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captainwafflos
Profile Joined February 2009
United States212 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-06 01:45:19
April 06 2009 01:44 GMT
#561
On April 03 2009 18:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: PR coming this weekend!


time is short, brahh
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
April 06 2009 02:00 GMT
#562
Is it just me or is it that out of all the OSL and MSL winners, Luxury just seems to be at a notch lower? To me he seems to be the only player who's won a league and yet still wouldn't stand a chance against a lot of the stronger players.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
captainwafflos
Profile Joined February 2009
United States212 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-06 02:03:15
April 06 2009 02:02 GMT
#563
i'd agree with that. he doesn't seem as strong as fantasy/bisu/jaedong.

i think the difference is that he beat jangbi in the finals, who might not be considered to be in his top form right now.

that said, i'd still put lux above bisu in the next pr based on performance alone.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
April 06 2009 02:24 GMT
#564
On April 06 2009 11:00 writer22816 wrote:
Is it just me or is it that out of all the OSL and MSL winners, Luxury just seems to be at a notch lower? To me he seems to be the only player who's won a league and yet still wouldn't stand a chance against a lot of the stronger players.

On April 06 2009 05:47 Atrioc wrote:
Of the 20 MSL's ever played, only 7 of them do not have a bonjwa (Boxer/Oov/Nada/Savior) appearance in the finals.

+ Show Spoiler [If Bisu/Jaedong] +
Of those 7, six of those finals contained either Bisu or Jaedong. If you count Bisu/Jaedong together as a two-person Bonjwa because of their high level of dominance over the scene, then Jangbi vs, Luxury is the only MSL ever in which a dominant player did not appear in the MSL finals


Jaedong
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
April 06 2009 03:38 GMT
#565
On April 06 2009 11:00 writer22816 wrote:
Is it just me or is it that out of all the OSL and MSL winners, Luxury just seems to be at a notch lower? To me he seems to be the only player who's won a league and yet still wouldn't stand a chance against a lot of the stronger players.

Well, Luxury did have really, really good maps for zvp in the finals. Neo Harmony twice wtf?
GANDHISAUCE
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
April 06 2009 04:58 GMT
#566
While I would agree that Lux is a notch lower, I wouldn't say that he wouldn't stand a chance against a lot of the stronger players. Firstly by "a lot of the stronger players" I assume you mean "three people" and while Lux wouldn't be the favorite against Flash/Bisu/JaeDong I would certainly give him a chance.
Cheese is good for you!
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
April 06 2009 05:01 GMT
#567
I wouldn't give him a chance vs Jaedong, but that's not really saying anything bad about Lux. I mean he is on a 6 game losing streak vs him. Against Flash, he was the one that took him down during his hot hot streak last year so he has a definite chance against him. Against Bisu, he can always cheese since he's so good at it.
Jaedong
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
April 06 2009 09:47 GMT
#568
You can't say that Luxury is the underdog against Bisu or Flash unless they fight it out in the future .
Luxury should be # 2 his performance in the past 2 months has been greater then Fantasy . Even if fantasy eliminated him in the OSL Ro8 2 - 1 series , at that time Luxury was practising for MSL and WL also . Fantasy was obviously practising for WL too , but in the end Luxury eliminated SKT from the playoffs by beating him and Best and made their recent record vs each other 2 - 2 . Luxury played a really solid final against JangBi and thats why he won . I think if Luxury plays Fantasy next time he will squash him , because he will be prepared better against Fantasy's builds compared to the Ro8's games .
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
April 06 2009 11:10 GMT
#569
On April 06 2009 18:47 raga4ka wrote:
You can't say that Luxury is the underdog against Bisu or Flash unless they fight it out in the future .
Luxury should be # 2 his performance in the past 2 months has been greater then Fantasy . Even if fantasy eliminated him in the OSL Ro8 2 - 1 series , at that time Luxury was practising for MSL and WL also . Fantasy was obviously practising for WL too , but in the end Luxury eliminated SKT from the playoffs by beating him and Best and made their recent record vs each other 2 - 2 . Luxury played a really solid final against JangBi and thats why he won . I think if Luxury plays Fantasy next time he will squash him , because he will be prepared better against Fantasy's builds compared to the Ro8's games .

If we take into consideration that Lux played well in the last three months,he can be no2. If we take into consideration only this month,than Fantasy should be above Lux,because he played godly starcraft.
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-06 14:16:34
April 06 2009 14:04 GMT
#570
dunno why people think Luxury should be going up to 2nd or 3rd. He didn't play the best sc players to get to the msl finals. He beat Jangbi 3-1 but Jangbi's worst mu is z.

Luxury would get beaten by Flash and Bisu most of the time, and he would have no chance against Jaedong in a bo5.

Imo Luxury should go down to 5th or 6th.

jaedong 1st
Fantasy 2nd
Bisu 3rd
Flash 4th
Luxury 5th
jangbi 6th
Stork 7th
Leta 8th




hi
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-06 14:39:23
April 06 2009 14:39 GMT
#571
On April 06 2009 23:04 stroggos wrote:
dunno why people think Luxury should be going up to 2nd or 3rd. He didn't play the best sc players to get to the msl finals. He beat Jangbi 3-1 but Jangbi's worst mu is z.

Luxury would get beaten by Flash and Bisu most of the time, and he would have no chance against Jaedong in a bo5.

Imo Luxury should go down to 5th or 6th.

jaedong 1st
Fantasy 2nd
Bisu 3rd
Flash 4th
Luxury 5th
jangbi 6th
Stork 7th
Leta 8th





go down after an msl win? I don`t think so
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
verzisor
Profile Joined February 2009
Romania73 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-06 14:54:14
April 06 2009 14:53 GMT
#572
Common people... luxury doesn't have a brilliant ZvP and his win of MSL wasn't something brilliant. Therefore I think the rank should be like this:

1. Jaedong
2. Fantasy
3. Bisu
4. Luxury
5. Jangbi
6. FlaSh
7. NaDa
8. Skyhigh
9. By.hero (he deserves it)
10. Stork or Leta
Even though FlaSh has the potential to be top3 with Bisu, and JD he is currently under performing. Bisu clearly can't be number 1 since he recently lost to both fanta and JD. However I'd like to say that currently BiSu and JD are monsters and the absolute best match would be a BO5 between the two.

animus123
Profile Joined January 2009
United States171 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-06 15:07:02
April 06 2009 15:05 GMT
#573
On April 06 2009 23:04 stroggos wrote:
dunno why people think Luxury should be going up to 2nd or 3rd. He didn't play the best sc players to get to the msl finals. He beat Jangbi 3-1 but Jangbi's worst mu is z.

Luxury would get beaten by Flash and Bisu most of the time, and he would have no chance against Jaedong in a bo5.

Imo Luxury should go down to 5th or 6th.

jaedong 1st
Fantasy 2nd
Bisu 3rd
Flash 4th
Luxury 5th
jangbi 6th
Stork 7th
Leta 8th







lol @ flash above Luxury.

You know you're a fanboi when.....
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
April 06 2009 15:46 GMT
#574
On April 06 2009 23:04 stroggos wrote:
dunno why people think Luxury should be going up to 2nd or 3rd. He didn't play the best sc players to get to the msl finals. He beat Jangbi 3-1 but Jangbi's worst mu is z.

Luxury would get beaten by Flash and Bisu most of the time, and he would have no chance against Jaedong in a bo5.

Imo Luxury should go down to 5th or 6th.

jaedong 1st
Fantasy 2nd
Bisu 3rd
Flash 4th
Luxury 5th
jangbi 6th
Stork 7th
Leta 8th



Wow fanboy

Why is Fantasy 2nd? Luxury should be in top 3 for Winning MSL even if he is not as strong as others still this is monthly performance rank

Bisu should be like 3rd because he was on fire till he lost to fantasy 0-3, and thats like the only real serious loss he had for a while now. Flash should probably be rank 5
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
[DUF]MethodMan
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany1716 Posts
April 06 2009 16:10 GMT
#575
at least the nr1 spot is clear this month
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
April 06 2009 16:20 GMT
#576
Where is the new rank. Its soon august ffs
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
April 06 2009 17:45 GMT
#577
I am a Bisu fanboy,but considering his monthly performance,he doesn't deserve a better place than 4th,and some people might even think Jangbi should be higher. I am not one of those people. I also think that Fantasy should be above Luxury,and exactly because of his monthly performance was better. Even tho Fantasy only was second in OSL,he played tremendously this month. He beat Lux in the OSL,stomped Bisu,and not just because of the maps,because he played fucking brilliant,and Lux had advantageous maps against Jangbi too. And Fantasy did a fucking brilliant job against Jaedong. He also won two games in WL. Okay,I know Lux did that too. But if we take into consideration the special events too,Lux didn't won a single game on them.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-06 19:18:45
April 06 2009 19:08 GMT
#578
For quick reference of everyone here, these are all the games since the last PR for Fantasy, Luxury, Bisu, Jangbi, and Jaedong. I've bolded the non All Star Race Battle games and records for those who wish to treat those results differently (I would take those results with a grain of salt, but that's just me).

Fantasy
Overall: 9 - 6
Lost to Kal in Winner's League
Beat Luxury 2-1 in OSL
Beat HoeJJa in Winner's League (Playoffs)
Beat Flash in Winner's League (Playoffs)
Lost to Luxury in Winner's League (Playoffs)
Beat Bisu 3-0 in OSL
Lost to Jaedong 2-3 in the OSL (Finals)


Luxury
Overall: 9 - 6 (9 - 8)
Lost to Leta in Winner's League
Lost to Fantasy 1-2 in OSL
Lost to Nbs in Winner's League
Beat ZerO 3-0 in MSL
Beat Fantasy in Winner's League (Playoffs)
Beat BeSt in Winner's League (Playoffs)
Beat JangBi 3-1 in MSL (Finals)
Lost to Jaedong in Winner's League (Playoffs)

Lost to Leta in Z v T Special Race Battle
Lost to Stork in Z v P Special Race Battle

Bisu
Overall: 8 - 5 (12 - 6)
Beat Kal in Winner's League
Lost to by.hero in Winner's League
Beat BeSt 2-0 in OSL
Beat NaDa in Winner's League
Beat Mind in Winner's League
Beat keke in Winner's League
Beat RorO in Winner's League (All Kill)
Beat 815 in Winner's League (Playoffs)
Lost to HoeJJa in Winner's League (Playoffs)
Lost to Fantasy 0-3 in OSL

Lost to sAviOr in Z v P Special Race Battle
Beat Flash in P v T Special Race Battle
Beat NaDa in P v T Special Race Battle
Beat Leta in P v T Special Race Battle
Beat Hwasin in P v T Special Race Battle (All Kill)

Jangbi
Overall: 8 - 6 (8 - 7)
Lost to HiyA in Winner's League
Beat NaDa 3-2 in MSL
Beat Really in Winner's League
Beat Stork 3-0 in MSL
Lost to Luxury 1-3 in MSL(Finals)

Lost to July in Z v P Special Race Battle

Jaedong
Overall: 16-4
Beat Stork 2-1 in OSL
Beat Light in Winner's League
Beat HoeJJa in Winner's League (Playoffs)
Beat fOrGG in Winner's League (Playoffs)
Beat Luxury in Winner's League (Playoffs)
Beat Flash in Winner's League (Playoffs)(All Kill)
Beat by.hero 3-0 in OSL
Beat EffOrt in Winner's League (Playoffs)
Beat Iris in Winner's League (Playoffs)
Beat sAviOr in Winner's League (Playoffs)
Lost to sKyHigh in Winner's League (Playoffs)
Beat Fantasy 3-2 in OSL (Finals)


I think the results pretty clearly point to JD being #1, no one's really debating that one...

From there, it's open to debate, but taking the results in context, I think it's:

2. Luxury
3. Fantasy
4. Bisu
5. JangBi

but I think 2 - 4 are all completely up for debate. I just think that Bisu's wins aren't terribly impressive and his losses to Fantasy and HoeJJa are so anti-cluch that he doesn't merrit a place above Fantasy or Luxury, who both came up bigger when it mattered. For Lux vs. Fantasy, I could understand Fantasy being #2 for posting the same record vs. harder competition, but a championship's a championship so, meh, I think he should be 2 but my heart wouldn't be broken seeing Fantasy at 2.

RE: Lux's ZvP: Luxury's ZvP is currently elo #3 after July and Jaedong with career 58.82% ZvP win rate. You don't have to like the way he plays the matchup, but there's no questioning that it gets the job done.

sKyHigh was 5-0 in Winner's League since last PR and carried his team to a championship. Regardless of how the games played out, reverse All-Killing for the championship is pretty damn noteworthy and I think he should be #6 for this. + Show Spoiler +
And for what it's worth he beat Rage in GOM too =p
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LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
April 06 2009 19:53 GMT
#579
#2 is the only logical spot for Luxury. Maybe you could argue that Bisu is still ahead of him, but i wouldn't agree.

Flash? He has done nothing, he should either stay at 5 or drop to 6.

Fantasy? He played some great games, but i don't think he should just shoot to #2 given his somewhat inconsistent play.

My rank would be:
1. Jaedong
2. Luxury
3. Bisu
4. Fantasy
5. Jangbi
6. Flash
7. Stork
8. By.Hero
9. Leta
10. Skyhigh

Bisu/Fantasy placement is tough, and could go the other way. Spot 9 and 10 are also hard to fill.
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
April 06 2009 20:01 GMT
#580
On April 06 2009 23:53 verzisor wrote:
Common people... luxury doesn't have a brilliant ZvP and his win of MSL wasn't something brilliant. Therefore I think the rank should be like this:

1. Jaedong
2. Fantasy
3. Bisu
4. Luxury
5. Jangbi
6. FlaSh
7. NaDa
8. Skyhigh
9. By.hero (he deserves it)
10. Stork or Leta
Even though FlaSh has the potential to be top3 with Bisu, and JD he is currently under performing. Bisu clearly can't be number 1 since he recently lost to both fanta and JD. However I'd like to say that currently BiSu and JD are monsters and the absolute best match would be a BO5 between the two.



I think this makes the most sense. In fact it's darn near perfect. Didn't Bisu completely destroy Luxury during his game with him in the OSL? Besides, if you had to choose a player to win against someone else in a Bo5, would you *really* choose Luxury over Bisu? Really???


My other alternative power ranking goes something like this:
1. Bisu
2. Bisu
3. Bisu
4. ... ah screw it
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