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Power Rank 05/15/2009 - Page 34
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StylishVODs
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
You're basically assuming that Bisu will win any additional games, which may be true, but we don't know, that's guesswork. Jaedong is slightly favored over Bisu for #1 right now, but it's pointless at this time since the PR will be out after SKT vs Oz anyways. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Obviously everyone is hoping for a Jaedong vs Fantasy match and a Jaedong vs Bisu ace as that'd be quite possibly the most epic series possible, but not sure it's gonna happen. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
Anyway, SKT1 did go like 8-3 last round, compared to Oz going 6-5. I don't remember how many times both went to Ace (and won), but SKT1 did win more than Oz last round, due to a better overall team (until someone on Oz steps up to help Jaedong). I will be VERY disappointed if SKT1 vs Oz contains a Jaedong vs Failzerg game. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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SerpentFlame
415 Posts
On June 03 2009 09:49 Dazed_Spy wrote: 2-1 against Jjonga was this PR. Jjonga is bad. Jaedong's 7-1 record since the last PR has been against scrubs, excluding great and Leta [calm is no scrub, but his zvz is, obviously]. Bisu's opponents were not the cream of the crop either. All I am saying is, that this PR, Jaedong and Bisu have not shown anything different than they did the last PR. Jaedong and Bisu are still more than one step above everyone else, and they continue to bash down on low level to high level players. Nothing suggests either ones momentum or abilities has changed significantly since the last PR. The reason I brought up Jjonga is simply that: Jaedong's zvt is fan-fucking-tastic. His zvz the best in history. His zvp is, like last month, capable of beating bad to mediocre players, yet oddly, seems capable of losing to them as well. I'm not convinced that ATM Jaedong is as well rounded as Bisu. This is an extremely hard statement to make/properly justify given that they are only playing some games in PL. There is little opportunity to prove themselves either way. And unfortunately, unless Jaedong can prove hes better, hes stuck at 2nd [in my opinion]. They are different. The reason Jaedong got moved down from PR 1 after the OSL crown is because he lost to scrubs like Ganzi[3.33], one of the bottom ranked ELO players in the whole league, in a semi-straight up fashion in the MSL, and then led Oz to a shaky beginning to the Proleague that month. Hence he got moved down. He is no longer droppipng to scrubs like Ganzi in KesPa tournaments. Yes Jjonga is a CJ B teamer who has a losing record in the minor league, but losing a game to him in the GOM, a tournament which gamers not surprisingly put much less priority on, doesn't hurt either Oz (like losing proleague games does) or his own chances in the Gom; as long as he doesn't show this play in either the proleague or the OSL, there's really not that large of a knock on Jaedong. "Sticking the status quo until Jaedong shows something great" isn't really legitimate, because the reason Jaedong got moved down is because of a small lapse in his play, a lapse he's closed up nicely . I also really don't see why you think his ZvP is only capable of beating bad to mediocre players, when he completely obliterated the protosses he won against (and did not play any top tier Protosses in recent memory). Also, I know this is late, but On June 02 2009 11:44 Avidkeystamper wrote: Erm, he followed a pre-planned build order. Every single pro can do that. I can assure you no pros make a mistake following an early-game build order. Tell this to Yellow[ArnC]'s 5pool followups, Kal's recent vZ builds (vs Hyuk and vs Shinekal), Stork's missing dragoon range, or BackHo[WHITE] | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On June 03 2009 15:19 SerpentFlame wrote: They are different. The reason Jaedong got moved down from PR 1 after the OSL crown is because he lost to scrubs like Ganzi[3.33], one of the bottom ranked ELO players in the whole league, in a semi-straight up fashion in the MSL, and then led Oz to a shaky beginning to the Proleague that month. Hence he got moved down. He is no longer droppipng to scrubs like Ganzi in KesPa tournaments. Yes Jjonga is a CJ B teamer who has a losing record in the minor league, but losing a game to him in the GOM, a tournament which gamers not surprisingly put much less priority on, doesn't hurt either Oz (like losing proleague games does) or his own chances in the Gom; as long as he doesn't show this play in either the proleague or the OSL, there's really not that large of a knock on Jaedong. "Sticking the status quo until Jaedong shows something great" isn't really legitimate, because the reason Jaedong got moved down is because of a small lapse in his play, a lapse he's closed up nicely . I also really don't see why you think his ZvP is only capable of beating bad to mediocre players, when he completely obliterated the protosses he won against (and did not play any top tier Protosses in recent memory). Also, I know this is late, but Tell this to Yellow[ArnC]'s 5pool followups, Kal's recent vZ builds (vs Hyuk and vs Shinekal), Stork's missing dragoon range, or BackHo[WHITE] Well Jaedong losing to Ganzi while he is bad , you have to take note the map was byzantium and it is imbalanced against zergs also Ganzi didn't play bad that game Nal_Ra said he was playing the game of his life . Also in early May when the power rank was still in the process of being made Jaedong wiped the floor with ganzi and his other opponent Docktor_K was it ? He also wiped the floor with Movie in Gom whom he lost to in PL . So i don't think lowering him to fourth place after losing a few games was reasonable especially to players who are weaker then him like Zero and Fantasy who he beat in the OSL finals in the same month . | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
They are different. The reason Jaedong got moved down from PR 1 after the OSL crown is because he lost to scrubs like Ganzi[3.33], one of the bottom ranked ELO players in the whole league, in a semi-straight up fashion in the MSL, and then led Oz to a shaky beginning to the Proleague that month. Hence he got moved down. He is no longer droppipng to scrubs like Ganzi in KesPa tournaments. Yes Jjonga is a CJ B teamer who has a losing record in the minor league, but losing a game to him in the GOM, a tournament which gamers not surprisingly put much less priority on, doesn't hurt either Oz (like losing proleague games does) or his own chances in the Gom; as long as he doesn't show this play in either the proleague or the OSL, there's really not that large of a knock on Jaedong. "Sticking the status quo until Jaedong shows something great" isn't really legitimate, because the reason Jaedong got moved down is because of a small lapse in his play, a lapse he's closed up nicely So basically what you are saying is, if Jaedong plays well, #1 on the Power Rank is his by right, regardless of how well others may be playing? Following your Logic, people were only ahead of Jaedong last month because Jaedong played a few bad games. If you are actually saying something like "Jaedong playing better than Bisu right now", sorry for misunderstanding, I can understand that reasoning (even if I don't agree), but otherwise >_> edit: Jaedong's OSL win was fresh for the April PR, not the May PR. Post-OSL, Fantasy was just playing better, that's why he was higher for May. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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disciple
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Jonvvv
Norway1530 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On June 03 2009 23:25 Jonvvv wrote: s2 will crush JD! srs I bet jaedong fears Thezerg! | ||
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disciple
9070 Posts
I doubt but I bet his mentor is HyuK | ||
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Jonvvv
Norway1530 Posts
nope, definetly  MuMyung | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On June 03 2009 15:44 Sentenal wrote: So basically what you are saying is, if Jaedong plays well, #1 on the Power Rank is his by right, regardless of how well others may be playing? Following your Logic, people were only ahead of Jaedong last month because Jaedong played a few bad games. If you are actually saying something like "Jaedong playing better than Bisu right now", sorry for misunderstanding, I can understand that reasoning (even if I don't agree), but otherwise >_> edit: Jaedong's OSL win was fresh for the April PR, not the May PR. Post-OSL, Fantasy was just playing better, that's why he was higher for May. Players who have achieved dominance before and more often should receieve the benefit of the doubt. I'm not saying Jaedong has had more dominance than Bisu because from my view, they are about equal in terms of skill and status but these two, if in one month they each win 5 games and loses 1, should be ranked higher than someone like Skyhigh who wins 6 games and 0 losses (For example) | ||
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pandabearguy
United States252 Posts
My list: I don't know who I'd put at #1. Bisu, i guess. No real reason to move him. 13-2 since getting knocked out of batoo, with losses to rising star violet (8-0 in proleague, ro16 in gom, have you seen this guy play) and great's sick neo medusa center hatch build. Jaedong is back to his beastly self and should be at number #2, easily. Aside from losing a game in gom to sucker jjonga in his typical LWW fashion, Jaedong hasn't dropped a game since april. Effort at #3 because my goodness how about effort he is on a tear. 18-2 in his last 20. Violet at #4. See above. Flash at #5, I suppose. He's playing well and doing his best to keep KTF afloat, along with violet. Skyhigh at #6, He's CJ's go-to terran and now that the hype from WL finals has worn off, it's pretty clear that he's an all-around solid player. Leta #7, another month of ripping apart proleague for shin sang moon. Fantasy #8. Not a particularly solid month, and a whole bunch of other players have done better. However, he's fantasy. We know he's good. Much #9. I know, I know. He's starting to play like good Much again though. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/142_Much His PvZ is above 50% for the first time in his career and he's a key to CJ's proleague success. Stork #10, I guess. Consistently solid stork is putting up consistently solid results. No surprise there. CBNC: Zero. There's no question that he's a good player, but outside of GOM, he hasn't won a game in three weeks, and three of them have been against zergs, (!) and one against light. Upmagic is showing that creative Up style, but he's not in the top 10 yet. Not CBNC: Luxury. Man Luxury what are you doing. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
The thing with jaedong is that he always wins his game so their team gets to ace! | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On June 04 2009 06:01 StylishVODs wrote: One thing to think about when arguing that Jaedong has more wins because he gets to play more acematches is that if Bisu didn't lose to violet, he would probably have played another acematch aswell. The thing with jaedong is that he always wins his game so their team gets to ace! They had nearly exactly the same winning percentage in round 4. Bisu went 9-2, Jaedong went 9-3. Kinda unfair to Bisu, implying that Jaedong "always" wins his games, while Bisu doesn't. | ||
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