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United States10774 Posts
On February 23 2009 09:54 IntoTheWow wrote:
I can't believe im one of the only 12 people to vote oov. NaDa would have been my second pick.
What is Bisu even doing in this poll lol
Yeah, wow. I can't believe iloveoov is last place at the moment.
I can't decide between Boxer/NaDa/sAviOr for second place. But throughout the entire time I have been following progaming, nobody was as dominant as oov. Like others have been saying, however, "best" can vary quite a bit.
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voted JD, I think hes technically the most skilled player of all time (just don't really like flash), but really you could make a valid argument for all of those players. Surprised by the number of Boxer votes though
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boxer autovoting destroying this poll
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Tough call really. To be 100% honest though I don't think Boxer deserves to be number 1 in this poll. Boxer is many things, but not the best player ever, no matter how you look at it. I know many people will probably call it blasphemous, but contrary to the other options Boxer always had a particularly weak matchup. Even when he was cream of the crop.
So... best player ever?
Savior in his prime. You can't make up for strategic genius with sheer mechanics. Flash/Nada/oov tied for 2nd place imo. Closely followed by Jaedong. And Bisu well... Sure he's the most accomplished protoss ever, but apart from that, I really don't know why he is even in this poll... Might sound a little harsh, but he has never shown real dominance over a longer period of time imho.
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Best player ever+Poll+ Boxer. Even if he wasn't the best player results wise or even dominance wise, Best is just a general term, and Boxer is the best player in general.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
Every player except Bisu qualifies in one way or another. Even Jaedong to some extent in that opponents have to prepare properly for games against him or they are destroyed, hence his success in Winner's League and the easy time he had in that no-practice-time 256 man tournament.
If no one ever practiced Jaedong would win every title forevermore. Wierd thing to say, I know 
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Valhalla18444 Posts
Seriously though, given every interpretation of the word 'best' and how relevant those things actually are - Nada wins by a large margin
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On February 23 2009 09:44 LordWeird wrote:
By the way I voted NaDa because he easily the most consistent in this whole list. Bisu/Jaedong/Flash don't have the longevity that NaDa does, even if they have quite an impressive list of accomplishments.
Even though NaDa isn't playing like a bonjwa now, he is still around kicking ass and taking games off the best even after all this time in the game.
QUOTED FOR TRUTH
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On February 23 2009 11:09 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Every player except Bisu qualifies in one way or another. Even Jaedong to some extent in that opponents have to prepare properly for games against him or they are destroyed, hence his success in Winner's League and the easy time he had in that no-practice-time 256 man tournament. If no one ever practiced Jaedong would win every title forevermore. Wierd thing to say, I know
Bisu vs anyone on the list in a BO5 = Bisu wins, skill level on the proscene is too high today for the bonjwas to compare. Therefore, he is as worthy as anyone, and gets my vote; fanboism aside.
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is awesome32275 Posts
"best" is relative right now.
Back then this was not true for Oov. Best was not relative to match ups or maps. It was oov and I bet everyone on the opposite booth was fucking scared. They started the games with a psychological disadvantage.
NaDa is the definition of consistency. Still nowadays when he's not playing "very good" he can still win vs most player on any time. He's and icon and a pioneer.
Boxer is a legend. There's no other way to put it.
If they zerg get the "overcome all" motto, it's because of saviOr. I don't think anyone shows this mentality more than him.
Flash is a machine and certainly reminds me of oov sometimes, not because of his play, but because of the sheer dominance he can put. Jaedong has been a favourite vs everyone in any map for how long? He, like Flash carries an entire team on his back and them qualifying for the individual leagues is routine.
It's hard to put Flash and Jaedong in the podium. I would love to see what this player could accomplish on an undeveloped scene like the other guys did. Bisu doesn't belong there imo, like i said.
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is awesome32275 Posts
On February 23 2009 11:29 SUSUGAM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2009 11:09 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Every player except Bisu qualifies in one way or another. Even Jaedong to some extent in that opponents have to prepare properly for games against him or they are destroyed, hence his success in Winner's League and the easy time he had in that no-practice-time 256 man tournament. If no one ever practiced Jaedong would win every title forevermore. Wierd thing to say, I know Bisu vs anyone on the list in a BO5 = Bisu wins, skill level on the proscene is too high today for the bonjwas to compare. Therefore, he is as worthy as anyone, and gets my vote; fanboism aside.
I don't think Bisu is a clear favorite in a series vs Jaedong or Flash.
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Idk. Savior looked pretty unstoppable in his prime. People don't seem to remember how GOOD savior was. I mean 3 MSL's and 1 OSL is pretty good for life time achievment and Saviors still got alot left in him.
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On February 23 2009 09:44 LordWeird wrote:
By the way I voted NaDa because he easily the most consistent in this whole list. Bisu/Jaedong/Flash don't have the longevity that NaDa does, even if they have quite an impressive list of accomplishments.
Even though NaDa isn't playing like a bonjwa now, he is still around kicking ass and taking games off the best even after all this time in the game.
Nada consistent? You gotta be out of your mind
I hope you remember that Nada jumped from 50% win rate to 70% win rate several times, sometimes even 4 months at a time. Although Nada is statistically the greatest player ever he was not consistent.
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On February 23 2009 11:41 IntoTheWow wrote:
"best" is relative right now.
Back then this was not true for Oov. Best was not relative to match ups or maps. It was oov and I bet everyone on the opposite booth was fucking scared. They started the games with a psychological disadvantage.
NaDa is the definition of consistency. Still nowadays when he's not playing "very good" he can still win vs most player on any time. He's and icon and a pioneer.
Boxer is a legend. There's no other way to put it.
If they zerg get the "overcome all" motto, it's because of saviOr. I don't think anyone shows this mentality more than him.
Flash is a machine and certainly reminds me of oov sometimes, not because of his play, but because of the sheer dominance he can put. Jaedong has been a favourite vs everyone in any map for how long? He, like Flash carries an entire team on his back and them qualifying for the individual leagues is routine.
It's hard to put Flash and Jaedong in the podium. I would love to see what this player could accomplish on an undeveloped scene like the other guys did. Bisu doesn't belong there imo, like i said.
Bisu is by far more accomplished and dominate than flash and jaedong. The bisu bonjwa chatter is always in the background, wheres the flash bonjwa or jd bonjwa talk? People jsut dont even bother.
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How do Flash and oov have so few votes? Technically, they are the most dominant players in history (especially oov).
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EPT
