EPTand lol man I just realized Bisu is the only protoss in the PR. Man wtf happened to all the protoss players?!
Power Rank 05/15/2009 - Page 12
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Ideas
United States8140 Posts
and lol man I just realized Bisu is the only protoss in the PR. Man wtf happened to all the protoss players?! | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On May 16 2009 03:18 tfeign wrote: The power rank is NOT about who has the best last month in Starcraft. If that's what you solely use to determine players in the power rank, then you are wrong again. It's almost comical that you're willing to speak in such absolute terms about the underlying premise for something that you did not write. Here's a proposition: I wrote this Power Rank, and that gives me the right do determine what it is based on (within reason). You've come into this thread, claimed the Power Rank is based on criteria which differ from the criteria which I had in mind when I wrote it, and then criticized my ranking based on your claimed criteria. Do you realize how ridiculous that is? Here's an exaggerated example to help: I decide to rank gamers according to the sexiness of their haircuts. You come along and tell me that my PR is garbage because gamers should be ranked according to the sexiness of their wardrobes, and then proceed to criticize my ranking based on the fact that the 4th-ranked player has a sexier wardrobe than the 3rd-ranked player. | ||
Chill
Calgary25986 Posts
So basically, we need Bob or Zatic or R1CH to rename them to Fantasy, Flash, and TheZerg. | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On May 16 2009 03:27 Chill wrote: I can't edit the names, I can only add new players with different names and link them back to the same TLPD page, if you get what I'm rambling about. My worry is that the PR will interprit these two sets of players different and screw up the Last/Change fields. So basically, we need Bob or Zatic or R1CH to rename them to Fantasy, Flash, and TheZerg. OK, I follow. Yeah, it really would be nice to clean up how this list looks on the frontpage. Oh and hear that, Thezerg objectors? You now have another reason to want him off the PR..."Calm" or "by.great" would be much easier on the eyes  | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
You're doing this completely differently from the way Steve usually does and that does feel a bit jarring. Can't change a Power Rank, though, so I guess I'll cope. I believe you're wrong and it looks almost incendiary for incendiary's sake to put Zero over Jaedong (just look at Zero's entry, eee), because I don't think anyone in the world could rightly say anyone but Jaedong is the king of zergs, but that doesn't seem to be close to your criteria. Can't fight City Hall. | ||
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
On May 16 2009 03:24 JWD wrote: It's almost comical that you're willing to speak in such absolute terms about something which is clearly subjective and you have absolutely no control over. Here's a proposition: I wrote this Power Rank, and that gives me the right do determine what it is based on (within reason). You've come into this thread, claimed the Power Rank is based on criteria which differ from the criteria which I had in mind when I wrote it, and then criticized my ranking based on your claimed criteria. Do you realize how ridiculous that is? Here's an exaggerated example to help: I decide to rank gamers according to the sexiness of their haircuts. You come along and tell me that my PR is garbage because gamers should be ranked according to the sexiness of their wardrobes, and then proceed to criticize my ranking based on the fact that the 4th-ranked player has a sexier wardrobe than the 3rd-ranked player. The criteria of the PR has never been in question. I'm telling you that solely and exclusively using the last month of Starcraft results alone to determine players in the power rank is not how it should be. It has never been what the PR is, and it will never be accepted by readers. People want to know the who are the best players, that's why the PR was created, and the only reason why the PR was created. The PR was not made to list who has the best stats in the last month of Starcraft. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On May 16 2009 03:33 tfeign wrote: The criteria of the PR has never been in question. I'm telling you that solely and exclusively using the last month of Starcraft results alone to determine players in the power rank is not how it should be. It has never been what the PR is, and it will never be accepted by readers. People want to know the who are the best players, that's why the PR was created. The PR was not made to list who has the best stats in the last month of Starcraft. lol, dude, seriously? I've only been paying attention to teamliquid for about half a year, but I can tell you that the criteria of the PR has always been in question for every single one of those days that I've payed attention to it. I mean, seriously just check like, January and February of this year and July of last year and the comments on them. This (the TL in general, not this month specifically) power rank clearly falls into the "slightly subjective ranking of good progamers that the ranker feels like writing about" category of power ranks. Sure, this makes it more controversial, but it's ultimately more fun and interesting than something that is point driven like Kespa rankings where there is nothing that needs to be said about the ordering as the numbers speak for themselves. | ||
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tedster
984 Posts
On May 16 2009 03:29 TwoToneTerran wrote: because I don't think anyone in the world could rightly say anyone but Jaedong is the king of zergs, but that doesn't seem to be close to your criteria. Can't fight City Hall. No one is saying that and you're absolutely blind to this fact. You are coming off as ignorant and incendiary, and while it's great that you choose to make your arguments without any regard for what the other side says it would still be nice if you'd tone it down a bit and at least pretend to pay attention to what people are laying out. Power Rankings have nothing to do with who is the "KIND OF ZERG" or any of that pointless crap. Yes, we know JD is the all-around best zerg in the game these days, that's no surprise and it doesn't change from month to month. What does change is which zerg is playing the most aggressively, displaying the best game sense, doing the most with the current map rotation, elevating his game time after time, and winning the most important games. And if you're arguing that has been JD in the last month or so, you're objectively lying. ZerO is the zerg who is playing the best RIGHT NOW, and this should be apparent to anyone who has been watching games. Power Rank is not a measure of the best record, or most tournament wins or who is on the best team (thezerg, watch your 10th place rank closely), it is a measure of who is playing the very best in the time leading up to the ranking. Just because most of the games between rankings have been PL doesn't mean the results don't matter - hell, if they didn't, the old PR would still be in effect and we'd only get an update 2-3 times a year. | ||
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revoluti0nX
United States61 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On May 16 2009 03:33 tfeign wrote: The criteria of the PR has never been in question. I'm telling you that solely and exclusively using the last month of Starcraft results alone to determine players in the power rank is not how it should be. It has never been what the PR is, and it will never be accepted by readers. People want to know the who are the best players, that's why the PR was created, and the only reason why the PR was created. The PR was not made to list who has the best stats in the last month of Starcraft. Watch your absolutes. I am not "solely and exclusively using the last month of SC results alone", and I've already covered that several times. Just saying "the PR was created because people want to know who the best players are" is too simplistic. You need a timeframe - otherwise, every PR would include Boxer, Savior, and iloveoov ("the best players" ever). Because the PR is a monthly affair, the natural thing to do is to set that timeframe to one month. Once again: that's not to say, though, that I think results from previous months should be totally ignored - just substantially downplayed vs. more recent results. I'm obviously aware that I don't have the reputation of, say, Mani or FS here at TL. This only furthered my desire to slightly change the PR's basis - while Mani or FS might be able to get away with posting the PR as what they think the results of a Bo99999 ladder between every pro SC player would look like (not that they have, this is a hypothetical for argument's sake), I surely wouldn't. Nobody wants to read "some guy"'s opinion of who the scariest progamers are right now, so to make the PR informative and relevant I figured I would need to make its focus a bit more concrete. By stressing recent results I feel like I made the PR worth reading, if only as a refresher on the major trends in individual skill over the past month of SC. Whether you disagree with my rank, I think you have to concede that it would have been a hell of a lot less useful if I wrote it with less focus on recent results and more on my abstract sense of "who is better" at SC right now. | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
Though maybe tfeign would like to see ChOJJa up there? I largely agree with this rank, though I feel Jaedong gets shortchanged somewhat. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 15 2009 13:14 Plexa wrote: Everyone around here knows that I am probably the largest anti-fan of Hwaesung on the planet, and probably top 10 anti-jaedong. But even I cannot understand how Jaedong slips from #1 to #4 in the space of a month. What exactly has Jaedong done to slip this far? Well he lost a game to Ganzi, Movie, fantasy and Hyvaa while destroying everyone else in existence. Indeed, he destroyed Ganzi in their next encounter, and finished movie off in the next two game. Jaedong's play as of this exact moment is as sharp as ever and I would expect him to defeat Fantasy and Zero (and probably bisu) on any given day of the week based off their current skills. Bisu hasn't done anything too fantastic to claim #1, just won his proleague games bashing a bunch of average gamers (bar leta and zero) in games that weren't exactly spectacular. Fantasy has done nothing really to claim #2 - losing to Calm and Hogil and beating a bunch of scrubs (and Jaedong). And as much as I love Zero, in no way is he deserving of being called #3 at this point - he's probably top 5, but top 3 is a bit too much. Imo 1) Jaedong 2) Bisu 3) Fantasy 4) Zero This is actually the best post in the entire thread. I think Plexa should try making the PR next time so that it'd actually make sense. | ||
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Wurzelbrumpft
Germany471 Posts
hes just extremeley lucky he didnt run into any terran yet in any league | ||
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revolover
Canada134 Posts
I agree with ZerO's placement. His OSL games were amazing, AND he's solid in PL | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On May 16 2009 03:44 tedster wrote: ZerO is the zerg who is playing the best RIGHT NOW, and this should be apparent to anyone who has been watching games. no he's not. I`m not goin` into any more details coz it's useless  | ||
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JohnBall
Brazil1272 Posts
Maybe we should just leave Bisu on spot number 1 as default since he doesn't have to do anything to be there. | ||
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imperfect
Canada1652 Posts
On May 16 2009 04:50 JohnBall wrote: Worst power rank ever! Maybe we should just leave Bisu on spot number 1 as default since he doesn't have to do anything to be there. why? i thought this was a decent PR. There's really no OSL or MSL performances to go by as its still in its early stages where there's still a lot of players that are being weeded out. it should be based on proleague, and bisu has been doing pretty good there. i was a bit surprised with fantasy though and zero over jaedong | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
Zero over Jaedong??? | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On May 16 2009 04:50 JohnBall wrote: Worst power rank ever! Maybe we should just leave Bisu on spot number 1 as default since he doesn't have to do anything to be there. lol HUGE Oz troll On May 16 2009 04:58 Crunchums wrote: I haven't read this thread and I'm sure infinity people have already said this, but: Zero over Jaedong??? well then read the thread | ||
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Insaniae
Norway1 Post
Lets be honest. The real Power rank is: 1. Bisu / Jaedong Long Long nothing Fantasy Long nothing ZerO And again: On May 15 2009 13:14 Plexa wrote: Everyone around here knows that I am probably the largest anti-fan of Hwaesung on the planet, and probably top 10 anti-jaedong. But even I cannot understand how Jaedong slips from #1 to #4 in the space of a month. What exactly has Jaedong done to slip this far? Well he lost a game to Ganzi, Movie, fantasy and Hyvaa while destroying everyone else in existence. Indeed, he destroyed Ganzi in their next encounter, and finished movie off in the next two game. Jaedong's play as of this exact moment is as sharp as ever and I would expect him to defeat Fantasy and Zero (and probably bisu) on any given day of the week based off their current skills. Bisu hasn't done anything too fantastic to claim #1, just won his proleague games bashing a bunch of average gamers (bar leta and zero) in games that weren't exactly spectacular. Fantasy has done nothing really to claim #2 - losing to Calm and Hogil and beating a bunch of scrubs (and Jaedong). And as much as I love Zero, in no way is he deserving of being called #3 at this point - he's probably top 5, but top 3 is a bit too much. Imo 1) Jaedong 2) Bisu 3) Fantasy 4) Zero Just think FakeStivie. Are you sure you would bet on Fantasy playing vs Jae? I will take the bet if you want. | ||
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