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traced
Profile Joined October 2007
1739 Posts
March 03 2009 00:55 GMT
#621
i think the maps were balanced enough that the advantage for each map was determined by playstyle - destination for jaedong, medusa for bisu. tbh, i still think, under standard circumstances, bisu had the advantages on andromeda and collosseum...
Nylan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States795 Posts
March 03 2009 01:06 GMT
#622
I got excited to see the new PR when I realized it was March...

...then I remembered that February was a freak accident. Guess I can wait
BeSt/Pure/Canata/Calm - I believe in Doh Jae Wook
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
March 03 2009 01:31 GMT
#623
On March 03 2009 05:33 Polar_Bear wrote:

I think JD is at 2 golds and 1 silver in starleagues. WCG Korea isn't a SL and the first GSL wasn't even a Kespa tournament. A SC tournament without the big team is like swimming olympics without Michael Phelps...


Dude, those 2 tournaments might not have been Kespa tournaments at the time, but how is it fair to rate Bisu's gold in GSL season 2 more important than JD's gold in GSL season 1? (The opponents were just as tough, and Jaedong had to face FLASH in his worst matchup, ZvT, while Bisu had to face Jangbi, in PvP, arguably one of his best matchups.)

Just because it wasn't Kespa sanctioned at the time doesn't take away any level of difficulty or anything. That analogy fails because the players JD had to face in season 1 was just as tough as players Bisu had to face at season 2. Its not the team that is fearsome, its the players that create the team.


On the other hand, I think Bisu should be #1 PR next month and Jaedong #2 PR even though I like both (I like JD a little more) because I feel like Bisu has been on fire lately. And they faced each other right before this match, where Bisu won. So the score is really 3-3 tied for this PR. And I think Bisu's performance was better than Jaedong's performance for this month.
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
March 03 2009 02:13 GMT
#624
On March 03 2009 10:31 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 05:33 Polar_Bear wrote:

I think JD is at 2 golds and 1 silver in starleagues. WCG Korea isn't a SL and the first GSL wasn't even a Kespa tournament. A SC tournament without the big team is like swimming olympics without Michael Phelps...


Dude, those 2 tournaments might not have been Kespa tournaments at the time, but how is it fair to rate Bisu's gold in GSL season 2 more important than JD's gold in GSL season 1? (The opponents were just as tough, and Jaedong had to face FLASH in his worst matchup, ZvT, while Bisu had to face Jangbi, in PvP, arguably one of his best matchups.)

Just because it wasn't Kespa sanctioned at the time doesn't take away any level of difficulty or anything. That analogy fails because the players JD had to face in season 1 was just as tough as players Bisu had to face at season 2. Its not the team that is fearsome, its the players that create the team.


On the other hand, I think Bisu should be #1 PR next month and Jaedong #2 PR even though I like both (I like JD a little more) because I feel like Bisu has been on fire lately. And they faced each other right before this match, where Bisu won. So the score is really 3-3 tied for this PR. And I think Bisu's performance was better than Jaedong's performance for this month.


Well the first tournament only had 7 of the teams participating in it and this season it had 10 which did make the competition that much harder. A lot of good players didn't get a chance that first season and many a few didn't this season, but the competition is much harder. I mean hell, Shuttle and Backho made it to ro4 the year Jaedong won. A few good players most notably Luxury, Yarnc, Leta, and Light did not get to participate this season, but for the most part all of the best were participating.

So yes, the level as difficulty and number of opponents was much more difficult for Bisu. I am pretty sure having to beat Flash, Skyhigh, and Jangbi is more impressive than have to beat Lomo, Shuttle, and Flash.

As for this months rank, I don't have the time to write explanations, but if you have a question feel free to ask

1. Bisu
2. Jaedong
3. Jangbi
4. Flash
5. Luxury
6. Leta
7. Stork
8. Light (look at this guys record recently its really good)
9. Hyvaa
10. Hwasin

Yeah main suprise and thing I would like Steve to take a look at is that I really think Light deserves a spot. MBC Hero has really turned its performance around with Light now leading them.
plan3t
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada75 Posts
March 03 2009 02:17 GMT
#625
I hope that Sea doesn't just jump to number 1 again for all-killing ACE.
You guys sure love your Sea, though.
wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-03 02:22:39
March 03 2009 02:20 GMT
#626
On March 03 2009 11:13 Nick_54 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On March 03 2009 10:31 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 05:33 Polar_Bear wrote:
I think JD is at 2 golds and 1 silver in starleagues. WCG Korea isn't a SL and the first GSL wasn't even a Kespa tournament. A SC tournament without the big team is like swimming olympics without Michael Phelps...


Dude, those 2 tournaments might not have been Kespa tournaments at the time, but how is it fair to rate Bisu's gold in GSL season 2 more important than JD's gold in GSL season 1? (The opponents were just as tough, and Jaedong had to face FLASH in his worst matchup, ZvT, while Bisu had to face Jangbi, in PvP, arguably one of his best matchups.)

Just because it wasn't Kespa sanctioned at the time doesn't take away any level of difficulty or anything. That analogy fails because the players JD had to face in season 1 was just as tough as players Bisu had to face at season 2. Its not the team that is fearsome, its the players that create the team.


On the other hand, I think Bisu should be #1 PR next month and Jaedong #2 PR even though I like both (I like JD a little more) because I feel like Bisu has been on fire lately. And they faced each other right before this match, where Bisu won. So the score is really 3-3 tied for this PR. And I think Bisu's performance was better than Jaedong's performance for this month.


Well the first tournament only had 7 of the teams participating in it and this season it had 10 which did make the competition that much harder. A lot of good players didn't get a chance that first season and many a few didn't this season, but the competition is much harder. I mean hell, Shuttle and Backho made it to ro4 the year Jaedong won. A few good players most notably Luxury, Yarnc, Leta, and Light did not get to participate this season, but for the most part all of the best were participating.

So yes, the level as difficulty and number of opponents was much more difficult for Bisu. I am pretty sure having to beat Flash, Skyhigh, and Jangbi is more impressive than have to beat Lomo, Shuttle, and Flash.

As for this months rank, I don't have the time to write explanations, but if you have a question feel free to ask

1. Bisu
2. Jaedong
3. Jangbi
4. Flash
5. Luxury
6. Leta
7. Stork
8. Light (look at this guys record recently its really good)
9. Hyvaa
10. Hwasin

Yeah main suprise and thing I would like Steve to take a look at is that I really think Light deserves a spot. MBC Hero has really turned its performance around with Light now leading them.

Only 9 teams participated this time, and 1 was ace so it might as well have been 8. (Ace was eliminated by the time seeds entered the tournament, except Mumyung who lost to Rock)
Spoilers are for post size.

On March 03 2009 11:17 plan3t wrote:
I hope that Sea doesn't just jump to number 1 again for all-killing ACE.
You guys sure love your Sea, though.

That was a f*#%ing joke. How dense are you to not realize that.
Lockon Stratos
Profile Joined February 2009
United States126 Posts
March 03 2009 02:29 GMT
#627
So where is Flash going to end up with respect to Jaedong? Because Flash beat Jaedong both times they met this month but Jaedong is still in a SL. In this situation do you determine the order by their 2 matches or by purely looking at their SL performance?
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
March 03 2009 02:45 GMT
#628
You just look at how they're playing when the PR comes out and you use the entire months result to gauge that. I'm guessing flash will either be 2 or 3 spots lower than Jaedong, I'm going with 2.
Jaedong
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
March 03 2009 03:23 GMT
#629
On March 03 2009 11:29 Lockon Stratos wrote:
So where is Flash going to end up with respect to Jaedong? Because Flash beat Jaedong both times they met this month but Jaedong is still in a SL. In this situation do you determine the order by their 2 matches or by purely looking at their SL performance?

No way Flash can be above Jaedong after dropping both OSL and MSL.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
March 03 2009 04:27 GMT
#630
On March 02 2009 14:12 Jaeden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 05:49 fanatacist wrote:
I agree with Steve, and disagree with a load of other people. I think Bisu is still the absolute best player in a BoX series. Game 5 was the worst mistake he has ever made in a televised match as far as I can recall, but it wasn't due to nerves. This man has been to the finals and won them enough times for nerves to be non-factor for either of them - both had -_- faces. Maybe -_-; at the end.

There is a reason Bisu has 4 golds and 1 silver in major leagues unlike Stork who has 6 silvers and 2 golds. Jaedong has 4* golds and 2 silvers, which is definitely comparable. He is also very good at BoX series, but Bisu's 4-1 gold-silver domination simply tells me of a mastery of an art. There have not been many other BoX matches that Bisu lost since his first gold medal. Jaedong however is famous for always finishing 1-3 or 3-1, which isn't that great in terms of consistency - he either rapes or gets raped. Today was the first day he was pushed beyond that, and game 5 (BISU'S MISTAKE, I ACKNOWLEDGE) left that as a question.

I think Bisu is the best player out there right now, and by extension the best player (in terms of overall skill) to have ever played the game. Jaedong is VERY close. So is Flash. But Bisu is definitely #1 this month. Jaedong is definitely #2. If Flash wasn't eliminated from both leagues, I'm sure he would be #3. That's how it is right now - it's like what used to be the place of a bonjwa is taken up by 3 people right now, sitting on top of a serfdom of other players. And Bisu's results and record since Jan 1st tell me that he is sitting just an inch higher than the other two.


EDIT: Fixed Jaedong's medal count, forgot about GOM Classic #1.

EDIT 2: Let's all pray for JD vs. Bisu OSL finals. I would love to see that more than anything, this time without any serious slips like probe sneaking by and seeing EVERYthing while Jaedong has 12+ lings, and Bisu's ramp block rofl.

nah ur right JD has only 3 golds, the wcg doesn`t really count. Also he has 1 silver, one is from ODT

I felt that way too but I didn't want to come off as biased to JD fans n_n;
Peace~
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
March 03 2009 11:39 GMT
#631
On March 03 2009 13:27 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2009 14:12 Jaeden wrote:
On March 02 2009 05:49 fanatacist wrote:
I agree with Steve, and disagree with a load of other people. I think Bisu is still the absolute best player in a BoX series. Game 5 was the worst mistake he has ever made in a televised match as far as I can recall, but it wasn't due to nerves. This man has been to the finals and won them enough times for nerves to be non-factor for either of them - both had -_- faces. Maybe -_-; at the end.

There is a reason Bisu has 4 golds and 1 silver in major leagues unlike Stork who has 6 silvers and 2 golds. Jaedong has 4* golds and 2 silvers, which is definitely comparable. He is also very good at BoX series, but Bisu's 4-1 gold-silver domination simply tells me of a mastery of an art. There have not been many other BoX matches that Bisu lost since his first gold medal. Jaedong however is famous for always finishing 1-3 or 3-1, which isn't that great in terms of consistency - he either rapes or gets raped. Today was the first day he was pushed beyond that, and game 5 (BISU'S MISTAKE, I ACKNOWLEDGE) left that as a question.

I think Bisu is the best player out there right now, and by extension the best player (in terms of overall skill) to have ever played the game. Jaedong is VERY close. So is Flash. But Bisu is definitely #1 this month. Jaedong is definitely #2. If Flash wasn't eliminated from both leagues, I'm sure he would be #3. That's how it is right now - it's like what used to be the place of a bonjwa is taken up by 3 people right now, sitting on top of a serfdom of other players. And Bisu's results and record since Jan 1st tell me that he is sitting just an inch higher than the other two.


EDIT: Fixed Jaedong's medal count, forgot about GOM Classic #1.

EDIT 2: Let's all pray for JD vs. Bisu OSL finals. I would love to see that more than anything, this time without any serious slips like probe sneaking by and seeing EVERYthing while Jaedong has 12+ lings, and Bisu's ramp block rofl.

nah ur right JD has only 3 golds, the wcg doesn`t really count. Also he has 1 silver, one is from ODT

I felt that way too but I didn't want to come off as biased to JD fans n_n;


I mostly agree with this. Bisu is one step ahead in terms of consistancy to perform at his best level of play than flash and jaedong.
However when all of them play their very best bisu, in my oppinion, is the worst out of them.


According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-03 12:37:11
March 03 2009 12:34 GMT
#632
On March 03 2009 20:39 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 13:27 fanatacist wrote:
On March 02 2009 14:12 Jaeden wrote:
On March 02 2009 05:49 fanatacist wrote:
I agree with Steve, and disagree with a load of other people. I think Bisu is still the absolute best player in a BoX series. Game 5 was the worst mistake he has ever made in a televised match as far as I can recall, but it wasn't due to nerves. This man has been to the finals and won them enough times for nerves to be non-factor for either of them - both had -_- faces. Maybe -_-; at the end.

There is a reason Bisu has 4 golds and 1 silver in major leagues unlike Stork who has 6 silvers and 2 golds. Jaedong has 4* golds and 2 silvers, which is definitely comparable. He is also very good at BoX series, but Bisu's 4-1 gold-silver domination simply tells me of a mastery of an art. There have not been many other BoX matches that Bisu lost since his first gold medal. Jaedong however is famous for always finishing 1-3 or 3-1, which isn't that great in terms of consistency - he either rapes or gets raped. Today was the first day he was pushed beyond that, and game 5 (BISU'S MISTAKE, I ACKNOWLEDGE) left that as a question.

I think Bisu is the best player out there right now, and by extension the best player (in terms of overall skill) to have ever played the game. Jaedong is VERY close. So is Flash. But Bisu is definitely #1 this month. Jaedong is definitely #2. If Flash wasn't eliminated from both leagues, I'm sure he would be #3. That's how it is right now - it's like what used to be the place of a bonjwa is taken up by 3 people right now, sitting on top of a serfdom of other players. And Bisu's results and record since Jan 1st tell me that he is sitting just an inch higher than the other two.


EDIT: Fixed Jaedong's medal count, forgot about GOM Classic #1.

EDIT 2: Let's all pray for JD vs. Bisu OSL finals. I would love to see that more than anything, this time without any serious slips like probe sneaking by and seeing EVERYthing while Jaedong has 12+ lings, and Bisu's ramp block rofl.

nah ur right JD has only 3 golds, the wcg doesn`t really count. Also he has 1 silver, one is from ODT

I felt that way too but I didn't want to come off as biased to JD fans n_n;


I mostly agree with this. Bisu is one step ahead in terms of consistancy to perform at his best level of play than flash and jaedong.
However when all of them play their very best bisu, in my oppinion, is the worst out of them.




I think thats because Flash and Jaedong prepare harder for WL then Bisu , but thats just my thought . Bisu is still a monster in WL too . Well as of late KTF and Lecaf have mostly been sending Flash/Jaedong at the last sets probably not to overwork them ? Bisu is sent whenever the map is good for protoss and that way he is catching up with Flash and Jaedong pretty fast in WL or is it just that SKT has been failing a lot more recently and they are relying on Bisu to win them the series .
Nylan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States795 Posts
March 03 2009 14:53 GMT
#633
On March 03 2009 12:23 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 11:29 Lockon Stratos wrote:
So where is Flash going to end up with respect to Jaedong? Because Flash beat Jaedong both times they met this month but Jaedong is still in a SL. In this situation do you determine the order by their 2 matches or by purely looking at their SL performance?

No way Flash can be above Jaedong after dropping both OSL and MSL.


Have you been watching WL? Kid is an overworked beast. Someone call the social workers.
BeSt/Pure/Canata/Calm - I believe in Doh Jae Wook
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
March 03 2009 14:59 GMT
#634
This by.hero guy is really impressing me maybe you can add him in the CBNC ?
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
March 03 2009 16:24 GMT
#635
On March 03 2009 23:53 Nylan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 12:23 Sentenal wrote:
On March 03 2009 11:29 Lockon Stratos wrote:
So where is Flash going to end up with respect to Jaedong? Because Flash beat Jaedong both times they met this month but Jaedong is still in a SL. In this situation do you determine the order by their 2 matches or by purely looking at their SL performance?

No way Flash can be above Jaedong after dropping both OSL and MSL.


Have you been watching WL? Kid is an overworked beast. Someone call the social workers.


and what ? overworked or not, he didnt perform well in SL and thus deserves to be ranked lower than LJD
Terran & Potato Salad.
Kong John
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark1020 Posts
March 03 2009 16:27 GMT
#636
On March 03 2009 20:39 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 13:27 fanatacist wrote:
On March 02 2009 14:12 Jaeden wrote:
On March 02 2009 05:49 fanatacist wrote:
I agree with Steve, and disagree with a load of other people. I think Bisu is still the absolute best player in a BoX series. Game 5 was the worst mistake he has ever made in a televised match as far as I can recall, but it wasn't due to nerves. This man has been to the finals and won them enough times for nerves to be non-factor for either of them - both had -_- faces. Maybe -_-; at the end.

There is a reason Bisu has 4 golds and 1 silver in major leagues unlike Stork who has 6 silvers and 2 golds. Jaedong has 4* golds and 2 silvers, which is definitely comparable. He is also very good at BoX series, but Bisu's 4-1 gold-silver domination simply tells me of a mastery of an art. There have not been many other BoX matches that Bisu lost since his first gold medal. Jaedong however is famous for always finishing 1-3 or 3-1, which isn't that great in terms of consistency - he either rapes or gets raped. Today was the first day he was pushed beyond that, and game 5 (BISU'S MISTAKE, I ACKNOWLEDGE) left that as a question.

I think Bisu is the best player out there right now, and by extension the best player (in terms of overall skill) to have ever played the game. Jaedong is VERY close. So is Flash. But Bisu is definitely #1 this month. Jaedong is definitely #2. If Flash wasn't eliminated from both leagues, I'm sure he would be #3. That's how it is right now - it's like what used to be the place of a bonjwa is taken up by 3 people right now, sitting on top of a serfdom of other players. And Bisu's results and record since Jan 1st tell me that he is sitting just an inch higher than the other two.


EDIT: Fixed Jaedong's medal count, forgot about GOM Classic #1.

EDIT 2: Let's all pray for JD vs. Bisu OSL finals. I would love to see that more than anything, this time without any serious slips like probe sneaking by and seeing EVERYthing while Jaedong has 12+ lings, and Bisu's ramp block rofl.

nah ur right JD has only 3 golds, the wcg doesn`t really count. Also he has 1 silver, one is from ODT

I felt that way too but I didn't want to come off as biased to JD fans n_n;


I mostly agree with this. Bisu is one step ahead in terms of consistancy to perform at his best level of play than flash and jaedong.
However when all of them play their very best bisu, in my oppinion, is the worst out of them.




I really agree here, Bisu probably should get 1# for this month but i still think that hes the worst of the best
This is real life, where nerds must battle!
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
March 03 2009 17:30 GMT
#637
On March 03 2009 23:53 Nylan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 12:23 Sentenal wrote:
On March 03 2009 11:29 Lockon Stratos wrote:
So where is Flash going to end up with respect to Jaedong? Because Flash beat Jaedong both times they met this month but Jaedong is still in a SL. In this situation do you determine the order by their 2 matches or by purely looking at their SL performance?

No way Flash can be above Jaedong after dropping both OSL and MSL.


Have you been watching WL? Kid is an overworked beast. Someone call the social workers.

And JD,Bisu,Jangbi aren't overworked? Without them their teams never win(today was an exception otherwise usually when they lose,their team is fucked)
Lockon Stratos
Profile Joined February 2009
United States126 Posts
March 03 2009 17:33 GMT
#638
On March 04 2009 01:24 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2009 23:53 Nylan wrote:
On March 03 2009 12:23 Sentenal wrote:
On March 03 2009 11:29 Lockon Stratos wrote:
So where is Flash going to end up with respect to Jaedong? Because Flash beat Jaedong both times they met this month but Jaedong is still in a SL. In this situation do you determine the order by their 2 matches or by purely looking at their SL performance?

No way Flash can be above Jaedong after dropping both OSL and MSL.


Have you been watching WL? Kid is an overworked beast. Someone call the social workers.


and what ? overworked or not, he didnt perform well in SL and thus deserves to be ranked lower than LJD

He will probably end up ranked lower, but he definitely doesn't deserve to be, Jaedong could not stop Flash last month.
animus123
Profile Joined January 2009
United States171 Posts
March 03 2009 18:00 GMT
#639
On March 04 2009 02:33 Lockon Stratos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2009 01:24 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On March 03 2009 23:53 Nylan wrote:
On March 03 2009 12:23 Sentenal wrote:
On March 03 2009 11:29 Lockon Stratos wrote:
So where is Flash going to end up with respect to Jaedong? Because Flash beat Jaedong both times they met this month but Jaedong is still in a SL. In this situation do you determine the order by their 2 matches or by purely looking at their SL performance?

No way Flash can be above Jaedong after dropping both OSL and MSL.


Have you been watching WL? Kid is an overworked beast. Someone call the social workers.


and what ? overworked or not, he didnt perform well in SL and thus deserves to be ranked lower than LJD

He will probably end up ranked lower, but he definitely doesn't deserve to be, Jaedong could not stop Flash last month.


hey bisu can't stop by.hero, he should definitely be number one. But srsly, flash is out of both SL's, which simply count for more than PL. The people he lost to also matter, because he lost in his supposed best matchup TvT.

1. Bisu
2. Jaedong(barely missed #1)
3.
4. Jangbi
5. Luxury
6. Stork
7. Flash
8-10. Who cares.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-03 18:05:49
March 03 2009 18:05 GMT
#640
On March 04 2009 02:33 Lockon Stratos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2009 01:24 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
On March 03 2009 23:53 Nylan wrote:
On March 03 2009 12:23 Sentenal wrote:
On March 03 2009 11:29 Lockon Stratos wrote:
So where is Flash going to end up with respect to Jaedong? Because Flash beat Jaedong both times they met this month but Jaedong is still in a SL. In this situation do you determine the order by their 2 matches or by purely looking at their SL performance?

No way Flash can be above Jaedong after dropping both OSL and MSL.


Have you been watching WL? Kid is an overworked beast. Someone call the social workers.


and what ? overworked or not, he didnt perform well in SL and thus deserves to be ranked lower than LJD

He will probably end up ranked lower, but he definitely doesn't deserve to be, Jaedong could not stop Flash last month.


head-to-head isnt everything
Terran & Potato Salad.
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