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On April 08 2009 00:44 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2009 00:40 disciple wrote:
ah again the double standard... You see JD lost 0-3 to ForGG for the MSL final and got outed from the OSL prelims by han in straight games, for that he was given the #2 spot the next month. I know I've already said this, but I will post it again and again. Some ppl are just looking for a reason to drop Bisu out as soon as possible He was #2 since no one else played better, I mean the other SL winner was July, who ezed his way through protoss that couldn't PvZ. Luxury faced much harder opponents, so it's not the same situation. Also, JD made the finals, Bisu lost in the semis. However, it's not that Bisu's dropping, but more that other players are rising.
yeah, you are making good points but most of the ppl here are just saying Bisu is screwing up badly, and for that doesnt deserve to be in #3. Luxury indeed faced much harder competition than our beloved Tushin, but its still nothing compared to Storks run last season or even the opponents fantasy had to face to become a runner-up this OSL. Fantasy is arguably the only person who can pull out a 3-0 over Bisu atm, and even looking at the overall performance of the players for the last month I can barely find valid point for Lux to be over KTY. If we look back again to this same PR with ForGG on the top, even Flash was in front of July back than. Its a fact that this MSL was an upset-fast with all 3 bonjwa candidates getting outed pretty early, so basically Lux didnt face anyone from the magictrio (bisu,flash,JD) to get his title.
Here is the simple summery of Bisu's "awful performance" last month:
-sniped by HoeJJa in WL with unorthodox borrow strat on Destination (Remember skyhigh vs JD on the same map?)
-3-0d by a teammate in the very first televized match against him.
-Losing in the PvZ all stars match against Savior
(if you bring up the last point thou you must still bring into consideration his all-kill against the terrans)
By all means this was not a month any progamer should be ashamed of. KTY made huge impact in the WL due to his performance and literally carried SKT to the playoffs.
JangBi completely skipped WL and lost in the finals again... I dont see why some ppl say he had a better month than KTY
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he'll either be 3rd or 4th and maaayyybe 5th
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All kill WeMadeFox+getting to the OSL semi finals
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getting to the MSL finals
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On April 08 2009 00:55 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2009 00:44 Avidkeystamper wrote:On April 08 2009 00:40 disciple wrote:
ah again the double standard... You see JD lost 0-3 to ForGG for the MSL final and got outed from the OSL prelims by han in straight games, for that he was given the #2 spot the next month. I know I've already said this, but I will post it again and again. Some ppl are just looking for a reason to drop Bisu out as soon as possible He was #2 since no one else played better, I mean the other SL winner was July, who ezed his way through protoss that couldn't PvZ. Luxury faced much harder opponents, so it's not the same situation. Also, JD made the finals, Bisu lost in the semis. However, it's not that Bisu's dropping, but more that other players are rising. yeah, you are making good points but most of the ppl here are just saying Bisu is screwing up badly, and for that doesnt deserve to be in #3. Luxury indeed faced much harder competition than our beloved Tushin, but its still nothing compared to Storks run last season or even the opponents fantasy had to face to become a runner-up this OSL. Fantasy is arguably the only person who can pull out a 3-0 over Bisu atm, and even looking at the overall performance of the players for the last month I can barely find valid point for Lux to be over KTY. If we look back again to this same PR with ForGG on the top, even Flash was in front of July back than. Its a fact that this MSL was an upset-fast with all 3 bonjwa candidates getting outed pretty early, so basically Lux didnt face anyone from the magictrio (bisu,flash,JD) to get his title. Here is the simple summery of Bisu's "awful performance" last month: -sniped by HoeJJa in WL with unorthodox borrow strat on Destination (Remember skyhigh vs JD on the same map?) -3-0d by a teammate in the very first televized match against him. -Losing in the PvZ all stars match against Savior (if you bring up the last point thou you must still bring into consideration his all-kill against the terrans) By all means this was not a month any progamer should be ashamed of. KTY made huge impact in the WL due to his performance and literally carried SKT to the playoffs. JangBi completely skipped WL and lost in the finals again... I dont see why some ppl say he had a better month than KTY
well said... altough FS might have decided to skip this month, so our discussion mihgt be pointless
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On April 07 2009 17:54 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
POWER RANK IN T-MINUS 7 HOURS
16 HOUR WORK DAYS CANNOT STOP ME FOREVER
FUCK YOU SCORCH, NO POWER RANK CAN EQUAL MINE. YOU WILL WAIT.
=[ -2 hours and counting
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On April 08 2009 00:40 disciple wrote:JangBi completely skipped WL and lost in the finals again... I dont see why some ppl say he had a better month than KTY
For the record I think Bisu > Jangbi on this PR, but is it really that hard to see where people are coming from? I mean, I think the argument goes something along the lines of:
Jangbi made the MSL finals, and making the finals > not making the finals
Bisu won 0 medals at the end of the month, and getting 3-0'ed in a matchup that he had previously seemed untouchable in is still getting 3-0'ed, regardless of whether it's his teammate or not.
Again, I still think that Bisu should be above JangBi, but I don't see how it's at all difficult to see where people are coming from. 1 MSL Silver > 0 medals.
Please stop with all the double standard stuff with the Jaedong month stuff too. If you wanna bust that out vs. FS after this rank, go for it, but the people you're arguing with here don't necessarily agree with Jaedong being ranked 2nd that month either.
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On April 08 2009 00:40 disciple wrote:
ah again the double standard... You see JD lost 0-3 to ForGG for the MSL final and got outed from the OSL prelims by han in straight games, for that he was given the #2 spot the next month. I know I've already said this, but I will post it again and again. Some ppl are just looking for a reason to drop Bisu out as soon as possible
he kept #2 since first off, he fuckign 3-0ed flash in gom, lost 0-3 in MSL FINALS. did bisu make it to any finals? hell no. flash was butt fucked by forgg also. he deserved the #1 spot, and he got it that month. jaedong kept #2 because he still made it to the finals of two leagues, one kespa sanctioned, the other not. he still played really well up until the FINALS and then dropped games to his teammate and dropped a rank. you had best and july in the OSL finals that really didn't display any strength on best's part, and july won because best fucking blows at p v z. july made it to the finals in z v p only, there was hardly z v t for him to play that season. (sorta like casy's run to his osl win, no fucking tosses lol)
but yeah. bisu fucking shouldnt be above fantasy when he got demolished by him. plus fantasy played well throughout his osl. also, bisu fucking failed in WL where it mattered.
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I kinda agree, JD's situation was completely different from the situation in which bisu is right now.
+ there were months when I didn`t understood why the fuck wasn`t Jaedong ranked higher..buy yeah.
If ur trying to say that FS is more biased towards JD, you're wrong.
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Yeah, saying Bisu should be over Fantasy after being 3-0'd by his teammate would be like saying back when Forgg won the MSL, Jaedong should've been ranked over him after being 3-0'd by his teammate, which isn't true and isn't what happened.
edit: ALSO SEVEN HOURS IS UP BY A LONG SHOT
SO MAD FAKESTEVE, SO MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD >:
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On April 08 2009 05:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:
edit: ALSO SEVEN HOURS IS UP BY A LONG SHOT
SO MAD FAKESTEVE, SO MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD >:
Yeah. I quit my job today so I wouldn't miss the release of the new PR. This is what I get?
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I love how ppl keep dodging the fact that JD got outed by han back then... it simply doesnt matter who buttfucked who in the finals, since JD skipped half of the next season because of his underperformance in the OSL prelims.
The 1 Msl silver > 0 medals argument is ridiculously meaningless when it comes to PR, see Kal's ranking after his loss to JD, BeSt was #7 after his OSL finals as well, the list goes on. I mean it will be very logical to say JangBi achieved more than bisu, but as a matter of fact he played really bad, and besides the 3-0 rape vs stork there is absolutely nothing for him to mention. Ofc the situation of Bisu and Jaedong is different, it can never be the same. I've said nowhere in my posts that Bisu should be above fantasy or that he performed better than him in the last month.
But the fact is JD kept his extremely high ranking till the point when it became undeniable and obvious that he cant ZvT as he used to. Flash is the same thing.
Can you honestly say that Luxury was scarier and looked stronger than Bisu in the last month?
I sware if it was Jaedong or Flash in Bisu's position right now, they would've taken the #2/3 spot right away. And I'm so sure because it happened like 20 times already
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I run a small business. I have deadlines and I give my employees deadlines. If they dont meet the dealines, they get reprimanded. If they are a week late, they get punished. If they are a week late and say "Sorry mate ill get it in tomorrow morning" and then proceed not to: I FIRE THEIR FUCKING STUPID ASS!!!!!! Teamliquid, if you wanna look professional, get a professional
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On April 08 2009 07:18 NeX wrote:
I run a small business. I have deadlines and I give my employees deadlines. If they dont meet the dealines, they get reprimanded. If they are a week late, they get punished. If they are a week late and say "Sorry mate ill get it in tomorrow morning" and then proceed not to: I FIRE THEIR FUCKING STUPID ASS!!!!!! Teamliquid, if you wanna look professional, get a professional
They aren't a professional site. You aren't paying them. No one is. I am mildly perturbed by the statements made by Fakesteve saying he would get it done and then nothing happens, but then I realize that I'm on a forum talking about starcraft and I just laugh and go on to something else.
But lol @ the "I run a small business" line. Reminds me of the little kiddies I see that post on the WoW forums.
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yea, seriously people, FS doesn't owe you anything. TL leaves him doing this because more people are happy with it than are pissed about it, so w/e, as long as people are satisfied with their free, well-written and entertaining PRs, I see no reason to change. If you can seriously get more than 20 people who give 2 shits about their unofficial FakeSteve Power Rankings being a week late I'd be surprised.
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On April 08 2009 08:08 TwoToneTerran wrote:
But I'm so mad.
But then you realize that this happens every month so it shouldn't be a surprise. At least he's consistent at being inconsistent. If he keeps on schedule, it'll come out in two days.
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okay, i can see the argument for fantasy over bisu, and even luxury over bisu (though it's flawed). but jangbi over bisu is just lol
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On April 05 2009 12:06 Shikyo wrote:
Sample size: The Whole Month. it's PR, not Kespa rankings.
"i don't understand the concept of sample size"
i also don't understand why you keep saying "4 game losing streak" like it means something. he's 1-4 in his last 5 official games (you know, you pretty much have to count the win because it happened on the same day as the loss).
and this is what i'm responding to. 4 losses in 5 games means very little. it's highly unlikely bisu is any worse now than when he was considered a borderline "bonjwa" candidate. as avidkeystamper said, it's not whether or not bisu dropped much: it's who surpassed him. jaedong, obviously so. luxury, fantasy...well we'll see. jangbi, haha, no.
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On April 08 2009 07:18 NeX wrote:
I run a small business. I have deadlines and I give my employees deadlines. If they dont meet the dealines, they get reprimanded. If they are a week late, they get punished. If they are a week late and say "Sorry mate ill get it in tomorrow morning" and then proceed not to: I FIRE THEIR FUCKING STUPID ASS!!!!!! Teamliquid, if you wanna look professional, get a professional
lol
The Power Rank has ALWAYS come out late. I'm curious about it too, but you have to realize that this site is run by volunteers. You want TeamLiquid to fire Fakesteve? "Sorry, but due to the untimely nature in which you write your columns, we will no longer accept all the shit you contribute for free."
Enjoy your inevitable ban.
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On April 08 2009 08:28 traced wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2009 12:06 Shikyo wrote:
Sample size: The Whole Month. it's PR, not Kespa rankings. "i don't understand the concept of sample size" i also don't understand why you keep saying "4 game losing streak" like it means something. he's 1-4 in his last 5 official games (you know, you pretty much have to count the win because it happened on the same day as the loss). and this is what i'm responding to. 4 losses in 5 games means very little. it's highly unlikely bisu is any worse now than when he was considered a borderline "bonjwa" candidate. as avidkeystamper said, it's not whether or not bisu dropped much: it's who surpassed him. jaedong, obviously so. luxury, fantasy...well we'll see. jangbi, haha, no.
I do understand the concept of sample size, but for PR we can't just use the games played during the last 2 years... it's monthly for a reason. 4-game losing streak means that he's lost 4 games in a row instead of won some, unlike Jangbi.
And no, I don't have to count the win, simply because a win isn't part of the losing streak. And when I say "4-game losing streak" it by itself included that he won the game played before those 4 games. Learn what a losing streak means.
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