feels like he gets just a bit carried away in all that nifty rine micro and forgets to macro though. But impossible to get everything done in broodwar I guess and nice to actually see someone prefering to micro the troops already on the field. | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
On May 26 2008 16:43 Tomcat wrote: Plus Idra simply abandoning all those barracks to ling+ultra... That's 1200 minerals right there, in a moment where things weren't looking too dandy for him. I agree with that. IdrA abandoned 8 rax, a factory or two, two starports (I think) and a CC because he couldn't be bothered to lift his buildings. That struck me as quite the waste, although it was the right decision to abandon his main. | ||
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JustQuitWarcraftIII
United States679 Posts
Decent micro, stupid macro, weak multi-tasking, and shitty manner. | ||
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G5
United States2919 Posts
isn't zizi a pro or an ex-pro? either way gg~ | ||
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G5
United States2919 Posts
On June 12 2008 04:17 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote: Idra sucks dick, just like the fat cracker Zerg incontrol. Decent micro, stupid macro, weak multi-tasking, and shitty manner. lemme guess, idra beat u and called u bad and this is ur big comeback to make idra regret ever calling u bad... try again. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On May 26 2008 16:43 Tomcat wrote: Nice game, but pretty "foreign" level. Both players losing TONS of units when it wasn't necessary... Take the first batch of marines... Idra loses all of them to the first round of lurks. I don't remember seeing Nada or OOV ever rush a wall of lurkers and lose their marines like that. Zizi could have pushed it right there for the win (and any pro would have, for that matter). After having watched that part of the replay, I'm going to say this: you're an idiot. He nearly beat 8 muta, 5 lurkers, and a dozen lings with ~20 marines and ~5 medics. The zerg didn't push because he couldn't- he had like 2 lurkers and 2 muta left, and Idra had a tank and a group of marines that had just popped. Not to mention the bunker sitting there. And to say any pro would have pushed right there and then? With what? He kept his minerals pretty freaking low during that fight (he hit 500 near the very end of it), the amount of lings he could have produced off the larvae he had available wouldn't be enough to overwhelm what Idra had. That being said, the zerg did seem lost about what to do against Idra's turtling. If I were him I would have taken the three empty geysers because he was chronically short on gas the entire game and it would have given him another 30% or so. If he had done that right after clearing Idra's three bases, he might have been able to catch Idra with too few vessels to stop guardians. Even if he hadn't, it might have been enough to just switch from ultra/ling/defiler to guardian/scourge. | ||
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