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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-23 05:14:42
February 23 2009 05:13 GMT
#101
I voted for sAviOr because noone else has ever been as untouchable as he was in his prime. Sure, he dropped the odd game, but in the end he pulled through in the toughest of situations. Even nowadays I find myself watching Jaedong games and thinking "man, in sAviOr's prime those scourge wouldn't have missed/that drop wouldn't have landed/that defiler would have plagued before dying". Honestly, I know the level of play has gone up and I know that nowadays he's a shadow of his former self, but back in the day he was so fucking imbalanced it wasn't even funny.

Every single game he played he may has well have been looking at his opponents screen, from sending his overlord in the right direction right off the bat to randomly scouting a proxy in some godforsaken corner of the map.

Bunker rush? No chance.
Proxy gate? Gtfo.

There was nothing that could faze this cold-hearted motherfucker.

Sure, oov was scary, but I believe that's only because he grasped the concepts of macro before anyone else had really thought about it. 27-0 is, of course, nothing to scoff at.

The only other player I can see contending as best player ever is NaDa. He's definitely the most accomplished player of all time, with one of only two Golden Mice and a list of accomplishments in TLPD that spans several pages :p He also shows amazing longevity and continues to take games from top players to this day.

Definitely sAviOr or NaDa for this one. I can't really see anyone else really being a contender.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
JFKWT
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore1442 Posts
February 23 2009 05:21 GMT
#102
+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu is arrogant. This is something I really liked about him actually, I was fully behind the "Bisu is a badass" wagon for the longest time. Yea I liked Savior but the new Sair/DT multitask way to crush zerg was amazing. The SC scene needs more personalities like Savior/Bisu/FBH that are arrogant because they KNOW they are good and can back up what they say by steamrolling everyone. FBH.. used to be able to steamroll anyway

The only issue a majority of people have with Bisu right now is the whole Bonjwa talk that gets annoying after the 5000th time of hearing it and that one interview where he became probably the first ever upper class player to actually complain about a map. He actually said "Yea I lost because of the maps..."

... He needs to redeem himself after that farce of a comment. Other than that Bisu is ok in my book and I like the guy. The Savior fanboyism is overboard too but the Bisu-Savior brigades are... really loud just gotta get used to that one


Odd how Flash/JD dominate so hard and still don't get swell-headed like FBH/Bisu. And Nada didnt exactly get all his titles by being a hard-ass.

Despite being a T player voted JD simply for the fireworks that his VODs and FPVODs display.
The calm before the storm / "loli is not a crime, but meganekko is the way to go!"
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8092 Posts
February 23 2009 05:23 GMT
#103
Best player is kinda vauge question,
Best results is nada
Best player at the moment would be flash or JD
Best player according to fans hearts is this sexy boy
[image loading]


Voted flash
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Pellucidity
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Netherlands377 Posts
February 23 2009 05:30 GMT
#104
Voted Savior. Should be July.
"NO MUCH. WHY ARE YOUR SCARABS SO STUPID" - Tasteless
checo
Profile Joined November 2008
Mexico1364 Posts
February 23 2009 05:31 GMT
#105
I just notice boxer losse almost 4 points of his carer win rate since he enter ACE XD
El amor no mueve al mundo, ni hace brillar el sol, pero el amor hace latir este corazon....
xhuwin
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States476 Posts
February 23 2009 05:37 GMT
#106
NADAAAA
xyn
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
February 23 2009 05:43 GMT
#107
Savior better not win this. That would irritate me.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Rucky
Profile Joined February 2008
United States717 Posts
February 23 2009 05:44 GMT
#108
On February 23 2009 14:08 BreaK wrote:
Honestly, this poll might as well be: "Who has the most fans out of all these players?"


I liked savior way more than JD, but I voted JD.

Beyond the Game
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
February 23 2009 05:48 GMT
#109
On February 23 2009 14:03 Aurioch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2009 13:35 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Bisu is arrogant. That is a fact that can be seen from his interviews, though they have improved recently. Savior lost to one person. You can't generalize that into "random A-class players". That's an overstatement.

And Savior isn't? Boldly claiming he'll destroy everyone in 2009, in my book, that's call being over your head and overestimating yourself.


i see it more as making a promise with his foreign fans than arrogant.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 23 2009 06:08 GMT
#110
It is a crime that Reach isn't on the list.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
February 23 2009 06:09 GMT
#111
Lol what a flame bait poll.

Can the next one be Best Race Ever? Or maybe a "Wii, 360, PS3?" kinda poll?
bias-
Profile Joined October 2004
United States410 Posts
February 23 2009 06:33 GMT
#112
Sorry but Nada hsa been around how long and can still innovate while hanging tough? Boxer might have started it all, but we're talking quality of skill here. Probably Jaedong or Flash should get the prize, but for consistency's sake, Nada.
For serious minds, a bias recognized is a bias sterilized.
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-23 06:36:26
February 23 2009 06:35 GMT
#113
Best? If you are talking about the best as in highest level, I would say Jaedong or Flash. Flash has much better decision making than Jaedong imo, like the video I saw where he reduces the troop to go defend at his main's drop so he can prevent possible future simutaneous drop at nat. This compared to Jaedong's poor decision to go guardians and hydras verse mass tanks and goliaths.

On the other hand, Jaedong has been fighting an uphill battle, killing Terrans left and right on recent trend of maps where T>Z, or just the simple historical age of starcraft unfair scene where T>Z ever since the age of Boxer.

But oov has been the most dominant, but I don't see him as a best player in the present ofc.
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
February 23 2009 07:10 GMT
#114
On February 23 2009 15:08 Sentenal wrote:
It is a crime that Reach isn't on the list.


OR JULY IS 5 OSL FINALS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE A LIST ; ;
OMG you nasty gurl
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
February 23 2009 07:27 GMT
#115
Most retarded poll ever.
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-23 07:34:00
February 23 2009 07:31 GMT
#116
On February 23 2009 14:21 JFKWT wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Bisu is arrogant. This is something I really liked about him actually, I was fully behind the "Bisu is a badass" wagon for the longest time. Yea I liked Savior but the new Sair/DT multitask way to crush zerg was amazing. The SC scene needs more personalities like Savior/Bisu/FBH that are arrogant because they KNOW they are good and can back up what they say by steamrolling everyone. FBH.. used to be able to steamroll anyway

The only issue a majority of people have with Bisu right now is the whole Bonjwa talk that gets annoying after the 5000th time of hearing it and that one interview where he became probably the first ever upper class player to actually complain about a map. He actually said "Yea I lost because of the maps..."

... He needs to redeem himself after that farce of a comment. Other than that Bisu is ok in my book and I like the guy. The Savior fanboyism is overboard too but the Bisu-Savior brigades are... really loud just gotta get used to that one


Odd how Flash/JD dominate so hard and still don't get swell-headed like FBH/Bisu. And Nada didnt exactly get all his titles by being a hard-ass.

Despite being a T player voted JD simply for the fireworks that his VODs and FPVODs display.


Nada does ceremonies still, they are funny as hell when he's brave enough to do them. It isn't so much arrogant in that you have to belittle other players but in the sense that they actually know they are good and they aren't actually afraid to show it. It gives the scene some drama and rivalries that a big sport outlet needs to survive. Being humble all the time just strikes me as a bit uhh.. wrong...

Flash used to be like that actually, he would "yawn" rape people so hard it wasn't even funny. He used to be do whatever he wanted to do build wise and he would win somehow. He could be 3 bases behind against rock and somehow pull 24 goliaths out of his ass and win. Flash fell from grace shortly because he started to 14CC every game. No Terran goes 3 starport against a progamer Zerg without the intention to completely humiliate them. At one point in May Flash was so bored with playing standard that it seemed like he would roll a dice to see what build he would play that day, be it MnM against protoss or any assorted other off the wall crap.. and he'd win with it.

In fact, I'd be brave enough to say that if Flash were on any other team that had some talent to back him up in proleague he would be far and away the best player anyone has ever seen. He combines Saviors game sense with impeccable macro and micro, his schedule just kills him. He would have been the next bonjwa, of that I have no doubt at all, even given the skill level of gamers today.

I've never really considered Jaedong at that level myself. S-Class?, one of the best zergs of all time? Easily, without a doubt, but he does not come to mind when I think of best player of all time.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Chameleon
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States604 Posts
February 23 2009 07:38 GMT
#117
boxer would get my vote anyway but I'm shocked by the absence of a certain golden mouse winner
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frostynine
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden53 Posts
February 23 2009 07:38 GMT
#118
Iloveoov!
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-23 07:51:04
February 23 2009 07:46 GMT
#119
If you don't say Nada you must be misreading the history.

EDIT:
IF; this poll means highest skill someone has had at a single moment of time (closest to playing a perfect game) then it would be savior I think.


else
Nada.

Aqualicy
Profile Joined June 2007
Norway25 Posts
February 23 2009 08:06 GMT
#120
Uhh... Reach? Help?

Even if I probably would autovote Boxer in a poll with no specified context, it would still be nice to have the second best SC/BW player ever at least represented as a goddamn choice.
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