EPTDo you like the new Super-Ace PL Format? - Page 3
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disciple
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Already we've had two events with daft things happening. First CJ lost day1 then one player won 3 out of the 5 required games on day2. Then Oz won day1 and had effectively already sealed the match. All the normal day2 matches were irrelevant. If they wanted to stretch it over two days they could have come up with something cleverer. Maybe a Bo7 (7 different players) on day1. Then a Bo5 and a Bo3 if needed on day2. Or even some sort of points system where the later games are worth more. | ||
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QibingZero
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
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omninmo
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
the entire season is bo5, teams are built around this. it should be bo3 bo5. maybe bo5 bo5 for the final. | ||
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
I hope they keep doing this ;D | ||
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Iaaan
Canada578 Posts
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On August 03 2009 05:16 Klive5ive wrote: No, it's a terrible format with very little thought going into it. Already we've had two events with daft things happening. First CJ lost day1 then one player won 3 out of the 5 required games on day2. Then Oz won day1 and had effectively already sealed the match. All the normal day2 matches were irrelevant. If they wanted to stretch it over two days they could have come up with something cleverer. Maybe a Bo7 (7 different players) on day1. Then a Bo5 and a Bo3 if needed on day2. Or even some sort of points system where the later games are worth more. Disagree. With the previous format, CJ would have lost on Day 1 flat out. This current format allowed CJ a second shot at equalizing the sets at one a piece on Day 2, which they did. However, in the "tiebreak" game, CJ failed to capitalize like they did vs. Khan. That doesn't mean Day 2 matches were irrelevant. Those matches helped get CJ to Super Ace. Anyways, I think the current format is aight. Not as exciting as one day play, but it does have its own allure. More games = Good. Although I do seem to believe that the format does favor a team with a big Super Ace card (Jaedong/Bisu) over solid all around teams (CJ/STX). While depth is nice, all one team really needs to do is drag it to Ace on one day, win that and they're guaranteed a Super Ace. Pull out your Super Ace to secure a victory. It's a decent format. People just bitch about it because they like to find something else to blame for their favorite team's loss. | ||
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
On August 03 2009 02:07 3 Lions wrote: I liked the old playoff format. A way to make this format more fair imo is to make the scores aggregate. Say, for example (this is not real, lol), CJ beats MBC 4-3 on the first day, and MBC wins 4-2 on the second day, it should not come down to a super ace because MBC would win the aggregate score 7-6. However, if it is 7-7 or something, then there should be a super ace. But then why should the aggregate score count when it stops after one team gets 4 wins - if you are using aggregate all 7 games should be played. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
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sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
1: Having 2 Bo7s allows teams to more reasonably come from behind and show their mettle. Thus making for more exciting games. 2: Having 2 Bo7s allows one team that is truly dominant to show it by winning both. Hasn't happened yet. 3: Having a Super Ace deciding match makes for more excitement. Remember: if you're getting a Super Ace, you've already had some back-and-forth between the days. Basically, it makes the playoffs that much more interesting. Look at how exciting the CJ vs. Khan game was. The second set saw things get as bad as they possibly could for CJ, but they put their balls down and pulled out a win. And while many people will look at Effort playing 3 times as a downside, Effort would only have gotten to play once if 3 other members of his team hadn't stepped up. Watching a team get curb-stomped isn't interesting. Personally, if you want to fix something in the playoffs, then do it in a proper bracket style, not this crap where the #1 ranked team only has to play one match to win. If you must, give the upper ranks a 1-week bye, not this 2-3 week crap. A team should not be able to win the playoffs by only playing one match. I find that to be far more offensive to good play than the current format. | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
People complain because every team that has lost so far has won one BO7 and so their fans think they would have had a "better" chance with a different system (obviously better than losing which is what happened). This format creates the single most intense game possible in SC ... a once a YEAR match that decides everything! | ||
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On August 03 2009 07:06 Roffles wrote: It's a decent format. People just bitch about it because they like to find something else to blame for their favorite team's loss. Word. All those people blaming the format for Oz > CJ just sound like butthurt CJ fans. Before the match everyone was preaching on and on about CJ's depth and Jaedong Oz etc etc but Hwaseung actually wins a Bo7 4-1 with Perfectman > Iris and Backho > Snow and Hiya > Movie. IMO Oz definitely deserved to advance as they played really well the first day and even then Skyhigh/Effort/Iris still had a chance to snipe JD in the super ace. And Effort's ridiculous performance vs Khan in day 2 was definitely pretty much the same thing. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
On August 03 2009 04:04 Hot_Bid wrote: Well, its not really about the % of games played, its about chance to win the entire set In a normal Bo7 Oz has to win 2 out of 5 non Jaedong games to get it to ace so Jaedong can win. In this new format, they still have to win 2 out of 5 non Jaedong games, but they have two tries to do it. If they do this on either Day 1 or Day 2, then they get a super ace that Jaedong plays. However, just because its easier for Oz doesn't mean its a worse format. 2 Bo7s is better than one, and the super aces are some of the most intense, insane games I've ever watched. How is getting two tries easier than getting one? Aren't the chances of better players winning greater the more games are played? If they were just doing a normal BO7 they would still have to win an entire match. The difference here is that even after they win that one they still need to win the other or take the ace match down. So if they lose they still need to win a BO7. But the problem lies int he fact that OZ has less of a chance of actually winning a BO7 than both CJ and SKT1 because they have only one solid threat as opposed to the tripple threat of SKT1 right now (not counting Best) or the extremely well rounded CJ that imo has atleast 4 worthy aces. Imo the only reason CJ lost to OZ is due to overwork because they are so far into the leagues. OZ members (except Jaedong) only has proleague right now. I'm not sure if you're arguing that this format is better for OZ than one BO5 or than one BO7. BO5 is obviously better for OZ no matter how you view it. If it were only one BO7 it would be like it is now but with less risk for SKT1 to fall to OZ snipers who devote 100% of their time into taking out one player at one map. Now atleast they have to practise for more matchups. | ||
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