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disciple
9070 Posts
On February 20 2009 06:51 zhaoli86 wrote: Flash for the most annoying fanbase? I mean come on, Flash gotta beat Bisu on this one... After the last few months flash recruited me to his big fanbase as well. I feel privileged to watch his TvZ | ||
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animus123
United States171 Posts
On February 20 2009 07:08 Jaeden wrote: I have a question: Is the match between JD and Bisu serious? do they win any medals or something ? even better...money! | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
Anyway, #1 and #2 should be determined who wins between Bisu and Jaedong in their match. Leta should be #3. Jangbi or Flash should be #4 or #5. There is no justification at all to put Flash, who is now out of both the MSL and OSL, who will only be playing in Proleauge for the foreseeable future, who when push came to shove dropped the ball, should be top 3. I say top 3, because when Leta is the one who knocked him out of the MSL, and Leta hasn't been dropping leagues, there is no justification for putting Flash over Leta. And if Bisu got dropped to #5 for dropping out of both leagues, I don't see why Flash can't eat that too. Reach should get like #10 though. Hes giving such manly games right now, with his new Military Powers, and plus, its fucking Reach. At least replace Anytime with Reach. | ||
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haley
64 Posts
On February 20 2009 05:23 Lockon Stratos wrote: Nobody is arguing about Bisu's performance in the OSL wildcard, just that he even had a second chance at all. Why doesn't Jaedong get a 2nd chance in the MSL? Why doesn't Flash get a 2nd chance in the OSL? Luck. He has many games over noobs yes, but so does Bisu. But Flash also all-killed Lecaf, beat Jaedong not once, but twice. Beat Leta and sending him on a 4 game losing streak, beat an on-fire Hwasin twice, beat ForGG who is in the RO8 MSL. Flash survived the group of death while Bisu couldn't even beat ZerO and make it out of RO32. Factor in the level of competition he's had to face along with an insane schedule, he is still a top player, just one who got unlucky in the group selections. Haha. Look at this fanboyism. Did you forget Leta beat Flash two times after that? Flash shouldn't get any credit for Leta's loss to 3 OTHER players (Jaedong and Fantasy included). Why did you even bring it up? You're fluffing his accomplishments. You didn't want to say: "Flash beat Leta!! -- Then Leta beat him twice afterwards." Pathetic. | ||
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p4fn2w
383 Posts
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haley
64 Posts
On February 20 2009 05:23 Lockon Stratos wrote: Nobody is arguing about Bisu's performance in the OSL wildcard, just that he even had a second chance at all. Why doesn't Jaedong get a 2nd chance in the MSL? Why doesn't Flash get a 2nd chance in the OSL? Luck. He has many games over noobs yes, but so does Bisu. But Flash also all-killed Lecaf, beat Jaedong not once, but twice. Beat Leta and sending him on a 4 game losing streak, beat an on-fire Hwasin twice, beat ForGG who is in the RO8 MSL. Flash survived the group of death while Bisu couldn't even beat ZerO and make it out of RO32. Factor in the level of competition he's had to face along with an insane schedule, he is still a top player, just one who got unlucky in the group selections. Flash is currently on a 4 loss streak. By your logic, can we say Upmagic sent him there? Upmagic beat him twice then after the second time, Flash lost to Best, and Leta twice. You like that logic? Don't cherrypick. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On February 20 2009 07:48 Sentenal wrote: Wow Flash Fanboys are going crazy. I ROFLed at "your argument sucks monkey penis," to which got the response "My argument sucks Money Penis? You're the one who sucks money penis." lol Anyway, #1 and #2 should be determined who wins between Bisu and Jaedong in their match. Leta should be #3. Jangbi or Flash should be #4 or #5. There is no justification at all to put Flash, who is now out of both the MSL and OSL, who will only be playing in Proleauge for the foreseeable future, who when push came to shove dropped the ball, should be top 3. I say top 3, because when Leta is the one who knocked him out of the MSL, and Leta hasn't been dropping leagues, there is no justification for putting Flash over Leta. And if Bisu got dropped to #5 for dropping out of both leagues, I don't see why Flash can't eat that too. Reach should get like #10 though. Hes giving such manly games right now, with his new Military Powers, and plus, its fucking Reach. At least replace Anytime with Reach. LOL yea I didn't want to bring that up because that would be a low blow, like laughing at a retarded kid who can't do math or something. | ||
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traced
1739 Posts
i really didn't notice anything different in his play. just...sometimes you lose. the same goes for bisu during his group stage "problems" (though admittedly he seemed to mess up his cannon timing in a bunch of those games, putting him too far behind opponents playing really well). | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
1) Bisu. He and Flash were in contention for the top spot. They aren't any more. 2) Jaedong. He's been tearing people to shreds lately. 3) Leta. I'd place the guy who's still in the MSL above the guy he eliminated in a straight-up Bo3. 4) Flash. He's the little prince of winner's league, although he was eliminated from OSL and MSL by respectable opponents. His play has been phenomenal all-around, and even in his losses he plays well. (The only really embarassing loss was Leta's cheese.) 5-10) Some combination of Best, Hwasin, Luxury, Yarnc, Savior, and Jangbi, I suppose. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
i'd say bisu/leta for 1 and 2, then jaedong/flash 3 and 4 but the last 6 spots are hard to figure out maestro maybe 5 luxury hwasin jangbi; and best and yellow[arnc], i guess thats it kal maybe instead of yellow (impressive all kill) poor stork | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On February 20 2009 11:19 Tinithor wrote: Anyone notice that Stork is still in contention for both leagues as well? No one gives a shit bout stork anymore i suppose. He sucks. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On February 20 2009 11:19 Tinithor wrote: Anyone notice that Stork is still in contention for both leagues as well? No one gives a shit bout stork anymore i suppose. Anyone notice that FBH is not in either league. That's the only difference between him and Stork. jk, but you get the point. His games and records have been lackluster to say the least. He's too inconsistent right now. Very streaky in his last games. | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
Anyhow, as long as we agree that Bisu, Flash, and Jaedong (in no particular order) is in top 3, we should wait until Bisu vs Jaedong Bo5 and some more results from Flash to start ranking them. New PRs come late, as you guys already should know...whats the point of arguing now | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On February 20 2009 03:03 Geo.Rion wrote: yes it can be handled. Like this: Dont practice for PL, after all you are facing a mediocre team and you have Lux + some chobos on your team, you ask your coach to be the 4th man, so probably wont even get to play, or just 1 match. In my personal opinion that's exactly what happened, i could be wrong. It's too naive to say Flash prepared for 4 matches for that WL match. I'm almost sure he just went there, and his incredible skills won him 3 games. Let's say his coach forced him to practice for PL too, that might be the case beacause it is rumored that KTF has an awfull coaching staff, than a responsible progamer decides wich SL is more important and concentrate on it, and try his best in the other one, without serious practice. Flash failed to bring the victory for his team, and got eliminated from 2 leagues. That's his fault, with his talent and skills he could easely excell in one or max 2 of his tasks. He dindt manage to do so beacause a) he's not that good, as it looked OR b) he tried to run after too many rabbits in the same time, and didnt get any (i dont know how much sense does this make, it's a hungarian proverb). Being a good progamer also requires the ability to structure your practice time. Some may argue that Flash is innocent in this case, and only his stupid coach forced him beyond his limits. Well, life suxx, without achievements even you, Fakesteve, cant give him 1st or 2nd place. It would be nice from you, if you answer. no shit he can't be given 1 or 2, he's out of both leagues. Whether its scheduling or not, if you are not able to compete against the top of the field, you are going to drop. That doesn't changed the fact that Flash is by far the best player in the field right now. If he doesn't show it, the fact that there's a scheduling problem is unfortunate, but OSL/MSL are OSL/MSL and they are extremely relevant. And no, Flash is not going to throw games in WL or not practice - He is KTF's ONLY strong player, and teams put a much higher focus on teamleague than OSL and MSL. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On February 20 2009 07:48 Sentenal wrote: Wow Flash Fanboys are going crazy. I ROFLed at "your argument sucks monkey penis," to which got the response "My argument sucks Money Penis? You're the one who sucks money penis." lol Anyway, #1 and #2 should be determined who wins between Bisu and Jaedong in their match. Leta should be #3. Jangbi or Flash should be #4 or #5. There is no justification at all to put Flash, who is now out of both the MSL and OSL, who will only be playing in Proleauge for the foreseeable future, who when push came to shove dropped the ball, should be top 3. I say top 3, because when Leta is the one who knocked him out of the MSL, and Leta hasn't been dropping leagues, there is no justification for putting Flash over Leta. And if Bisu got dropped to #5 for dropping out of both leagues, I don't see why Flash can't eat that too. Reach should get like #10 though. Hes giving such manly games right now, with his new Military Powers, and plus, its fucking Reach. At least replace Anytime with Reach. It had nothing to do with being a fanboy, he told me my argument sucked monkeypenis and I told the prick he sucks monkey penis. The End. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On February 20 2009 08:45 fanatacist wrote: LOL yea I didn't want to bring that up because that would be a low blow, like laughing at a retarded kid who can't do math or something. Since when was arguing about power rankings suppose to make you a smart ass? You're one the one who's acting like a kid retard. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On February 20 2009 16:48 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: no shit he can't be given 1 or 2, he's out of both leagues. Whether its scheduling or not, if you are not able to compete against the top of the field, you are going to drop. That doesn't changed the fact that Flash is by far the best player in the field right now. If he doesn't show it, the fact that there's a scheduling problem is unfortunate, but OSL/MSL are OSL/MSL and they are extremely relevant. And no, Flash is not going to throw games in WL or not practice - He is KTF's ONLY strong player, and teams put a much higher focus on teamleague than OSL and MSL. fine, i see your logic, he practiced for WL and coudnt allkill estro -> loss for KTF, practiced for the SLs cuz they are evenly importnat, got dropped from both -> eliminated from every active SLs (GOM is taking a break). All in all we can conclude he's the best player, but he has scheldue problems. Genious. Situations like this happened befor; Forgg, Bisu, Jaedong were in similar positions, and if they failed they got low ranking. When Bisu teared everything apart than got kicked from both of the leauges you gave him 4th or 5th spot. Since than he won the GOM easily, fought his way back in OSL, 3-0ed his tough group, earned several wins in PL. Flash owns in WL, did a REALLY impressive all-kill and bought several wins. And got his ass handled to him in both SLs. Players sometimes dont have the time to practice. Jd told in the intreview after his match, that he couldnt prepare and tought he wouldnt be able to win (game against Kal). Great players have to win some games even if they dont practice. It sometimes happens that you will have too many games in one day, if you cant handle the situation you're not that good. Starcraft isnt about who can win a game with 24h practice. Flash just chokes under pressure. The same thing happened last season. He didnt get even close to a final since his first and only SL win (+gom starinvitational which happened about the same time). Flash is the best player, who cant see this is blind... my ass | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
Nice logic there smart ass. | ||
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FireGuyX
United States1712 Posts
On February 20 2009 16:48 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: no shit he can't be given 1 or 2, he's out of both leagues. Whether its scheduling or not, if you are not able to compete against the top of the field, you are going to drop. That doesn't changed the fact that Flash is by far the best player in the field right now. If he doesn't show it, the fact that there's a scheduling problem is unfortunate, but OSL/MSL are OSL/MSL and they are extremely relevant. And no, Flash is not going to throw games in WL or not practice - He is KTF's ONLY strong player, and teams put a much higher focus on teamleague than OSL and MSL. KTF does have Luxury. | ||
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