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On June 02 2009 21:00 Verilan wrote:
I'm not so sure Bisu v. keke was poorly played. Every move Bisu did (fast expo, zealot push, sair/goon push, zealot counter) forced keke to torpedo his own economy to keep up. If keke followed the suggestion of apparently every C+ on TL to find a time to econ up and make a hydra switch, he would have been incredibly wrecked with how aggressive Bisu was being.
That being said, I'd probably put JD over Bisu just because JD's month has been so impressive and by the slightest margin, more impressive than Bisu's even though both seem to putting up such unsustainable results.
Bisu took a totally unnecessary risk and almost screwed it up. I call it poor play.
On June 02 2009 23:20 tree.hugger wrote: Kwanro's 0-2 loss to ZerO kinda erases his magnificent OSL group win. Also, his loss to UpMaGiC in proleague was kinda pathetic. That said, I have no idea who else would be in the tenth spot.
Kwanro had to play 7 games within 3 days, Zero had time to prepare. I also think that players don't take GOMTV3 that serious anymore, cause a few teams, including the big team, don't participate.
Stork lost to a no-name-player, Jangbi lost to a close-to-no-name-player, even JD almost failed vs. a player who isn't even known by his own mum.
JD and Stork looked very solid in the other games they played lately.
This leads me to the conclusion that it's very probable that players put most of there Effort (no pun intended) in the other SLs and Pro League.
The loss vs. UpMagic is a different thing, I think he was outplayed by a very good player.
imo UpMagic is one of the most underestimated players out there. In terms of creativity he's one of the 10 best players of all times, but due to his relatively poor mechanics and lack of micro he can't show it.
Nevertheless his playing style makes him a very dangerous opponent for every player out there (and also VERY ENTERTAINING. If every SC-player in the world played as boring as Leta I wouldn't watch it anymore).
I don't say that Kwanro is a top player yet, but he is in both league and definitely on the rise.
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His up-and-down-game vs. Lomo also shows that he's able to come back from disadvantageous positions.
On June 04 2009 01:27 AzureEye wrote:
Players who have achieved dominance before and more often should receieve the benefit of the doubt. I'm not saying Jaedong has had more dominance than Bisu because from my view, they are about equal in terms of skill and status but these two, if in one month they each win 5 games and loses 1, should be ranked higher than someone like Skyhigh who wins 6 games and 0 losses (For example)
I agree with this one, this method makes the PR far more authentic. Even Bisu only got the 2nd spot in 2007 after the greatest upset in SC history by far.
There Violet shoudn't be too high yet.
On June 04 2009 04:41 pandabearguy wrote:Much #9. I know, I know. He's starting to play like good Much again though. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/142_MuchHis PvZ is above 50% for the first time in his career and he's a key to CJ's proleague success.
Though he's one of my favorite players I have to tell you the truth about Much's PvZ: it's bad.
The reason why it's over 50%, is that he plays players like Roro, Falcon, Sacsri (damn.. who??), Rumble, Yellow and Firefist nowadays, instead of Jaedong and July.
He also is only in one league and I don't see him carrying his team in PL, the "keys to CJ's proleague success" are Kwanro and even more Skyhigh and Effort.
But the most important reason for not putting him on the PR is, that he doesn't beat good players. Last time he beat a 'good' player was in March (Flash) and the second last time, well... July in septembre.
Just watch who Iris did beat since then...
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On June 04 2009 07:26 Polar_Bear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2009 21:00 Verilan wrote:
I'm not so sure Bisu v. keke was poorly played. Every move Bisu did (fast expo, zealot push, sair/goon push, zealot counter) forced keke to torpedo his own economy to keep up. If keke followed the suggestion of apparently every C+ on TL to find a time to econ up and make a hydra switch, he would have been incredibly wrecked with how aggressive Bisu was being.
That being said, I'd probably put JD over Bisu just because JD's month has been so impressive and by the slightest margin, more impressive than Bisu's even though both seem to putting up such unsustainable results. Bisu took a totally unnecessary risk and almost screwed it up. I call it poor play.
Bisu took a totally unncecessary risk, almost got screwed, put himself behind by a ton, and then was like "Screw you Bitch, I'm Bisu, and you are Zerg. I win." And then the other guy got raped. It was poor play by Bisu putting himself into the hole he got into, but it was also great play by Bisu getting out of the hole he put himself into.
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Bisu is humiliating all zergs atm, I'm sure he will beat JD if they play right now, but Jaedong has been the better all-rounder last month
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On June 04 2009 07:31 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2009 07:26 Polar_Bear wrote:On June 02 2009 21:00 Verilan wrote:
I'm not so sure Bisu v. keke was poorly played. Every move Bisu did (fast expo, zealot push, sair/goon push, zealot counter) forced keke to torpedo his own economy to keep up. If keke followed the suggestion of apparently every C+ on TL to find a time to econ up and make a hydra switch, he would have been incredibly wrecked with how aggressive Bisu was being.
That being said, I'd probably put JD over Bisu just because JD's month has been so impressive and by the slightest margin, more impressive than Bisu's even though both seem to putting up such unsustainable results. Bisu took a totally unnecessary risk and almost screwed it up. I call it poor play. Bisu took a totally unncecessary risk, almost got screwed, put himself behind by a ton, and then was like "Screw you Bitch, I'm Bisu, and you are Zerg. I win." And then the other guy got raped. It was poor play by Bisu putting himself into the hole he got into, but it was also great play by Bisu getting out of the hole he put himself into.
Sounds like Jaedong vs Jjonga game 3.
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On June 04 2009 07:34 disciple wrote:
Bisu is humiliating all zergs atm, I'm sure he will beat JD if they play right now, but Jaedong has been the better all-rounder last month
People said that before the gom special match too.
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On June 04 2009 07:40 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2009 07:34 disciple wrote:
Bisu is humiliating all zergs atm, I'm sure he will beat JD if they play right now, but Jaedong has been the better all-rounder last month People said that before the gom special match too.
and what happened ? Bisu defeated JD in WL and the day after fucked himself in game 5 of the series. Remember, Bisu is not  han to rape Jaedong wherever he sees him
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The point is that it's not a very good idea to use Jaedong vs P and Bisu's vs Z to predict the outcome of a match between them. Jaedong's vP is very volatile, but can also be the best in the world. That's why his vP looked shaky before the GOM match, but he still stood toe-to-toe with Bisu. Likewise, playing zergs and playing Jaedong is very different for Bisu. Honestly, most of his zerg opponents have been crap, so the steamrolling that Bisu gives them won't happen vs Jaedong. Just like at Flash, when he slumps, he rapes every mediocre player, but that isn't an indication of how well he'll do vs top gamers. It's a whole different ballpark.
Remember their game on Andromeda? Yeah, Bisu was slumping mad then but for that one shining game, he looked really good.
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On June 04 2009 07:40 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2009 07:34 disciple wrote:
Bisu is humiliating all zergs atm, I'm sure he will beat JD if they play right now, but Jaedong has been the better all-rounder last month People said that before the gom special match too.
Really?
According to this thread on TL for that, 56% of people expected a Jaedong Victory.
edit: Bisu has recently beaten Calm, Effort, Zero, and nearly every other "big" Zerg name out there, other than Jaedong or July. It isn't like he has been only playing scrub zergs.
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On June 04 2009 08:01 Avidkeystamper wrote:
The point is that it's not a very good idea to use Jaedong vs P and Bisu's vs Z to predict the outcome of a match between them. Jaedong's vP is very volatile, but can also be the best in the world. That's why his vP looked shaky before the GOM match, but he still stood toe-to-toe with Bisu. Likewise, playing zergs and playing Jaedong is very different for Bisu. Honestly, most of his zerg opponents have been crap, so the steamrolling that Bisu gives them won't happen vs Jaedong. Just like at Flash, when he slumps, he rapes every mediocre player, but that isn't an indication of how well he'll do vs top gamers. It's a whole different ballpark.
Remember their game on Andromeda? Yeah, Bisu was slumping mad then but for that one shining game, he looked really good.
shh I'm trying to troll on him
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On June 04 2009 08:10 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2009 07:40 SuperArc wrote:On June 04 2009 07:34 disciple wrote:
Bisu is humiliating all zergs atm, I'm sure he will beat JD if they play right now, but Jaedong has been the better all-rounder last month People said that before the gom special match too. Really? According to this thread on TL for that, 56% of people expected a Jaedong Victory. edit: Bisu has recently beaten Calm, Effort, Zero, and nearly every other "big" Zerg name out there, other than Jaedong or July. It isn't like he has been only playing scrub zergs.
Most of his zerg opponents (besides) Effort and Calm are mediocre in ZvP. But my point wasn't trying to say he's not good or anything. That's just fact.
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1) Bisu : No reason to bump him down from the previous #1 spot. Him and Jaedong are playing fantastic games, and unless i see Bisu faltering dramatically i see no reason to bump him down.
2) Jaedong: Also playing fantastically. Leading the PL in kills, and the second player in history to reach 100 PL wins is a strong achievement. However the games that JD has won has looked just as impressive as the games Bisu has won. These two are tied for #1, and everyone knows it.
3) Leta: This kid is playing some scary ass starcraft. He took apart the 2 port wraith and turned it into a fucking WRECKING BALL. He's keeping Hite's playoff hopes alive, and with a 5-2 record vs Zerg in R5, Leta is once again the PL monster.
4) Effort: Many in TL are calling Effort the second coming of Jesus Zerg aka maestro aka GOD aka Savior. Effort is playing FLAWLESSLY. CJ is riding on his as well as SkyHigh and Iris's play. Took a look at FPL lately? Guess who leads in points? You got it~ Effort is playing trememdously and if it weren't for the three monster's above him, i would be calling the second zerg bonjwa right here and now
5) Fantasy: He's playing SOLID SOLID SOLID. His vs P is air-tight and his TvT's flawless. His vs Zerg is a Da Vinci (as long as he is not going mech) SKT is riding on his and Bisu's play, and he is not dissapointing.
6) SkyHigh: Great player. I LOVE LOVE LOVEEE Skyhigh. I became his fan after watching his GOM S2 set vs BeST. SkyHigh is playing great starcraft, albeit a little sloppy. Once he matures more as a player, i think this kid will go on a wrecking spree.
7) Violet: the only reason why this kid is so low is because everyone above him is just too damn good. Violet, the second coming of the mantoss has been raping shit up in the PL. Going a perfect 8-0 in R4 Including a win over Bisu himself, this kid has shown massive balls of steel. His PvZ leaves something to be desired but after watching him rape the FUCK out of Hyun, all of my fears were dissuaded. This kid will kick up a storm mark my words.
and i quit after 8
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no flash? are you serious?
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On June 04 2009 08:55 Tyxiquale wrote:
no flash? are you serious?
GAH FUCK
Flash would prolly be ... 8..
or 7..
GAH FUCK
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dammit flash
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Flash...picked a really bad month to play bad. Just when a bunch of younger players ALL decided to turn on hack.
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is it really that difficult for us, the Bisu fans, to take deep breath and to say that JD has been more impressive that our beloved hero last month? I mean, yeah KTY dropped 2 games in total but Jaedong is looking so fucking scary right now, I have no problem admitting that, he must be #1 in the next PR.
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1. JD
2-3. Bisu
2-3. Effort
then leta, flash, violet is great lately.
That's how it should be, unless some bisu fan pulls a troll job
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Seeing as Bisu's best matchup is PvZ according to himself, and Jaedongs worst matchup is ZvP according to his play this year I think Bisu might have better odds at a bo5 unless Jaedong is on God mode which he sometimes is.
Thread of awesomeness
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Stork is undefeated since the last Power Rank and has stomped on  Flash, free, and some other good players. It looks like he is back from getting lazy again so I think he's should be somewhere between 7 and 10 if he keeps it up.
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I don't know where Flash should go, but he has been much more aggressive than usual in his last 3 games after losing with his usual passive play against Stork and Jangbi. I think he's finally starting to be less predictable, which is great for him since it is his greatest weakness. He can certainly execute more aggressive strategies well when he attempts them.
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No Jaedong vs Bisu unless its the Ace Match 
Jaedong gets to beat an SKT1 Failzerg.
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