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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
April 06 2009 20:01 GMT
#581
I'd honestly say put Skyhigh up below the obvious top 5 (All finalists and Bisu's generally good record) at #6. None of the others have done much, even if they're all still beasts. Skyhigh, essentially, won a championship by himself, even if it isn't as important as OSL and MSL, so I'd put him right under all the top showers in OSL/MSL (with the exception of by.hero, who wasn't even on the rank before and since, even though playing well, didn't do much. Admittedly, no one expects a good showing when your next big match is ZvZ vs Jaedong).
Remember Violet.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-06 20:14:23
April 06 2009 20:08 GMT
#582
"Didn't Bisu completely destroy Luxury during his game with him in the OSL?" No that was Yarnc

"Besides, if you had to choose a player to win against someone else in a Bo5, would you *really* choose Luxury over Bisu? Really???"
Yes since Luxury gets a lot of wins from cheesing Bisu and it worked two times to date. Plus this is a best of five and Luxury is really good at rush builds and he boasts a positive record against Bisu. However, this is irrelevant since we are talking about performance this month and not speculative Bo5s which should NEVER be used as the basis for an argument on the PR
Sorry, I wouldn't choose Luxury over Bisu in a Bo5, but there's no denying Luxury outclassed Bisu in performance in every regard except the OSL, which is arguable since at least he took a game off Fantasy. Again though, Placement on the PR does not depend on speculative Bo5s.
Jaedong
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
April 06 2009 20:09 GMT
#583
On April 07 2009 04:53 LxRogue wrote:
#2 is the only logical spot for Luxury. Maybe you could argue that Bisu is still ahead of him, but i wouldn't agree.

Flash? He has done nothing, he should either stay at 5 or drop to 6.

Fantasy? He played some great games, but i don't think he should just shoot to #2 given his somewhat inconsistent play.

My rank would be:
1. Jaedong
2. Luxury
3. Bisu
4. Fantasy
5. Jangbi
6. Flash
7. Stork
8. By.Hero
9. Leta
10. Skyhigh

Bisu/Fantasy placement is tough, and could go the other way. Spot 9 and 10 are also hard to fill.


I would always disagree with such a high placement of Luxury, because I dont like his style, especially his ZvP, no matter how effective he is I dont consider him a good player in this MU. But all in all I'm totally with on your PR picks, in fact I would only switch Lux and fantasy...but I guess it would be irrational
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
April 06 2009 20:13 GMT
#584
Yeah, I don't really think it's a matter of who you like, otherwise Stork would never be on the list, ever.

I mean I could say I hate Jaedong more than anyone who plays right now. Maybe I just despise Mutalisks, but that doesn't mean Jaedong doesn't deserve to be No. 1. He's got the results and the title to back it up, just like Luxury.
Remember Violet.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-06 21:54:43
April 06 2009 20:16 GMT
#585
6-10 this month is silly.

I think sKyHigh has to 6 because he's the only player after the top 5 with any notable wins in games that actually mattered.

For the month, here are the records of the other players that are commonly in 6-10 on personal lists:

Flash: 3-3 (4-4 with race battle)
by.hero: 3-4
Stork: 4-6 (7-8 with race battle)
Leta: 2-1 (no games since March 2...)(5-2 with race battle)
NaDa: 2-4
sKyHigh: 5-0 (including GOM vs. Rage + Show Spoiler +
7-1
)

I understand that how the games played and who they were against and stuff needs to factor in too, but results are results and after the top 5, sKyHigh's the only one with anything worth talking about.
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latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-06 20:30:17
April 06 2009 20:23 GMT
#586
I vaguely recall FakeSteve saying something about the criteria for Power Rank being based on who you would most want to have in a BoX series. Maybe my memory's failing me, but then what exactly is the criteria?

Also I wouldn't put too much (edited: stock) in Luxury taking a game from Fantasy while Bisu didn't. History has shown matchups between teammates are highly unpredictable and based on somewhat different factors than normal matchups.
Moo
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 06 2009 20:29 GMT
#587
Luxury and Fantasy played 4 times this past month and split 2-2 (Fantasy won 2-1 in OSL, Luxury took Fantasy out in Winner's League playoffs), so uh... yea... not only would I put money on Luxury taking games off Fantasy, he already has
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
April 06 2009 20:41 GMT
#588
On April 07 2009 05:23 latent wrote:
I vaguely recall FakeSteve saying something about the criteria for Power Rank being based on who you would most want to have in a BoX series. Maybe my memory's failing me, but then what exactly is the criteria?

Also I wouldn't put too much (edited: stock) in Luxury taking a game from Fantasy while Bisu didn't. History has shown matchups between teammates are highly unpredictable and based on somewhat different factors than normal matchups.

That was Manifesto's subjective ranking for February.
Jaedong
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-06 20:47:49
April 06 2009 20:46 GMT
#589
On February 02 2009 10:19 Manifesto7 wrote:
First of all, I will be writing the Power Rank this month as Steve is busy with his real life obligations. (Travel safe buddy). I am posting this today, a mere two weeks after the last PR, to get the column back on a monthly schedule.

Because there has only been two weeks, there have not been many games played. So, consider this a "mini-PR", focusing on recent Winners League performances and my own interpretation of things.



How I choose to calculate the Power Rank may be slightly different than how others have done it. Bear with me while I explain my thought process.

Imagine you are walking down the street when suddenly time and space rips open, sucking you into the vortex of an alternate universe. In this universe, there exists only you, Darth Vader, and the Korean progamers. You brace for the inevitable neck squeeze when you discover to your relief, the force does not work here.

You and Vader have a sit-down. It is obvious that the universe is only big enough for one of you. You decide to each choose one progamer to represent each other for one game, with the loser being killed and cast into oblivion.

The Power Rank consist not of the top ten who you would choose to play for you, but the top ten scariest opponents that Lord Vader could choose to end your life and suck your soul.

Good Luck.


That's the manifesto quote...

I dunno, that one's kinda funny to me cause that PR had Leta on top, and honestly, I think that that particular PR seemed more results based than others (still loved it, I just don't really think it was really following it's own criteria cause well... what evidence was there that Leta was more scary than Jaedong or Bisu at that point?)
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stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
April 06 2009 21:23 GMT
#590
skyhigh fended off a 5 pool then beat 3 people that you would expect him to beat on a good day.

I wouldn't put him in top 10.
hi
animus123
Profile Joined January 2009
United States171 Posts
April 06 2009 21:29 GMT
#591
On April 07 2009 06:23 stroggos wrote:
skyhigh fended off a 5 pool then beat 3 people that you would expect him to beat on a good day.

I wouldn't put him in top 10.

why not include him in the 6-10 range? I agree about not putting him in the top 5 but 6-10 is full of blah players. You can make a (weak)case for flash/stork and maybe a few others ahead, but at least skyhigh put up some results.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 06 2009 21:32 GMT
#592
On April 07 2009 06:23 stroggos wrote:
skyhigh fended off a 5 pool then beat 3 people that you would expect him to beat on a good day.

I wouldn't put him in top 10.


putting aside the fact that it was Jaedong 5 pooling and that sKyHigh isn't definitively better than HiYa, this has also been a slow month for games of any meaning.

If you can give me good reasons from March to put anyone else above him besides JD, Bisu, Fantasy, JangBi, and Luxury, I'll be the first to admit he should be lower than 6, but from what I'm seeing, there's no one else who did anything to write home about in March.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
April 06 2009 23:14 GMT
#593
Maybe Fakestephen didn't update the Power Rank because there's nothing to change

There's no other explanation
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
April 06 2009 23:23 GMT
#594
On April 07 2009 08:14 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
Maybe Fakestephen didn't update the Power Rank because there's nothing to change

There's no other explanation


Oh god he's right!

Jaedong, quick, get beaten 0-3 so you can beat Bisu's 1st place!
Remember Violet.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-07 00:18:23
April 07 2009 00:02 GMT
#595
btw looking back to previous PRs - Guess what was the position of JD in the month when he got 0-3 by ForGG and outplayed by han in straight games for the OSL prelims... #2
(That month he went smth like 11-4 ? including 6 GOM games...note that the games vs han are not included in TLPD)
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
April 07 2009 00:18 GMT
#596
On April 07 2009 06:23 stroggos wrote:
skyhigh fended off a 5 pool then beat 3 people that you would expect him to beat on a good day.

I wouldn't put him in top 10.


A 5 pool from Jaedong...

You have to also keep in mind the pressure he was under. Skyhigh has consistently played rather well in PL at least and has shown to be rather solid.

He was forced to reverse AK Lecaf in the finals... that's serious pressure and he pulled through.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
deathgodtoss
Profile Joined July 2008
Korea (North)189 Posts
April 07 2009 01:12 GMT
#597
On April 07 2009 09:18 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2009 06:23 stroggos wrote:
skyhigh fended off a 5 pool then beat 3 people that you would expect him to beat on a good day.

I wouldn't put him in top 10.


A 5 pool from Jaedong...

You have to also keep in mind the pressure he was under. Skyhigh has consistently played rather well in PL at least and has shown to be rather solid.

He was forced to reverse AK Lecaf in the finals... that's serious pressure and he pulled through.


but this still does not justify putting him above players such as by.hero, nada and stork.
put skyhigh in #9 or 10 spot, but it owuld be a disservice to players like these three who made it far in the starleagues. stork double birthed into ro8 of osls (knocked out 1-2 by jaedong, but his first game was good) where he frekaing had to meet up with eventual winner of the league and in MSL ran into jangbi, who just outplayed him. but its like stork > bisu > jangbi.. its odd newayz.. i am digressing.
by.hero made quite a splash in this osl, beating hwasin with flare, having awesome z v p against bisu and such.
nada... oh my god, i thoguht he would get rolled over by jangbi, but boy did he bring his A game to town. if it was any other toss, i am 99% sure that nada woulda advanced to the finals, probably won the whole damn msl. but alas, it aint so.

yes skyhigh needed nerves to reverse all kill hwanseung, but 2 of the tosses were complete scrubs and hiya choked. jaedong failed a really huge cheese, so i don't really count that towards his resume. he still hasn't done shit otherwise though, besides proleague contributions.
god is about as useful as a protoss scout
deathgodtoss
Profile Joined July 2008
Korea (North)189 Posts
April 07 2009 01:29 GMT
#598
On April 07 2009 05:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I'd honestly say put Skyhigh up below the obvious top 5 (All finalists and Bisu's generally good record) at #6. None of the others have done much, even if they're all still beasts. Skyhigh, essentially, won a championship by himself, even if it isn't as important as OSL and MSL, so I'd put him right under all the top showers in OSL/MSL (with the exception of by.hero, who wasn't even on the rank before and since, even though playing well, didn't do much. Admittedly, no one expects a good showing when your next big match is ZvZ vs Jaedong).


what about nada? what about stork?
god is about as useful as a protoss scout
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
April 07 2009 03:15 GMT
#599
I think that the Winner's League finals is as big as events come. To sit down with your team down 3-0 and pull through a win is an absolutely phenomenal performance that counts for a lot. Skyhigh had a good month otherwise, and I think his WL clutch is on par with a quarter-final starleague appearance. By this metric, he should be #6. As much as this hurts me (as a Jaedong fan) the kid earned it.

My list:

1. Jaedong - I don't even need to justify this one
2. Luxury - A Starleague win is a starleague win. He managed a tough series against Leta, dominated Zero, and Jangbi isn't exactly a push-over.
3. Fantasy - His run to the OSL finals was impressive, and he played very well on the final stage. Not enough for gold, and that's what puts him below our other contestants.
4. Jangbi - Say what you will about a potential BoX vs Bisu, one player made it to the finals, and the other got 3-0ed in the semis. That's results for you.
5. Bisu - Despite dropping the ball, Bisu still shows streaks of the Bonjwa that wasn't and it would be crazy to put him any lower.
6. Skyhigh - Stakes don't come much higher than the Winner's League finals, and when his team was down 0-3, he sat down and delivered one of the most impressive performances in recent memory. His month was also more solid all around than other Starleague placers, but I think his clutch shot in the WL is worth a quarter finals trip, and he had a better month otherwise.
7. Stork - A trip to the OSL semis and MSL quarters is easily enough to warrant this placement, though getting thrashed by Janbgi doesn't help his case.
8. By.Hero - Jaedong shit all over him, but a trip to the semis, an impressive show against Hwasin, and a win against Bisu are enough to warrant this placement.
9. Nada - A heart filled and impressive BO5 against Jangbi earns you this spot.
10. Flash - Flash had an impressive three kill against OGN, then dropped the ball in every other WL game. If he wasn't such a scary player, I'd throw him off the rank.

CBNC

Zero - 1-6 in the month of march. A trip to the semis is worth something. It's worth me mentioning how very very bad you were this month in this CBNC.

Leta - A dull month. Still a powerful player who will be back again.

Yarnc - Nice all-kill against Air Force. WIth it, you managed something that others in this PR couldn't. Namely a winning record.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
April 07 2009 03:18 GMT
#600
Also no new power rank, two days after promised. File this under not surprised.

Call me ungrateful, but in a site filled with rabid fans who would jump on the chance to do a Power Rank, why do we entrust it to the one guy who's always late? Sorry, but his power ranks aren't good enough to justify the nonstop torrent of heartbreak and tardiness that accompanies them.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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