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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On February 23 2009 13:02 Aurioch wrote: Bisu rolled him during his domination erra, and if he was such a champion, he would be able to find his touch back, but he didn't, and don't forget about his humiliation with FirebatHero. Who says he isn't getting his touch back? He's actually doing quite well as of late and still has a shot at the MSL. It doesn't go like "BANG! Here I am again!" Coming out of a slump takes a lot of time and practice. Let's talk again in 6 months. And let's also see if Bisu's even in the power rank by then. Bisu has never even come close to an era of domination in his career. Don't even begin to argue he can compete with the likes of savior for best player ever. | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On February 23 2009 13:03 Aurioch wrote: Yea, Savior was the player to beat, and he got beat, and he sanked, and never got up. I'm mad, sounds like you're slamming your keyboard to me. I simply compare Savior to the likes of Nada, Boxer, and Oov. In comparison to domination, each of those players had their shine. In terms of accomplishment, Savior doesn't even suffice of what Boxer, Nada, and Oov did. It's funny how everyone bashed Bisu saying he's ignorant, and yet it was Savior who said "I will destroy everyone in 2009", so much for everyone, getting pwned by Great yesterday in Winners league. Thank you come again Oh, so you're actually saying he's a bad player because he lost a ZvZ, the most unpredictable match-up in all of starcraft, where basically anyone can beat anyone once in a while? And even to a decent ZvZ player? What is it with you? Btw. you wouldn't remember Bisu's last game against Guemchi, would you? I thought as much. | ||
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Aurioch
United States414 Posts
On February 23 2009 13:08 Mooncat wrote: Who says he isn't getting his touch back? He's actually doing quite well as of late and still has a shot at the MSL. It doesn't go like "BANG! Here I am again!" Coming out of a slump takes a lot of time and practice. Let's talk again in 6 months. And let's also see if Bisu's even in the power rank by then. Bisu has never even come close to an era of domination in his career. Don't even begin to argue he can compete with the likes of savior for best player ever. Are you stupid or something? I only mentioned that Savior got steam rolled by Bisu, I never said Bisu also deserve to be up there... | ||
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Aurioch
United States414 Posts
On February 23 2009 13:11 Mooncat wrote: Oh, so you're actually saying he's a bad player because he lost a ZvZ, the most unpredictable match-up in all of starcraft, where basically anyone can beat anyone once in a while? And even to a decent ZvZ player? What is it with you? Btw. you wouldn't remember Bisu's last game against Guemchi, would you? I thought as much. You might consider reading the last sentence once in a while? | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On February 23 2009 13:02 Aurioch wrote: Bisu rolled him during his domination erra, and if he was such a champion, he would be able to find his touch back, but he didn't, and don't forget about his humiliation with FirebatHero. Everyone, and I mean every single person finds the other guy that has their number. This happens without fail. It sounds to me like if someone doesn't play so well now it detracts from what their former accomplishments are. Boxer fell to Nada, Nada fell to IloveOoV, Iloveoov fell to July, July pretty much fell to Nada again, Nada was finally beaten by Savior, Savior was beaten by Bisu. I don't see Iloveoov around dominating, I don't see boxer around dominating and I don't see Nada in the same shape. This is irrelevant, they were at some point in time absolute monsters and THAT is what matters. Savior was a monster. Yes he got rolled by Bisu the same way Iloveoov got rolled by July. No one begrudges anyone of this besides those weird people who think Savior was actually overrated. Do keep in mind that Savior broke his winning streak from back in 2006-2007. Even the best of progamers LOSE, sometimes 2-3 times in a row! Starcraft is a tough sport to streak in. | ||
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bearbuddy
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Aurioch
United States414 Posts
On February 23 2009 13:24 Jayme wrote: Everyone, and I mean every single person finds the other guy that has their number. This happens without fail. It sounds to me like if someone doesn't play so well now it detracts from what their former accomplishments are. Boxer fell to Nada, Nada fell to IloveOoV, Iloveoov fell to July, July pretty much fell to Nada again, Nada was finally beaten by Savior, Savior was beaten by Bisu. I don't see Iloveoov around dominating, I don't see boxer around dominating and I don't see Nada in the same shape. This is irrelevant, they were at some point in time absolute monsters and THAT is what matters. Savior was a monster. Yes he got rolled by Bisu the same way Iloveoov got rolled by July. No one begrudges anyone of this besides those weird people who think Savior was actually overrated. Do keep in mind that Savior broke his winning streak from back in 2006-2007. Even the best of progamers LOSE, sometimes 2-3 times in a row! Starcraft is a tough sport to streak in. I agree with everything you said. However, I can't stand douchebags that keeps saying bs crap like Bisu is arrogant, Bisu is ignorant. Savior was the one who said he would destroy everyone in 2009, that's a pretty bold statement, and yet he's loosing to random A-Class players? Savior fanboys acted like he's been dominating Starcraft for 1000 years or some shit. Point is, Savior was pwning, got pwned, sanked, and now he has to prove himself. Bisu already proved that he can be a champion once again, but can Savior do the same? | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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Ideas
United States8155 Posts
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On February 23 2009 13:32 Aurioch wrote: I agree with everything you said. However, I can't stand douchebags that keeps saying bs crap like Bisu is arrogant, Bisu is ignorant. Savior was the one who said he would destroy everyone in 2009, that's a pretty bold statement, and yet he's loosing to random A-Class players? Savior fanboys acted like he's been dominating Starcraft for 1000 years or some shit. Point is, Savior was pwning, got pwned, sanked, and now he has to prove himself. Bisu already proved that he can be a champion once again, but can Savior do the same? Bisu was never even a champion of Savior/Oov/Nada's caliber to begin with. And he isn't now. Bisu coming back from a long time of mediocre play to A/S-Class play again and Savior coming back from a real slump after over a year of complete and utter dominance is a whole different story. What Bisu did prove is that he can win starleagues. But as I said earlier, he has never had a longer period of dominance, yet. That's why you can't compare him to the other guys in this poll. He has yet to prove that he can dominante the scene for like ~1year +/- Even though Flash and Jaedong might have less titles than Bisu, they dominate on a different level over a very long time against all three races. That's what makes them special. Heck, Flash is coming close to a 70% career win % | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
Bisu is arrogant. This is something I really liked about him actually, I was fully behind the "Bisu is a badass" wagon for the longest time. Yea I liked Savior but the new Sair/DT multitask way to crush zerg was amazing. The SC scene needs more personalities like Savior/Bisu/FBH that are arrogant because they KNOW they are good and can back up what they say by steamrolling everyone. FBH.. used to be able to steamroll anyway  The only issue a majority of people have with Bisu right now is the whole Bonjwa talk that gets annoying after the 5000th time of hearing it and that one interview where he became probably the first ever upper class player to actually complain about a map. He actually said "Yea I lost because of the maps..." ... He needs to redeem himself after that farce of a comment. Other than that Bisu is ok in my book and I like the guy. The Savior fanboyism is overboard too but the Bisu-Savior brigades are... really loud just gotta get used to that one | ||
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
This needs more candidates. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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Aurioch
United States414 Posts
On February 23 2009 13:35 Avidkeystamper wrote: Bisu is arrogant. That is a fact that can be seen from his interviews, though they have improved recently. Savior lost to one person. You can't generalize that into "random A-class players". That's an overstatement. And Savior isn't? Boldly claiming he'll destroy everyone in 2009, in my book, that's call being over your head and overestimating yourself. | ||
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ShmotZ
United States581 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
On February 23 2009 11:59 Rucky wrote:Oov/Boxer were extremely good, but not in all aspects. Boxer's macro was bad, but amazing micro and Oov is vice versa. oov's micro was not by any means "bad", it was just overshadowed by his brute force macro. oov basically fought every fight (in TvZ specially, and TvP to a degree) with way more units than his opponent. He did a lot of 1a2a3a just cause he could. But if you look for old vods you will see excellent marine micro, splits, and great multitasking. Boxer had bad macro in a time where bad macro was common just cause no one saw the advantage you could get from it with solid builds. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On February 23 2009 14:03 Aurioch wrote: And Savior isn't? Boldly claiming he'll destroy everyone in 2009, in my book, that's call being over your head and overestimating yourself. Wth, how does my comment have anything to do with Savior?, you said you got sick of people saying bs like "Bisu is arrogant". Well, he is. Too bad. | ||
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BreaK
Canada890 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
On February 23 2009 14:08 BreaK wrote: Honestly, this poll might as well be: "Who has the most fans out of all these players?" Might be. I like SaviOr way more than oov, but I voted oov. I guess the Bisu votes have a lot to do with people not being here a while back. iloveoov was IMBA. I remember the amount of crying TL had about people bitching that iloveoov made things boring because no one else would win lol. | ||
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