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Valhalla18444 Posts
On March 01 2009 23:20 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 22:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On March 01 2009 22:35 raga4ka wrote:On March 01 2009 22:25 Zinbiel wrote:On March 01 2009 22:11 raga4ka wrote:On March 01 2009 21:14 VioleTAK wrote:On March 01 2009 21:10 Malinor wrote:
My logic is that Bisu and JDs performances have been comparably well this month. And then it comes down to this showmatch. And this is why I think the winner deserves the first spot.
I just don't see how that showmatch tips the scale who so clearly favores Bisu this month onto Jaedong's side... Well its not Jaedong making that huge blunder but Bisu . Games like this need to be taken in to account more , if you think that the games ended in a draw i don't , because Jaedong won the psychological warfare and thus the last game . Which means that Jaedong's nerves are stronger then Bisu in a series . Bisu fucked up and yes his superness should be somewhat lessened for this reason. However not so much that it makes up for Bisu's tournament win this month etc. The best argument that could be made for Jaedong topping Bisu in PR after tonight's game is game 2 imo. Because as jaedong played that game I am 95% certain no protoss in the world could touch him and that adds quite a bit to his aura of fearsomeness. I don't think that Jaedong's ZvP is invincible especially after that series . He needs to start dominating protoss like before for me to thing that his ZvP is invincible again . i'm actually worried that Stork might beat him in their upcoming series , i think JD is definitly the favourite , but not by a large margin . Stork's PvZ is not weak although some people make it sound that way . If Jaedong plays even a fraction of how well he played in that series, Stork is completely fucked I kind of disagree. I know Bisu was somewhat joking in his "grading" of Jaedong, but Jaedong's macro does suffer in comparison to his other areas. And with preparation(1 game per week format), it's quite possible for Stork to literally practice every single contingency, and stop any early game aggression. Once in the late game, Stork would have enough map control and minimize the weakest part of his PvZ, his lack of game sense. That said, Stork has to take the series 2-0 because there's no chance for him to win the third game. So when I say Stork has a chance, it's still a very slight one.
Uhh, you're wrong on basically everything. You should know better than to give meaningless numbers assigned by Bisu any credit.
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Bisu and Jaedong are tied 3-3 in the last 6 matches they had. So for now I say they are about even.
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On March 01 2009 23:33 zhaoli86 wrote:
Bisu and Jaedong are tied 3-3 in the last 6 matches they had. So for now I say they are about even.
No because that proleague and series play are two entirely different beasts. There aren't many players in the world better than Bisu at playing a series as opposed to individual games but JD is one of them.
JD was better that series, I guess, I need to watch the games more. I understand one of them was just a giant fuck up. So that means that it could be that Bisu one two and JD won two and Bisu lost one, while we have no idea how that one WOULD have turned out.
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On March 01 2009 21:50 Polar_Bear wrote:
@Jaeden:
we all know... Bisu isn't clearly #1 and Jaedong's poo smells like flowers... anything else!?
sorry for being a JD-hater :D
just imagine JD playing forgg...
+ Show Spoiler +well first of all JD would win against forgg atm, at least that's what I think...anything could happen. (forGG played VERY WELL in that SL, and he had a tough path) Secondly, I hate u  . On a serious note, that poll with Bisu's fanboys being the most annoying... I completely agree with it. However, as I posted in that thread, I was preparing a DancingJaedong pic, but after that game, I was so disappointed that I've let it go. I saw the Bisu fanboys complaining as always, but for the first time(maybe?) I wasn`t mad at them because I knew their feeling. That 5th game was pathetic. Even I was very disappointed because I was expecting some stylish queens( blablabla ). I agree with Bisu being #1, so what's the problem here ? Are u suggesting that JD doesn`t deserve #2/ Jd is a noob, and Bisu is a clear favorite against him, or what ?
edit: marked with spoilers just in case 
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On March 01 2009 23:53 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 23:33 zhaoli86 wrote:
Bisu and Jaedong are tied 3-3 in the last 6 matches they had. So for now I say they are about even. No because that proleague and series play are two entirely different beasts. There aren't many players in the world better than Bisu at playing a series as opposed to individual games but JD is one of them. JD was better that series, I guess, I need to watch the games more. I understand one of them was just a giant fuck up. So that means that it could be that Bisu one two and JD won two and Bisu lost one, while we have no idea how that one WOULD have turned out.
uhm, yeah, I get it. That game was very frustrating, but please stop this "what WOULD be if..." thing. This is the reason why everyone hates Bisu's fanboys
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Valhalla18444 Posts
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jaedong for #1 on power rankkkkk >.<
i loved the game on destination.
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I think Bisu will still remain #1, first four games are just showed that these guys are the best 2 players in the world.
For game 5, forget it, fuck
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
Steve already said that Bisu will be #1 and there's no doubt about that.
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On March 01 2009 23:20 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 22:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On March 01 2009 22:35 raga4ka wrote:On March 01 2009 22:25 Zinbiel wrote:On March 01 2009 22:11 raga4ka wrote:On March 01 2009 21:14 VioleTAK wrote:On March 01 2009 21:10 Malinor wrote:
My logic is that Bisu and JDs performances have been comparably well this month. And then it comes down to this showmatch. And this is why I think the winner deserves the first spot.
I just don't see how that showmatch tips the scale who so clearly favores Bisu this month onto Jaedong's side... Well its not Jaedong making that huge blunder but Bisu . Games like this need to be taken in to account more , if you think that the games ended in a draw i don't , because Jaedong won the psychological warfare and thus the last game . Which means that Jaedong's nerves are stronger then Bisu in a series . Bisu fucked up and yes his superness should be somewhat lessened for this reason. However not so much that it makes up for Bisu's tournament win this month etc. The best argument that could be made for Jaedong topping Bisu in PR after tonight's game is game 2 imo. Because as jaedong played that game I am 95% certain no protoss in the world could touch him and that adds quite a bit to his aura of fearsomeness. I don't think that Jaedong's ZvP is invincible especially after that series . He needs to start dominating protoss like before for me to thing that his ZvP is invincible again . i'm actually worried that Stork might beat him in their upcoming series , i think JD is definitly the favourite , but not by a large margin . Stork's PvZ is not weak although some people make it sound that way . If Jaedong plays even a fraction of how well he played in that series, Stork is completely fucked I kind of disagree. I know Bisu was somewhat joking in his "grading" of Jaedong, but Jaedong's macro does suffer in comparison to his other areas. And with preparation(1 game per week format), it's quite possible for Stork to literally practice every single contingency, and stop any early game aggression. Once in the late game, Stork would have enough map control and minimize the weakest part of his PvZ, his lack of game sense. That said, Stork has to take the series 2-0 because there's no chance for him to win the third game. So when I say Stork has a chance, it's still a very slight one.
So basically what you're saying is that Jaedong has about a 15 on control and a mere 8 on macro...? Those numbers are arbitrary, Jaedong's macro is above and beyond S-Class and really, that's all he needs. His specialty is multi-tasking and micro but it's not as if his macro fails on huge levels. He's not a sauron-zerg but he doesn't need that.
Stork lacks fundamental early game PvZ sometimes but his defense has been stellar. Unlike Kwanro though... Jaedong's mid-late game ZvP is phenomenal.
I always thought that Power Rank was judged on performance and not on head to head matchups. Jaedong will probably always beat Bisu in BoX's simply because he's better at it than Bisu... I still consider Bisu the better player currently given his performance, as much as it pains me to admit that.
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Who will be doing the upcoming PR and when will it come out?
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On March 02 2009 02:28 zhaoli86 wrote:
Who will be doing the upcoming PR and when will it come out?
Given FakeSteve's activity in here, I take it he will be writing it. When? I'm not sure if he even knows that himself 
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Valhalla18444 Posts
I'm writing it, with input from Mani because we are both so fucking enthralled by SC right now.
Expect it in a day or two, not six or seven. I've arrived in Singapore, there's no reason for delay
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nice, im really excited for the top5.
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Bisu
Jaedong
Jangbi
Luxury
Flash
I guess :o
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United States12398 Posts
On March 01 2009 23:53 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 23:33 zhaoli86 wrote:
Bisu and Jaedong are tied 3-3 in the last 6 matches they had. So for now I say they are about even. No because that proleague and series play are two entirely different beasts. There aren't many players in the world better than Bisu at playing a series as opposed to individual games but JD is one of them. JD was better that series, I guess, I need to watch the games more. I understand one of them was just a giant fuck up. So that means that it could be that Bisu one two and JD won two and Bisu lost one, while we have no idea how that one WOULD have turned out.
True. But let me put some Bisu-Biased spin on that.
Neo Harmony, ZvP: 9-4
Andromeda, ZvP: 43-27
Destination, ZvP: 32-31
Medusa, ZvP: 30-33
Collosseum 2, ZvP: 13-16
Andromeda, ZvP: 43-27
Those are the maps that Jaedong and Bisu played each other on in the past few days. Notice, that half the maps seem balanced, and the other half are Z>P maps. Even in the face face of the maps favoring Jaedong so much, Bisu won 3 of them, and two of those wins were on the imbalanced maps. Jaedong did win the series, I won't take that away from him. Bisu fucked the last game up. But I think it is a huge tribute to Bisu to being able to go 3-3 vs Jaedong when the maps were against them like they were.
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On March 02 2009 04:26 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 23:53 DamageControL wrote:On March 01 2009 23:33 zhaoli86 wrote:
Bisu and Jaedong are tied 3-3 in the last 6 matches they had. So for now I say they are about even. No because that proleague and series play are two entirely different beasts. There aren't many players in the world better than Bisu at playing a series as opposed to individual games but JD is one of them. JD was better that series, I guess, I need to watch the games more. I understand one of them was just a giant fuck up. So that means that it could be that Bisu one two and JD won two and Bisu lost one, while we have no idea how that one WOULD have turned out. True. But let me put some Bisu-Biased spin on that. Neo Harmony, ZvP: 9-4 Andromeda, ZvP: 43-27 Destination, ZvP: 32-31 Medusa, ZvP: 30-33 Collosseum 2, ZvP: 13-16 Andromeda, ZvP: 43-27 Those are the maps that Jaedong and Bisu played each other on in the past few days. Notice, that half the maps seem balanced, and the other half are Z>P maps. Even in the face face of the maps favoring Jaedong so much, Bisu won 3 of them, and two of those wins were on the imbalanced maps. Jaedong did win the series, I won't take that away from him. Bisu fucked the last game up. But I think it is a huge tribute to Bisu to being able to go 3-3 vs Jaedong when the maps were against them like they were.
Yeah, imagine if Andromeda was a balanced map. We all know it's much harder to press hold position when the map you're playing on favors your opponent.
I don't understand why people feel the need to reduce a series like that to map balance.
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On March 02 2009 04:46 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2009 04:26 Sentenal wrote:On March 01 2009 23:53 DamageControL wrote:On March 01 2009 23:33 zhaoli86 wrote:
Bisu and Jaedong are tied 3-3 in the last 6 matches they had. So for now I say they are about even. No because that proleague and series play are two entirely different beasts. There aren't many players in the world better than Bisu at playing a series as opposed to individual games but JD is one of them. JD was better that series, I guess, I need to watch the games more. I understand one of them was just a giant fuck up. So that means that it could be that Bisu one two and JD won two and Bisu lost one, while we have no idea how that one WOULD have turned out. True. But let me put some Bisu-Biased spin on that. Neo Harmony, ZvP: 9-4 Andromeda, ZvP: 43-27 Destination, ZvP: 32-31 Medusa, ZvP: 30-33 Collosseum 2, ZvP: 13-16 Andromeda, ZvP: 43-27 Those are the maps that Jaedong and Bisu played each other on in the past few days. Notice, that half the maps seem balanced, and the other half are Z>P maps. Even in the face face of the maps favoring Jaedong so much, Bisu won 3 of them, and two of those wins were on the imbalanced maps. Jaedong did win the series, I won't take that away from him. Bisu fucked the last game up. But I think it is a huge tribute to Bisu to being able to go 3-3 vs Jaedong when the maps were against them like they were. Yeah, imagine if Andromeda was a balanced map. We all know it's much harder to press hold position when the map you're playing on favors your opponent. I don't understand why people feel the need to reduce a series like that to map balance.
haha
no but really the maps aren`t that big of a deal in this case. Bisu has a great record on Andromeda, while JD doesn`t (at least in those stats that GomTV provided). Also medusa seems impossible, but it's just my feeling. Neo Harmony probably is a little too imba. Also JD seems to play well on Colosseum
Anyway, what I`m trying to say is that those maps are playable. It`s not like there was TotM on the map pool
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On March 02 2009 04:26 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 23:53 DamageControL wrote:On March 01 2009 23:33 zhaoli86 wrote:
Bisu and Jaedong are tied 3-3 in the last 6 matches they had. So for now I say they are about even. No because that proleague and series play are two entirely different beasts. There aren't many players in the world better than Bisu at playing a series as opposed to individual games but JD is one of them. JD was better that series, I guess, I need to watch the games more. I understand one of them was just a giant fuck up. So that means that it could be that Bisu one two and JD won two and Bisu lost one, while we have no idea how that one WOULD have turned out. True. But let me put some Bisu-Biased spin on that. Neo Harmony, ZvP: 9-4 Andromeda, ZvP: 43-27 Destination, ZvP: 32-31 Medusa, ZvP: 30-33 Collosseum 2, ZvP: 13-16 Andromeda, ZvP: 43-27 Those are the maps that Jaedong and Bisu played each other on in the past few days. Notice, that half the maps seem balanced, and the other half are Z>P maps. Even in the face face of the maps favoring Jaedong so much, Bisu won 3 of them, and two of those wins were on the imbalanced maps. Jaedong did win the series, I won't take that away from him. Bisu fucked the last game up. But I think it is a huge tribute to Bisu to being able to go 3-3 vs Jaedong when the maps were against them like they were.
Yes because maps really matter to S-class gamers at all. Perhaps you've missed Flash and his 7-1 against protoss on Medusa?
Map imbalance applies to less than amazing players, the amazing ones find their ways around just about anything.
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