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Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
August 20 2006 04:41 GMT
#1
<3 Jonathan Walsh
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
August 20 2006 04:55 GMT
#2
GG!!!!!!!


gimme more :>
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Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
August 20 2006 04:57 GMT
#3
JON WALSH PIGHTING
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
August 20 2006 06:15 GMT
#4
that was awesome! gj FA
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
August 20 2006 06:21 GMT
#5
pretty nice game indeed!
greatmeh
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1964 Posts
August 20 2006 06:34 GMT
#6
wow gg, really fun
Myxomatosis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2392 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-20 07:15:53
August 20 2006 07:04 GMT
#7
gj FA. who was the zerg (assuming he has an AKA).

oh. i looked at a site and its one of their female!? members.
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
August 20 2006 07:52 GMT
#8
On August 20 2006 13:41 Twisted wrote:
<3 Jonathan Walsh
lawl mart
Profile Joined April 2006
United States1289 Posts
August 20 2006 07:54 GMT
#9
im cuter
14cc... whats next? women voting?
Samejima
Profile Joined June 2004
Canada534 Posts
August 20 2006 08:27 GMT
#10
That was one aggressive zerg
What we call chaos is just patterns we haven't recognized yet.
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
August 20 2006 08:28 GMT
#11
as always, i am impressed by your play Mr Walsh : ]

not many can maintain focus in the face of that kind of aggression
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 20 2006 08:38 GMT
#12
On August 20 2006 16:04 Myxomatosis wrote:
gj FA. who was the zerg (assuming he has an AKA).

oh. i looked at a site and its one of their female!? members.

Most likely not the same person who's using the PGTour ID but maybe =]
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
August 20 2006 08:59 GMT
#13
nah the person using the id is a friend of the real cuty[gm]
(this is according to a friend i dunno personally)
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11584 Posts
August 20 2006 09:45 GMT
#14
That was a Good Game!
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exigent123
Profile Joined May 2006
Canada64 Posts
August 20 2006 10:30 GMT
#15
Really a great game, thanks!
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Mickey
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2606 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-20 11:41:22
August 20 2006 11:41 GMT
#16
GG. But you could of tried to harrass the zerg more -_-.
karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
August 20 2006 11:47 GMT
#17
gee-geee!
zzzzzz
exihe
Profile Joined August 2006
United States6 Posts
August 20 2006 12:03 GMT
#18
The rep version seems wrong to me with latest bw version. How do u guys watch it?
3threal[EoC]
Profile Joined June 2005
Canada388 Posts
August 20 2006 13:42 GMT
#19
--- Nuked ---
Id hit anything with an ass as big as that dress. - quote decafchicken
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6105 Posts
August 20 2006 13:44 GMT
#20
One single reaver turned the game around, when it killed the sunks at 1 near the end
#1 Terran hater
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
August 20 2006 14:10 GMT
#21
FrozenReaver!!~~ ftw
Hi
outqast
Profile Joined October 2005
United States287 Posts
August 20 2006 14:56 GMT
#22
Before a fascist admin deleted my post in the strategy forum, I had the question posted...

what do you do against a turtling toss?

The zerg had most of the map, but frozen arbiter just turtled that expansion and it didnt seem like anything the zerg did could have killed him.
Sir Alex
Profile Joined March 2004
United States159 Posts
August 20 2006 16:11 GMT
#23
It seems to me that zerg could have gone for air after he killed FA's main and stargate. Guardians might break the expansion, queens could pick off templar, mutas could mess with the reavers... maybe plague on the buildings, then tear in with cracks, or even keeping it up with the ultras.
Basically anything unusual, anything but the continual weaksauce hydra/ling drops he resorted to at the very end. When I watched the very last load of lings coming in I was shaking my head and wondering how Z could possibly think this would work.
FA seemed to have his game sense on every step of the way and just knew what would keep coming. Of course, that's just me bein crazy, Z admittedly didn't have that much gas I think. Watching his drones at his last center expo and noticing they were dying like flies to storm might also have helped.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 20 2006 18:54 GMT
#24
@Outqast and Sir Alex:

The thing about rush hour is that the the empty main and its natural is worth more than 2 of the gas/mineral expansions, and as long as you control the main, you definitely control one of the 2 mineral only expansions (zerg can't do anything to stop you from storming drones there).

If you are lucky and start at 7 and empty main is at 11 you control both mineral onlies.

So basically, as long as you can secure the empty main without too much cost, you have won.
This is because there's only 2500 gas in the secondary gas expansions, meaning if you've mined out one, zerg has already mined out his, then him taking the last one doesn't matter at all, it's not worth half of what that main is worth.

As for mutalisks, impossible with only 2500 gas expos, especially since I had like 10+++ high templars and tons of cannons for the most part. He could have made some queens tho.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-20 22:13:47
August 20 2006 22:11 GMT
#25
how do u beat a toss with 8 high templar and some reavers? i was thinking guards for a second but i see its near impossible. i better start using spawn broodling

btw gg
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20069 Posts
August 20 2006 22:34 GMT
#26
How do you watchi this rep?
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
RiSE
Profile Joined April 2004
United States3182 Posts
August 20 2006 23:04 GMT
#27
gw FA
heavy hand upon the land, feel it's weight inside you
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 20 2006 23:06 GMT
#28
On August 21 2006 07:34 decafchicken wrote:
How do you watchi this rep?
BWLauncher must be on.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
August 21 2006 01:41 GMT
#29
FA~~~ Share that Paranoid Android Replay on PGT you showed~
That was ROFL~ I finally saw it with everything running... come on~
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
outqast
Profile Joined October 2005
United States287 Posts
August 21 2006 02:15 GMT
#30
On August 21 2006 03:54 FrozenArbiter wrote:
@Outqast and Sir Alex:

The thing about rush hour is that the the empty main and its natural is worth more than 2 of the gas/mineral expansions, and as long as you control the main, you definitely control one of the 2 mineral only expansions (zerg can't do anything to stop you from storming drones there).

If you are lucky and start at 7 and empty main is at 11 you control both mineral onlies.

So basically, as long as you can secure the empty main without too much cost, you have won.
This is because there's only 2500 gas in the secondary gas expansions, meaning if you've mined out one, zerg has already mined out his, then him taking the last one doesn't matter at all, it's not worth half of what that main is worth.

As for mutalisks, impossible with only 2500 gas expos, especially since I had like 10+++ high templars and tons of cannons for the most part. He could have made some queens tho.


Yeah so in theory you have been beaten by zergs when you were in such an "advantageous" position. Besides a massive screw up by you, what strategy did the zerg use to defeat you?
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-21 03:26:24
August 21 2006 02:29 GMT
#31
Uhm, I can't think of a single game where I took both another main and its natural and then lost.

And I can barely think of a single game where a zerg took them and lost.

Well, actually 1, but I wasn't ahead so taking that main was like an effort to get back on even footing. + I'm not sure I ever took the main, might have been just the nat.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
outqast
Profile Joined October 2005
United States287 Posts
August 21 2006 04:17 GMT
#32
So In this situation, you contended won because you had advantageous resource position and you were able to sustain your army better than he could.

As an observer, it looked like you were able to defend an awful lot of units with your fortification at your natural. Upon watching the replay again, while you were defending your top expansion he constantly had 20~30 more population than you until the very end. Not to mention he mined 30,000 more resources than you. He did throw a lot of units at you, but it seems like he did little or no damage to you for the last 20 minutes. Your base just looked inpenetrable to me and that is why you won.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
August 21 2006 04:23 GMT
#33
BW launmanually DL the lastest bwlauncher -> update -> view the glory
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-21 05:22:37
August 21 2006 04:59 GMT
#34
On August 21 2006 13:17 outqast wrote:
So In this situation, you contended won because you had advantageous resource position and you were able to sustain your army better than he could.

As an observer, it looked like you were able to defend an awful lot of units with your fortification at your natural. Upon watching the replay again, while you were defending your top expansion he constantly had 20~30 more population than you until the very end. Not to mention he mined 30,000 more resources than you. He did throw a lot of units at you, but it seems like he did little or no damage to you for the last 20 minutes. Your base just looked inpenetrable to me and that is why you won.

Uhu, because the main is so much better than the rest of the map all you have to do is defend it
-, .-

If you look at first half of the rep I out supply him by more than 20-30 most likely, but can't win because his defence is too good, securing that main and playing like I did is just returning the favour.

If I had tried to pull the same defence at 5 o clock instead I would have been RAPED as I wouldn't have had any gas.

So, to summarize:
1) Controlling free main on rush hour = most important part of the map, so therefore whoever tries to take it can expect a hard fight for it.
2) I win because he failed to wrest control of 11 o clock from me.

If he hadn't attacked, yes, I would have been able to replace my units way more effeciently than him (or just made carriers, he doesn't have any gas to counter, he dies).

Also, in this game I never did control both the main and natural for any substantial amount of time, so his drops almost gave him the game.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
outqast
Profile Joined October 2005
United States287 Posts
August 21 2006 07:06 GMT
#35
So, to summarize:
1) Controlling free main on rush hour = most important part of the map, so therefore whoever tries to take it can expect a hard fight for it.
2) I win because he failed to wrest control of 11 o clock from me.

If he hadn't attacked, yes, I would have been able to replace my units way more effeciently than him (or just made carriers, he doesn't have any gas to counter, he dies).

Also, in this game I never did control both the main and natural for any substantial amount of time, so his drops almost gave him the game.


So basically, his mistake was not fortifying that expansion early enough and letting you gain a foot hold. If he had taken that base earlier and turtled it, it would have prevented you from getting to that point. Hmmmm... not really the answer to my question, but I appreciate your analysis on the game.

The reason why I keep bringing up the defense issue is as a zerg player I find a constant problem of mine is that I will get to the point of a game where I will be in an advantageous position economically and I own a large portion of the map. But for any zvt and zvp, the opponent will just turtle and I find myself having my population maxed and my units just going to waste on his defenses. Admittedly, I do not have as good control over the units as most good players, however even observers notice how I loose a footholding on games I should have won.

Well anyways, thanks for your advice on the game it was very constructive and helpful. I hope I did not waste too much of your time.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
August 21 2006 08:07 GMT
#36
there were games where it was more clear, but I officially name FA the Sim City Toss
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 21 2006 08:36 GMT
#37
On August 21 2006 16:06 outqast wrote:
Show nested quote +
So, to summarize:
1) Controlling free main on rush hour = most important part of the map, so therefore whoever tries to take it can expect a hard fight for it.
2) I win because he failed to wrest control of 11 o clock from me.

If he hadn't attacked, yes, I would have been able to replace my units way more effeciently than him (or just made carriers, he doesn't have any gas to counter, he dies).

Also, in this game I never did control both the main and natural for any substantial amount of time, so his drops almost gave him the game.


So basically, his mistake was not fortifying that expansion early enough and letting you gain a foot hold. If he had taken that base earlier and turtled it, it would have prevented you from getting to that point. Hmmmm... not really the answer to my question, but I appreciate your analysis on the game.

The reason why I keep bringing up the defense issue is as a zerg player I find a constant problem of mine is that I will get to the point of a game where I will be in an advantageous position economically and I own a large portion of the map. But for any zvt and zvp, the opponent will just turtle and I find myself having my population maxed and my units just going to waste on his defenses. Admittedly, I do not have as good control over the units as most good players, however even observers notice how I loose a footholding on games I should have won.

Well anyways, thanks for your advice on the game it was very constructive and helpful. I hope I did not waste too much of your time.

Well, hm, be gayer than him. For instance, take 5-10 lurkers, place them above ramp of empty main. Really hard to get up ;O And taking natural of empty main is useless cause can't protect cliff.

Also, if you find you lose to hidden expansions (and then turtle) often, try to do 8 ling drops and place overlords everywhere

If it's not hidden expo, you should be able to kill him unless you are not ahead ;>
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
roMAD
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Russia2355 Posts
August 21 2006 18:06 GMT
#38
Cuty[gm] = iStyle[gm], Dinner[S.O], teSteR..[gm]'s brother
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
August 21 2006 18:33 GMT
#39
Tester... aka SauL[gm] ?
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 21 2006 19:10 GMT
#40
Yes
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
MaTRiX[SiN]
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden1282 Posts
August 21 2006 22:21 GMT
#41
I thougt istyle[gm] was anytime? :S
aka StormtoSS
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 21 2006 22:26 GMT
#42
On August 22 2006 07:21 MaTRiX[SiN] wrote:
I thougt istyle[gm] was anytime? :S

No, but there was a rep of 'anytime vs nada' on nostalgia played on istyle[gm], maybe that's why you think so?
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
August 21 2006 22:54 GMT
#43
all the gm's use multiple names and share accounts so take any rep of them with a grain of salt.
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NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
August 22 2006 01:45 GMT
#44
250 HT energy would have helped! gg good job
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 22 2006 02:14 GMT
#45
On August 22 2006 10:45 NonY wrote:
250 HT energy would have helped! gg good job

Very, very true ;p

I was surprised I didn't have it when I watched rep, I dont have it down as a habit yet :<

And thx.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
August 22 2006 05:56 GMT
#46
hehe FA hero toss of tl.net

simcity toss rofl, but so true
Teamliquidian townie
pooper-scooper
Profile Joined May 2003
United States3108 Posts
August 22 2006 06:43 GMT
#47
Not corrupted for anyone else?
Good...Bad... Im the guy with the gun
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
August 22 2006 07:01 GMT
#48
Use BWLauncher with PP
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nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
August 22 2006 08:54 GMT
#49
gg 10 rating
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
pooper-scooper
Profile Joined May 2003
United States3108 Posts
August 22 2006 11:19 GMT
#50
On August 22 2006 16:01 Carnac wrote:
Use BWLauncher with PP


My GOD, I just read the daggon thread, I guess I should have done that before posting.
Good...Bad... Im the guy with the gun
ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2983 Posts
August 23 2006 00:48 GMT
#51
Gosu control and ability to handle drop pressure. Some storms were art too ! great game
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
August 23 2006 01:20 GMT
#52
Late game reaver are so imba =(
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-23 08:38:57
August 23 2006 08:38 GMT
#53
On August 22 2006 07:54 HungZerg wrote:
all the gm's use multiple names and share accounts so take any rep of them with a grain of salt.
So when I thought I played istyle i could have played some other dude in gm... Ohwell it was still a nice game. Too bad that replay dissappared when my disc crashed last year or so..
Also it's really annoying to have to get bwlauncher to watch a rep.. And try to firure what reps will be bugged and blesh
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
August 24 2006 07:23 GMT
#54
Awsome game FA. It took a lot of concentration and patience to pull that out. Your units control is really improving, you dont see many goons get 23 kills in pvz very often.

I thought mid game you could have been more aggressive when your pop was +30 over him. His defense was good but I kept expecting you to pressure it a bit. Your end game was great, it really showed you were thinking ahead rather than just reacting.

Yeah I kept checking your temps for +energy too
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CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
August 24 2006 22:03 GMT
#55
very nice game. i never realized the extra main was worth more than twice the other expansions with min only nats. changed my thinking about rh3.
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
pooper-scooper
Profile Joined May 2003
United States3108 Posts
August 25 2006 03:38 GMT
#56
Very very nice. One of those games that afterwards you are like, "I won that game.??!?"
Good...Bad... Im the guy with the gun
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
August 25 2006 06:23 GMT
#57
FA is hawt.

Period.

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Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3811 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-26 00:37:18
August 26 2006 00:34 GMT
#58
never fucking mind
For the Swarm!
In)Spire
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1323 Posts
August 26 2006 00:55 GMT
#59
Wow VERY GG.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
August 29 2006 14:43 GMT
#60
FA has to be the only P who has a FAR superior PvZ to his PvP lool.
Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
September 05 2006 06:13 GMT
#61
--- Nuked ---
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
September 05 2006 17:22 GMT
#62
lol terrible protoss
Team Liquid
nitram
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada5412 Posts
October 29 2006 08:51 GMT
#63
haha ret
These sites might be of more use than a StarCraft site, where the majority of posters look on WCIII as the dense misformed fetus produced during Blizzards latest miscarrige.
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