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SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-26 07:10:41
January 26 2005 07:09 GMT
#1
that was one very long replay

great use of the arbiters and dark archons to chip away blackmaster's units, and the hallucinations were cool as well
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Kaotu
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States986 Posts
January 26 2005 07:26 GMT
#2
it was loooooong

at like 20 minutes you realize only 1 bar of the replay progress is passed... you know that x16 is not fast enough.

I have no idea why Dunaj had such an amazingly strange desire to win this game. He made it work, amazing use of protoss spells. But really, I don't think oov would have played that game out had it been an OGN finals match. Why in the world did Dunaj want to win that badly.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
January 26 2005 07:27 GMT
#3
Who are these players?
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seeyoulater
Profile Joined June 2004
970 Posts
January 26 2005 07:31 GMT
#4
couple of polish gamers, i think.
vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
January 26 2005 07:32 GMT
#5
Dunaj is a good Polish player, I dunno the Blackmaster guy.


And holy shit that was some pimp play, Dunaj has the patience of a rock. :D

I loved how he lured the archons with the arbiter, then MC'd them and teleported them out.
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karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
January 26 2005 07:37 GMT
#6
very pimp play by dunaj indeed.. also this must be one of the longest replays out there?
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51447 Posts
January 26 2005 07:38 GMT
#7
blackmaster went to wcg 2004 for brazil i think?
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1Rush
Profile Joined November 2004
United States37 Posts
January 26 2005 07:40 GMT
#8
Pimpest Play 2005 yaya?
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Taguchi
Profile Joined February 2003
Greece1575 Posts
January 26 2005 07:42 GMT
#9
wow
very very nice
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
January 26 2005 08:03 GMT
#10
i bet blackmaster would pwn the shit out of hovz
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Cygnus
Profile Joined February 2004
United States845 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-26 08:37:02
January 26 2005 08:36 GMT
#11
that was sexy!

...so who wants to RWA this in normal speed? ^_^
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 26 2005 09:06 GMT
#12
damn...... I think I developed 2 forms of 5 o'clock shadow watching that
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Nal_Testie
Profile Joined April 2004
Canada1257 Posts
January 26 2005 09:09 GMT
#13
On January 26 2005 18:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
damn...... I think I developed 2 forms of 5 o'clock shadow watching that


rofl
The fact that we have flamethrowers means at some point someone said to himself - Gee I sure would like to set those people on fire over there but im just not close enough to get the job done, if only I had something that would throw the flame on them
pheered.user
Profile Joined March 2003
United States2603 Posts
January 26 2005 09:11 GMT
#14
Wow, just wow.
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Blind
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States2528 Posts
January 26 2005 09:18 GMT
#15
On January 26 2005 18:11 pheered.user wrote:
Wow, just wow.


Yeah, my response exactly.
ubergamer15
Profile Joined January 2005
United States645 Posts
January 26 2005 10:23 GMT
#16
My god, I see what Kaotu means about the one bar thing. I looked at it when a hour had gone by and went "wtf? no way!". Anyway, yes, amazing game, though I don't understand why BlackMaster didn't just surrender under all that... There's no WAY I could've sat there for 2 hours and just watched my units be stolen . Hat's off to this dunaj guy, verrry sexy playing.
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camel
Profile Joined January 2005
Austria3 Posts
January 26 2005 11:47 GMT
#17
why didnt blackmaster just halo some units let them get MC'ed to waste the spells of Dunaj and then rush out of the base and kill those 2-3 dark archons ... i mean 3 stolen units VS darkmasters victory - why not? too bad you cant get any units just with vesp.gas ... blackmaster got like 35k in the end ... ^^ and i think darkmaster could have easily won if he had not tried to rush the last ext. of blackmaster and waste 15000 mins or so against photons and psi ...
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LoveMePlz
Profile Joined September 2004
Italy330 Posts
January 26 2005 12:02 GMT
#18
Dunaj is the best,that is why he's SoL :D
lalalalal :D
radiaL
Profile Joined August 2003
Andorra2690 Posts
January 26 2005 12:12 GMT
#19
not a lot of replays around like this
and i dont mean length
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gg2w
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada118 Posts
January 26 2005 12:56 GMT
#20
Is it just me or isn't it supposed to be impossible to recall arbiters, seems like that happened a few times that game. Maybe there was a patch that I missed.

Also seems like feedback would have been useful long before either player ran out of cash.

Pretty cool rep nonetheless.
pheered.user
Profile Joined March 2003
United States2603 Posts
January 26 2005 13:06 GMT
#21
I have only ever seen one pvp in which all 3 of the following were used. Arbiters, Hallucination, Dark archons.

And I played in it, and lost
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ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
January 26 2005 13:53 GMT
#22
Patience......
I had to 8x through the last 1 hour and 40 min.
Those huge battles of Zeals, Goons, Temps, and Archons were very cool to watch. I slowed those down to normal speed whenever one occured. Lots of psi storm!!
hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
January 26 2005 14:42 GMT
#23
someone make an rwa
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Pafnucy
Profile Joined October 2002
Poland1124 Posts
January 26 2005 16:21 GMT
#24
On January 26 2005 21:02 LoveMePlz wrote:
Dunaj is the best,that is why he's SoL :D


Dunaj is the best, why the fuck he's SoL?

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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13005 Posts
January 26 2005 18:15 GMT
#25
I was watching this rep thinking; "what a boring ass turtle battle, this better have a good finish".

And it most certainly did.

Amazing play from Dunaj!
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koehli
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany350 Posts
January 26 2005 23:17 GMT
#26
OMG OMG.

I have to admit this was fascinating in some sick and disgusting way.
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operator_GoS
Profile Joined November 2004
29 Posts
January 27 2005 02:03 GMT
#27
it was like a singleplayer puzzle, "buy now"" 2-4 hours of thinking&solving garuanteed ^^
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
January 27 2005 02:08 GMT
#28
That's a good comparison. It was like a puzzle. Both were given certain amounts of units without the ability to build any more. Dunaj's objective was to force a check-mate, Blackmaster's - to force a stalemate.

I think blackmaster could have frustrated Dunaj's attempts if he attacked the arbiter at bottom left. Several times Dunaj had an arbiter and an archon or 2 inside slowly poking at the base. Arbiters were so important to Dunaj's victory, and overall are immensely powerful units, and goons with 3:3:3 kill arbiters quick. Blackmaster had about 5 goons at one point but was afraid to attack the arbiter. He could have easily kept the arbiter out of his base. Without freedom to use arbiters, Dunaj could not have won
Konni
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany3044 Posts
January 27 2005 02:53 GMT
#29
At about one and half an hour i wonderd why both players were constantly building zealots/goons instead of templars/arbiters. They must've known that they would run out of minerals some day ~
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-01-27 03:47:02
January 27 2005 03:46 GMT
#30
man, in that game, dunaj's arbiter + recall in DA, mind control, second arbiter recall out is pretty much unstoppable if you do it fast
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TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
January 27 2005 03:55 GMT
#31
all respect to these players...when there are no minerals on the map left...who the fuck builds dragonos and zealots instead of dark archons, templers and arbiters...hey maybe even a speed shuttle reaver...i dont really like the new generation players that dont know how draw games occur and what units are price efficient and cruisal in those moments, "build build , attack attack" isnt always the solution
Bergkamp ftw!
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
January 27 2005 03:56 GMT
#32
also dunaj had 6000 minerals at one point against like 2000...its a wonder that he almost lost the game
Bergkamp ftw!
EchoOfRain
Profile Joined November 2004
United States516 Posts
January 27 2005 05:43 GMT
#33
On January 26 2005 21:56 gg2w wrote:
Is it just me or isn't it supposed to be impossible to recall arbiters, seems like that happened a few times that game. Maybe there was a patch that I missed.

Also seems like feedback would have been useful long before either player ran out of cash.

Pretty cool rep nonetheless.

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[CS]Pablo
Profile Joined September 2002
Brazil338 Posts
January 27 2005 07:17 GMT
#34
these guys are just plain sick...
There is a catenoid of idempotents in the coquaternion ring
LoveMePlz
Profile Joined September 2004
Italy330 Posts
January 27 2005 07:23 GMT
#35
On January 27 2005 01:21 Pafnucy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2005 21:02 LoveMePlz wrote:
Dunaj is the best,that is why he's SoL :D


Dunaj is the best, why the fuck he's SoL?


funny guy :p
lalalalal :D
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
January 27 2005 08:29 GMT
#36
On January 27 2005 12:55 TreK[cF] wrote:
all respect to these players...when there are no minerals on the map left...who the fuck builds dragonos and zealots instead of dark archons, templers and arbiters...hey maybe even a speed shuttle reaver...i dont really like the new generation players that dont know how draw games occur and what units are price efficient and cruisal in those moments, "build build , attack attack" isnt always the solution


As my friend and I have concluded long ago, in long drawn-out games, energy units decide the outcome. It all comes down to energy units!
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pooper-scooper
Profile Joined May 2003
United States3108 Posts
January 27 2005 10:12 GMT
#37
Yes blackmasters patience actually mastered Dunaj's because there was no possibility of victory... rediculous.
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Kimmural
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1111 Posts
January 27 2005 13:50 GMT
#38
Really long rep

Teroru and i had alot to talk about for that amount of time lmao
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ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
January 27 2005 17:31 GMT
#39
Holy crap that was boring. The actual game was decent with these two guys throwing mass units at each other, but the 2 extra hours where nothing really happend except Dunaj doing the same tricks over and over again .. ugh.
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[G]Max_Power
Profile Joined January 2003
Slovakia304 Posts
January 27 2005 18:58 GMT
#40
moderately amusing
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Liquid`RaSZi
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands2766 Posts
January 27 2005 20:12 GMT
#41
On January 26 2005 21:02 LoveMePlz wrote:
Dunaj is the best,that is why he's SoL :D


ow ur italian .. that makes u not biased at all..
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SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
January 27 2005 20:50 GMT
#42
On January 28 2005 02:31 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
Holy crap that was boring. The actual game was decent with these two guys throwing mass units at each other, but the 2 extra hours where nothing really happend except Dunaj doing the same tricks over and over again .. ugh.

on the contrary, i thought the game was insanely boring up until both players realised that they couldnt throw mass units at each other anymore.
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Famouzze
Profile Joined June 2004
971 Posts
January 27 2005 21:21 GMT
#43
this game annoyed me because blackmaster totally threw the game away, he could've killed dunaj's base so easily then he ran back to his own for some reason and just sat there for an hour, wtf??
raidern_br
Profile Joined November 2002
Brazil610 Posts
January 27 2005 22:26 GMT
#44
blackmaster said that sometimes in the game he alt tabed and went away for a long time
lol i dont want to watch some 3hours game hehe
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
January 28 2005 01:42 GMT
#45
I have enormous respect for the way Dunaj handled this situation. His creativity was simply amazing and only very few people could have displayed what he did here when being put in the same situation.

He did it well and did it with style. I don't mind the replay length so much, at x4 I found it very entertaining (usually I watch replays at x2).
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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
January 28 2005 04:25 GMT
#46
I agree with naz. Even though they both could been smarter like TreK pointed out.
vaj
Profile Joined November 2004
Germany327 Posts
January 28 2005 06:47 GMT
#47
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InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
January 28 2005 15:12 GMT
#48
Games like that are what makes BWs hands down the greatest RTS game of all time. That dude recalled, mind controled, and recalled the units back so fast you could hardly see it sometimes. P
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16986 Posts
January 29 2005 00:17 GMT
#49
I've only had one draw game, and it was a 1.5 hour long on Bifrost ZvT. I consumed lots of Overlords and Plagued, and while I was waiting for Broodling to finish I'd grab a book and start reading

I won the game by the way.
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NuclearAntelope
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1369 Posts
January 29 2005 00:28 GMT
#50
i get memories of nazgul's draw game vs hellghost when watching this rep
people are similar in nature. its the experience of life that makes them so different.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
January 29 2005 02:31 GMT
#51
Holy shit.

First of all, Dunaj deserves a great deal of respect for showing the spirit of a true gamer and fighting to win right until the end, rather than giving up because it was a tedious or slow process . Blackmaster also deserves some respect for not TOTALLY going afk or abandoning the game. The end result: a fantastic and one-of-a-kind replay.

That said, many of Dunaj's tricks were simply stunning. And chances are, he came up with most of them right there, on the spot. That takes real creative genius . I was totally expecting the game to end in a draw, but as Dunaj started stealing units and then using hallucination to kill cannons off one by one, I realized that he could actually win this O_O. And he did .

At least Blackmaster didn't totally give the game away: he used some tricks of his own that forced Dunaj to be very meticulous with his unit contrrol and to come up with even more brilliant strategies.

Trek's comments apply very well to Blackmaster: he continued making goons and zealots for a long time, whereas Dunaj realized much earlier that the game was headed for a no-mineral situation and consequently he was making almost entirely HTs while Blackmaster was still using zeal/goon.

In my opinion, this replay illustrates the most beautiful part of Brood War: the highly creative use of units and strategies to win, played out in realtime.
SoL.Origin
Profile Joined September 2003
Argentina2400 Posts
January 29 2005 15:46 GMT
#52
i wasnt gonna watch this but then i read about the recall+mind control thing... sigh now ill watch a 3 hour long rep... wish me luck rofl

btw maybe the recall+mc thing and boxer's tank+scv move vs pusan should be included in pp2005?
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NeverTheEndlessWiz
Profile Joined November 2003
Singapore827 Posts
January 29 2005 17:39 GMT
#53
lol i wondered if they really took breaks in between the game to rethink their strats + rest
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HowitZer
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1610 Posts
January 31 2005 12:55 GMT
#54
In the old ums map quickthink I used to be protoss and mind control an scv and then recall it out to get another 200 units of terran. Seeing that same strat used in a real melee game was pretty cool.
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Resonate
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8402 Posts
January 31 2005 17:03 GMT
#55
watched the entire thing at x16, but worth it!!!
Memory lane in nice
FalliNinLove
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Slovakia865 Posts
February 04 2005 04:20 GMT
#56
Respect , i really tought it was impossible to win that... really good patience creativity and skills
I think he killed like 100 units in supply without loozing simle unit and gaining some :D... finally some really nice skills
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
March 04 2005 11:50 GMT
#57
Dunaj could've won early on, twice. Yeah of course I can see that Blackmaster has a low unit count, but the first two battles Dunaj won handily, then he doesn't kill off an expo, and just retreats...
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IronCross
Profile Joined March 2005
Netherlands15 Posts
April 08 2005 18:45 GMT
#58
o m g this replay is very very long^^
Yenku
Profile Joined April 2005
United States6 Posts
April 20 2005 08:10 GMT
#59
Dunaj is good, but did you know the other player was afk towards the end of the game? For minutes at a time.

Lol, I have a friend with the last name dunaj from poland.
Ekii
Profile Joined September 2005
Poland346 Posts
November 25 2005 20:34 GMT
#60
200minutes , Gosh!
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Freezer_au
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Australia1461 Posts
February 01 2006 00:26 GMT
#61
corrupt
Scarab_Dodger
Profile Joined August 2004
Romania11 Posts
February 22 2006 03:50 GMT
#62
On February 01 2006 09:26 Freezer_au wrote:
corrupt


I watched the replay with the 1.10 version of brood war and it works fine ..... Just make 2 starcraft folders, one with the curent patch for playing on b-net and one with the 1.10 for watching old replays
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