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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-05 09:36:42
April 05 2009 09:36 GMT
#521
I still think Luxury should be second . He has shown better results then fantasy this past month .Even thought Fantasy was great in his semis and final , he didn't win and Luxury has the more impressive all - around performance . Fantasy should be third and from there on its enyone's spot .
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
April 05 2009 10:05 GMT
#522
On April 05 2009 18:36 raga4ka wrote:
I still think Luxury should be second . He has shown better results then fantasy this past month .Even thought Fantasy was great in his semis and final , he didn't win and Luxury has the more impressive all - around performance . Fantasy should be third and from there on its enyone's spot .

Lux no way has better overall performances. In fact, Fantasy beat Lux himself in his OSL road. This month,Fantasy showed far more,than Luxury. Perhaps Fantasy wouldn't have beaten Jangbi,but Lux wouldn't have beaten Bisu either,and the point is,he couldn't even beat Fantasy,and don't tell me Luxury's path to the MSL championship was harder than Fanta's path to the OSL finals,and I thnik there is no player on the world right now that would have fared better against Jaedong than Fantasy did.
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
April 05 2009 10:18 GMT
#523
On April 05 2009 19:05 Darth Peter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2009 18:36 raga4ka wrote:
I still think Luxury should be second . He has shown better results then fantasy this past month .Even thought Fantasy was great in his semis and final , he didn't win and Luxury has the more impressive all - around performance . Fantasy should be third and from there on its enyone's spot .

Lux no way has better overall performances. In fact, Fantasy beat Lux himself in his OSL road. This month,Fantasy showed far more,than Luxury. Perhaps Fantasy wouldn't have beaten Jangbi,but Lux wouldn't have beaten Bisu either,and the point is,he couldn't even beat Fantasy,and don't tell me Luxury's path to the MSL championship was harder than Fanta's path to the OSL finals,and I thnik there is no player on the world right now that would have fared better against Jaedong than Fantasy did.

Maybe skyhigh...
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
verzisor
Profile Joined February 2009
Romania73 Posts
April 05 2009 10:20 GMT
#524
On April 05 2009 19:05 Darth Peter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2009 18:36 raga4ka wrote:
I still think Luxury should be second . He has shown better results then fantasy this past month .Even thought Fantasy was great in his semis and final , he didn't win and Luxury has the more impressive all - around performance . Fantasy should be third and from there on its enyone's spot .

Lux no way has better overall performances. In fact, Fantasy beat Lux himself in his OSL road. This month,Fantasy showed far more,than Luxury. Perhaps Fantasy wouldn't have beaten Jangbi,but Lux wouldn't have beaten Bisu either,and the point is,he couldn't even beat Fantasy,and don't tell me Luxury's path to the MSL championship was harder than Fanta's path to the OSL finals,and I thnik there is no player on the world right now that would have fared better against Jaedong than Fantasy did.


Lol... what about Bisu? You think Bisu had less chance than Fanta? Or what about FlaSh? Honestly I'd say that Bisu is 50-50 with JD, and Flash is 45-50 in JD's favor. While fanta would be around 40-50 with JD in a BO5.
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
April 05 2009 10:42 GMT
#525
On April 05 2009 19:20 verzisor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2009 19:05 Darth Peter wrote:
On April 05 2009 18:36 raga4ka wrote:
I still think Luxury should be second . He has shown better results then fantasy this past month .Even thought Fantasy was great in his semis and final , he didn't win and Luxury has the more impressive all - around performance . Fantasy should be third and from there on its enyone's spot .

Lux no way has better overall performances. In fact, Fantasy beat Lux himself in his OSL road. This month,Fantasy showed far more,than Luxury. Perhaps Fantasy wouldn't have beaten Jangbi,but Lux wouldn't have beaten Bisu either,and the point is,he couldn't even beat Fantasy,and don't tell me Luxury's path to the MSL championship was harder than Fanta's path to the OSL finals,and I thnik there is no player on the world right now that would have fared better against Jaedong than Fantasy did.


Lol... what about Bisu? You think Bisu had less chance than Fanta? Or what about FlaSh? Honestly I'd say that Bisu is 50-50 with JD, and Flash is 45-50 in JD's favor. While fanta would be around 40-50 with JD in a BO5.

To be perfectly honest, I would not give the Bisu I've seen the latest weeks a 50-50 chance against JD with TOTM in the map pool.
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
April 05 2009 11:35 GMT
#526
No one would be 50-50 against jaedong atm;)
But while we're into speculating i think bisu flash and fantasy are the players that has the best chance, simply because bisu and flash are so good and fantasy is scary in bo5 if he's had time for alot of preparation using all his wierd builds.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
April 05 2009 11:52 GMT
#527
Fantasy only wins with wierd builds tbh but that is his strenght.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
April 05 2009 12:08 GMT
#528
Yeah, you can't really discredit him for flaws that he doesn't allow to show due to his strategychoices.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
captainwafflos
Profile Joined February 2009
United States212 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-05 15:29:34
April 05 2009 12:21 GMT
#529
fail: wrong thread
captainwafflos
Profile Joined February 2009
United States212 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-05 15:29:44
April 05 2009 12:22 GMT
#530
fail: wrong thread
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
April 05 2009 12:30 GMT
#531
I would think Nada should be in a decent spot in the PR, with all the awe that TL showed after his performance vs JangBi.
I <3 the internet, I <3 you
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
April 05 2009 14:55 GMT
#532
On April 05 2009 19:05 Darth Peter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2009 18:36 raga4ka wrote:
I still think Luxury should be second . He has shown better results then fantasy this past month .Even thought Fantasy was great in his semis and final , he didn't win and Luxury has the more impressive all - around performance . Fantasy should be third and from there on its enyone's spot .

Lux no way has better overall performances. In fact, Fantasy beat Lux himself in his OSL road. This month,Fantasy showed far more,than Luxury. Perhaps Fantasy wouldn't have beaten Jangbi,but Lux wouldn't have beaten Bisu either,and the point is,he couldn't even beat Fantasy,and don't tell me Luxury's path to the MSL championship was harder than Fanta's path to the OSL finals,and I thnik there is no player on the world right now that would have fared better against Jaedong than Fantasy did.

Lux also beat Fantasy in the WL. Also, what's with saying Lux wouldn't have beaten Bisu? On that map pool + Lux has a winning record against Bisu? Lux can definitely take Bisu in a Bo5, besides that's speculation, we work off what actually happened.
Jaedong
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 05 2009 15:18 GMT
#533
On April 03 2009 18:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
HI DUDES

PR coming this weekend! I've got a night of drinking ahead of me and a hellacious week at work come Monday. StarCraft is, as always, my little hermit world where I retreat when I need to feel infallible. In life, I'm just a regular jackoff. In StarCraft, I'M FAKESTEVE. BOW DOWN.

It should be no surprise who #1 is, in fact the top 5 seem pretty clear-cut. It's been a simple month without much in the way of ambiguous, convoluted results and gameplay. The winners are clear, the losers even clearer.

Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeers, it's Friday night


this weekend?
That just finished conform the TL calendar
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-05 15:58:49
April 05 2009 15:52 GMT
#534
On April 05 2009 18:15 disciple wrote:
Bisu has no medals at all? What a convincing point, this is like not putting flash or JD on the top spot because they both won nothing in the last 3 seasons...jee. And after the first game in the Bo3 the only thing that has changed dramatically is the map they were playing on (*cough* ToTM). Skillwise Bisu is right behind JD atm and the gap between those two and all others is huge. But because the PR reflect the monthly performance Bisu should not be #2. Fantasy clearly showed better play than him, but I think it comes to FS to decide if Lux must be #3 or not.

Medal > No Medal. When there is nothing but the last stages of the starleagues going on, what else can you judge off? Bisu is on a 4-game losing streak as I already said. And yeah, I'm not putting Flash high at all. And JD actually won GOM, got second in Arena MSL, won WCG Korea and now won OSL. Your "skillwise" argument is just your opinion, it's the results that matter in the end. Jangbi / Bisu is debatable, but I value a silver more than a semifinal 0-3 in a tournament he never deserved to be in in the first place.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-05 16:10:39
April 05 2009 16:02 GMT
#535
On April 06 2009 00:52 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2009 18:15 disciple wrote:
Bisu has no medals at all? What a convincing point, this is like not putting flash or JD on the top spot because they both won nothing in the last 3 seasons...jee. And after the first game in the Bo3 the only thing that has changed dramatically is the map they were playing on (*cough* ToTM). Skillwise Bisu is right behind JD atm and the gap between those two and all others is huge. But because the PR reflect the monthly performance Bisu should not be #2. Fantasy clearly showed better play than him, but I think it comes to FS to decide if Lux must be #3 or not.

Medal > No Medal. When there is nothing but the last stages of the starleagues going on, what else can you judge off? Bisu is on a 4-game losing streak as I already said. And yeah, I'm not putting Flash high at all. And JD actually won GOM, got second in Arena MSL and now won OSL. Your "skillwise" argument is just your opinion, it's the results that matter in the end. Jangbi / Bisu is debatable, but I value a silver more than a semifinal 0-3.

Your arguments may be good with all the medal thing and stuff but check out previous PRs. JD was #1 even the month where he was outed in the OSL prelims. The top 3 was not always reserved for the champions, not in anyway. Hole another thing is that you try to remove Bisu from any ranking as soon as he screws up a bit. And thats what you haters do. Although Flash gets outperformed by other terrans lately like Leta or fantasy, ppl keep consider him the best player ever to play the game (Artosis) and even put Flash 50-50 vs Bisu and JD when both of them are clearly superior to him at the moment. All I can read from your posts is "remove Bisu from the PR cause I hate him so much"
Even if JD somehow manages to screw everything at the beginning of the next season, the PR's discussions would be full with the double standard posts that "thou JD is out he is the best zerg right now and the current OSL champ, he is still #3 etc etc"
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
April 05 2009 16:23 GMT
#536
Lux is the champ and can beat bisu in bo5, why would anyone claim he can't. Bisu can be third, but if fantasy is placed behind him it would be awkward, those games were beat downs.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
April 05 2009 16:39 GMT
#537
On April 05 2009 19:20 verzisor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2009 19:05 Darth Peter wrote:
On April 05 2009 18:36 raga4ka wrote:
I still think Luxury should be second . He has shown better results then fantasy this past month .Even thought Fantasy was great in his semis and final , he didn't win and Luxury has the more impressive all - around performance . Fantasy should be third and from there on its enyone's spot .

Lux no way has better overall performances. In fact, Fantasy beat Lux himself in his OSL road. This month,Fantasy showed far more,than Luxury. Perhaps Fantasy wouldn't have beaten Jangbi,but Lux wouldn't have beaten Bisu either,and the point is,he couldn't even beat Fantasy,and don't tell me Luxury's path to the MSL championship was harder than Fanta's path to the OSL finals,and I thnik there is no player on the world right now that would have fared better against Jaedong than Fantasy did.


Lol... what about Bisu? You think Bisu had less chance than Fanta? Or what about FlaSh? Honestly I'd say that Bisu is 50-50 with JD, and Flash is 45-50 in JD's favor. While fanta would be around 40-50 with JD in a BO5.

Do they teach math where you came from?

Although I agree with you if I understood you correctly.
Peace~
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
April 05 2009 16:43 GMT
#538
On April 06 2009 00:18 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2009 18:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
HI DUDES

PR coming this weekend! I've got a night of drinking ahead of me and a hellacious week at work come Monday. StarCraft is, as always, my little hermit world where I retreat when I need to feel infallible. In life, I'm just a regular jackoff. In StarCraft, I'M FAKESTEVE. BOW DOWN.

It should be no surprise who #1 is, in fact the top 5 seem pretty clear-cut. It's been a simple month without much in the way of ambiguous, convoluted results and gameplay. The winners are clear, the losers even clearer.

Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeers, it's Friday night


this weekend?
That just finished conform the TL calendar

For someone that has 90% of his posts in the PR threads I would expect you to be aware of 3 things:

1. Delays happen, usually because RL > TL.

2. It's still Sunday in America. Steve is in Thailand and I think it's just about midnight Sunday there.

3. Complaining won't give you anything.
Peace~
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
April 05 2009 16:44 GMT
#539
On April 06 2009 01:23 Magic84 wrote:
Lux is the champ and can beat bisu in bo5, why would anyone claim he can't. Bisu can be third, but if fantasy is placed behind him it would be awkward, those games were beat downs.

Bisu, the same one that stood toe-to-toe with Jaedong? Please.
Peace~
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
April 05 2009 16:49 GMT
#540
On April 06 2009 01:44 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2009 01:23 Magic84 wrote:
Lux is the champ and can beat bisu in bo5, why would anyone claim he can't. Bisu can be third, but if fantasy is placed behind him it would be awkward, those games were beat downs.

Bisu, the same one that stood toe-to-toe with Jaedong? Please.

Lux has a winning record against Bisu+ on the current map pool he definitely can beat Bisu.
Jaedong
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