EPTPersonally I think Bisu is OSL gold bound this season now, but even if it happens without facing some tough tough adversity in the best of 5's, I still won't consider him the best. He just isn't right now. And before I get "omg bisu hater", I think Bisu is a great player and respect his ability but right now people are going way overboard in terms of his current skill and domance level. He's not the best. It's pretty easy to call imo and again before the "OK FLASH FANBOI ITS IN UR SIG" comments, when Jaedong had Flash's number, I admitted and knew Jaedong was way past Flash in terms of skill. When Lux beat Flash OSL it was domination and I acknowledged Flash's obvious lack of game plan and ability. But Bisu just doesn't give me the feel of being the best. Wins against Jangbi and Free are cool, but put him in a Bo5 with Flash or Jaedong and lets see what happens. Personally in the upcoming gom matches I expect 3-1 Jaedong... so... We'll see what happens.
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Vasoline73
United States8181 Posts
Personally I think Bisu is OSL gold bound this season now, but even if it happens without facing some tough tough adversity in the best of 5's, I still won't consider him the best. He just isn't right now. And before I get "omg bisu hater", I think Bisu is a great player and respect his ability but right now people are going way overboard in terms of his current skill and domance level. He's not the best. It's pretty easy to call imo and again before the "OK FLASH FANBOI ITS IN UR SIG" comments, when Jaedong had Flash's number, I admitted and knew Jaedong was way past Flash in terms of skill. When Lux beat Flash OSL it was domination and I acknowledged Flash's obvious lack of game plan and ability. But Bisu just doesn't give me the feel of being the best. Wins against Jangbi and Free are cool, but put him in a Bo5 with Flash or Jaedong and lets see what happens. Personally in the upcoming gom matches I expect 3-1 Jaedong... so... We'll see what happens. | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4758 Posts
On February 20 2009 20:40 Geo.Rion wrote: Players sometimes dont have the time to practice. Jd told in the intreview after his match, that he couldnt prepare and tought he wouldnt be able to win (game against Kal). Great players have to win some games even if they dont practice. It sometimes happens that you will have too many games in one day, if you cant handle the situation you're not that good. Starcraft isnt about who can win a game with 24h practice. Flash just chokes under pressure. The same thing happened last season. He didnt get even close to a final since his first and only SL win (+gom starinvitational which happened about the same time). Flash is the best player, who cant see this is blind... my ass I couldn't agree more. Flash is really really good. But to be considered the best there is too much failure involved right now (and in the last couple of months). But he is so young, he still got a lot of time. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On February 20 2009 22:29 Vasoline73 wrote: Bisu fanboys are so mad no one can see their hero's greatness and absolute skill. Maybe there's a reason? Like FS said, Flash is the best player right now all around. He lost in OSL and MSL and will suffer on the power rank for the next couple of months. What can you do? Bisu lost OSL and MSL too if I remember correctly and before someone comes in with "OMG TIEBREAKS WERE HARD THO SIX OH SIX OH!" do you seriously think Flash couldnt 6-0 a tiebreaker group of all the losers in a preliminary round if he got the chance? Of course he would. Personally I think Bisu is OSL gold bound this season now, but even if it happens without facing some tough tough adversity in the best of 5's, I still won't consider him the best. He just isn't right now. And before I get "omg bisu hater", I think Bisu is a great player and respect his ability but right now people are going way overboard in terms of his current skill and domance level. He's not the best. It's pretty easy to call imo and again before the "OK FLASH FANBOI ITS IN UR SIG" comments, when Jaedong had Flash's number, I admitted and knew Jaedong was way past Flash in terms of skill. When Lux beat Flash OSL it was domination and I acknowledged Flash's obvious lack of game plan and ability. But Bisu just doesn't give me the feel of being the best. Wins against Jangbi and Free are cool, but put him in a Bo5 with Flash or Jaedong and lets see what happens. Personally in the upcoming gom matches I expect 3-1 Jaedong... so... We'll see what happens. if Flash would be the best player of the world he would have succeeded at least in one of his tasks. He could at least allkill the great and scary Estro team, or take one of the two games against Leta. C'mon you should at least use some arguments based on the played games. I did not watch the WL games yet, but i did watch the MSL and OSL games, and Flash could have qualified. Against Best he was in commanding position for quite some time, forced best to cancel his natural expo, put up a nice contain, kept him on even basecount and all that stuff a T would like to do against a P. Best played it well, and won. EDIT: i cheked the map stats, it's 7-3 in favor of T against P. Even the maps were helping him, and because his other 3 loss were against T, his best MU i think he got no more excuse, than the lack of time. And i repeat myself, that doesnt explain 3 failure. Yes i consider the KTF loss a failure, even though Flash was possibly the best player in that match. It's still a loss for KTF who are fighting for their spot in the top6. 3 wins are fine from 1 player, but it wasnt enough in this case. The games against Leta. Ofc, Leta is a great player losing against him in a standard game than in a cheesy one isnt a shame. BUT 2proxy rax is an allin build which instantly wins against 14 CC or some wierd rax than CC builds, but the standard rax+fact first opening has fairly good chanse to defend against it, it's up to micro. The good thing about this is, that if a player couldnt practice enough his pure skills and micro can win him the game. Yet Flashed mismicroed his rines and lost easily. These are my toughts on the case. I hated Flash because he used to play a perfect terran (+some interviews), and i was angry on him because he defeated all my favorites, and did that in an unqestunable fashion. I always admitted when he was on the top of the world, but NOW he's not. Not only beacuse he's out from both SLs, but beacuse he could be at least in one of them. But yeah, mostly because he's out. He chokes under pressure, that's sad for his fans i guess, i can understand it's frustrating, but still, that's how it is. | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
On February 20 2009 22:29 Vasoline73 wrote: Bisu fanboys are so mad no one can see their hero's greatness and absolute skill. Maybe there's a reason? Like FS said, Flash is the best player right now all around. He lost in OSL and MSL and will suffer on the power rank for the next couple of months. What can you do? Bisu lost OSL and MSL too if I remember correctly and before someone comes in with "OMG TIEBREAKS WERE HARD THO SIX OH SIX OH!" do you seriously think Flash couldnt 6-0 a tiebreaker group of all the losers in a preliminary round if he got the chance? Of course he would. Personally I think Bisu is OSL gold bound this season now, but even if it happens without facing some tough tough adversity in the best of 5's, I still won't consider him the best. He just isn't right now. And before I get "omg bisu hater", I think Bisu is a great player and respect his ability but right now people are going way overboard in terms of his current skill and domance level. He's not the best. It's pretty easy to call imo and again before the "OK FLASH FANBOI ITS IN UR SIG" comments, when Jaedong had Flash's number, I admitted and knew Jaedong was way past Flash in terms of skill. When Lux beat Flash OSL it was domination and I acknowledged Flash's obvious lack of game plan and ability. But Bisu just doesn't give me the feel of being the best. Wins against Jangbi and Free are cool, but put him in a Bo5 with Flash or Jaedong and lets see what happens. Personally in the upcoming gom matches I expect 3-1 Jaedong... so... We'll see what happens. Did you even follow the Gom and after that the Pl where Bisu beat Flash? Weren't those wins impressive? And before you come up with the map imbalance thing,don't tell me that Sin Chupung Ryeong does not favour Terran over Zerg. It does. But I got over it when Flash just walked over Jaedong there. And Bisu got punished for his failure in MSL, OSL. He got lucky,he got another chance. Good for him. Flash didn't get it. Sucks,life isn't fair. But let's just wait till the Gom finals,and don't think that Bisu will just give away the matches. I personally hope for a good match because I am a fan of both of them. Bisu is not the most dominant player right now,but Jangbi wasn't either. Flash had the chance,but he fucked up. Now JD has his,if he can beat Bisu,he should be no1. If he can't,well,tell me a better option for no1 than Bisu. Good luck with finding one. | ||
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Hugo(Sphere)
United States44 Posts
Starcraft is much more like baseball than basketball. That's just the inherent nature of some competitive activities. Superstars have a mid 60-70 win rate, just like super baseball teams. In basketball 80-85% is possible for good teams. Look at how different the game has become in terms of SL winners, you don't see runs like you used to in the early days. Name any other player besides Jaedong that has been that consistent in both SL and PL over the last year and a half, before you start talking about choking. Also, in sports, there is a lot of debate over the overly broad application of the terms choke/clutch. Of course there are great examples in all sports of that phenomenon, and mentally some people just cannot handle pressure. Sea might be a good example in Starcraft, but in general, people try to apply choke and clutch to way too many situations when it's just not warranted. Sometimes a loss is just a loss. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
FLASH IS NOT THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW. I think Bisu is the best player right now. Jaedong is certainly playing better than Flash lately, despite being in pretty much the same situation as far as WL goes. Leta, Hwasin, and UpMagic have all been putting forth strong showings, and Flash isn't even the undisputed best Terran player at this point. | ||
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Lockon Stratos
United States126 Posts
On February 21 2009 03:52 Zozma wrote: I just need to get this off my chest. It's been building up for a while. FLASH IS NOT THE BEST PLAYER RIGHT NOW. I think Bisu is the best player right now. Jaedong is certainly playing better than Flash lately, despite being in pretty much the same situation as far as WL goes. Leta, Hwasin, and UpMagic have all been putting forth strong showings, and Flash isn't even the undisputed best Terran player at this point. Ok I can see how Flash may not be the best overall player right now, but to say that he's not the best Terran player is going too far. Who is the best Terran player then? Leta? Saying Leta is better than Flash is like saying Tempest is better than fantasy lol. And Hwasin and upmagic have been playing good but don't forget that Flash went 2-1 against Hwasin, and upmagic is also out of both leagues. If the presence of a player in a SL means so much then shit lets put Kwanro over Flash too! And by the same reasoning, since Stork, Leta, and Luxury are still in both SLs where as Bisu and Jaedong are only in one, why not put Stork, Leta, and Luxury as #1 - #3, because you all know that 2 starleagues > 1 right? | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On February 21 2009 04:11 Lockon Stratos wrote: Ok I can see how Flash may not be the best overall player right now, but to say that he's not the best Terran player is going too far. Who is the best Terran player then? Leta? Saying Leta is better than Flash is like saying Tempest is better than fantasy lol. No... it's not much like that at all. I think Leta is better than Flash. It's just my opinion, but the fact that Leta beat Flash in their MSL matches certainly helps my argument. On February 21 2009 04:11 Lockon Stratos wrote: And Hwasin and upmagic have been playing good but don't forget that Flash went 2-1 against Hwasin, and upmagic is also out of both leagues. If the presence of a player in a SL means so much then shit lets put Kwanro over Flash too! And by the same reasoning, since Stork, Leta, and Luxury are still in both SLs where as Bisu and Jaedong are only in one, why not put Stork, Leta, and Luxury as #1 - #3, because you all know that 2 starleagues > 1 right? I never brought up Starleagues. Right now, it's true that Kwanro is on a higher level than Flash in terms of concrete results in Starleagues, though that could change any time. Flash is obviously even now better than Kwanro in terms of skill at the game. The people who I put forth as other "top players" all seem to equal or surpass Flash in game skill (in my opinion, of course), and most certainly surpass him in results. | ||
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disciple
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haley
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Hugo(Sphere)
United States44 Posts
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Lockon Stratos
United States126 Posts
On February 21 2009 04:32 Zozma wrote: No... it's not much like that at all. I think Leta is better than Flash. It's just my opinion, but the fact that Leta beat Flash in their MSL matches certainly helps my argument. No? Why not? fantasy destroyed tempest in their first match; Flash destroyed Leta in their first match. But then tempest cheeses fantasy, kicking him out of the MSL; Leta cheeses Flash, kicking Flash out of the MSL. Looks like the same situation to me. So if you say Leta is better than Flash, then you have to consider Tempest over fantasy by the same logic. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On February 21 2009 07:20 Lockon Stratos wrote: I haven't watched Fantasy vs. Tempest, so obviously I can't comment. No? Why not? fantasy destroyed tempest in their first match; Flash destroyed Leta in their first match. But then tempest cheeses fantasy, kicking him out of the MSL; Leta cheeses Flash, kicking Flash out of the MSL. Looks like the same situation to me. So if you say Leta is better than Flash, then you have to consider Tempest over fantasy by the same logic. But Leta didn't cheese Flash in the second game, and Leta won that pretty easily. Leta did in fact BBS in game 3, but I have a suspicion that if Flash had BBS rushed Leta rather than the other way around, Flash fans would be talking about his cleverness in a BoX series, and I would be whining about cheese. You know, rather than the other way around. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
Jaedong just got GGPlay'd LOL Bisu #1 EZ | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
Hey kid relax, take some time to cool down and maybe go to a psychiatrist to see if they can fix the fact that you said "money" instead of "monkey" three times out of four. And maybe they can treat your anger issues too! That would be great. baibai nao~ | ||
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Lockon Stratos
United States126 Posts
On February 21 2009 07:26 Zozma wrote: I haven't watched Fantasy vs. Tempest, so obviously I can't comment. But Leta didn't cheese Flash in the second game, and Leta won that pretty easily. Leta did in fact BBS in game 3, but I have a suspicion that if Flash had BBS rushed Leta rather than the other way around, Flash fans would be talking about his cleverness in a BoX series, and I would be whining about cheese. You know, rather than the other way around. Where in my post did I "whine" about how Leta beat Flash? I accepted the fact that Leta won the game and that Flash lost. I never mentioned anything about the fairness of Leta's method, I just made observations that Leta won the deciding match against Flash the same way Tempest won his against fantasy. You are the one trying to make it look like I'm complaining of how cheesy Leta is in order to dodge my question... You cannot justify Leta being better than Flash anymore than you can justify Tempest being better than fantasy. Its clear who the better player is in both cases. | ||
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haley
64 Posts
On February 21 2009 07:20 Lockon Stratos wrote: No? Why not? fantasy destroyed tempest in their first match; Flash destroyed Leta in their first match. But then tempest cheeses fantasy, kicking him out of the MSL; Leta cheeses Flash, kicking Flash out of the MSL. Looks like the same situation to me. So if you say Leta is better than Flash, then you have to consider Tempest over fantasy by the same logic. Haha. Look at this guy trying to spin things. I'm not arguing whether or not it's the same thing, but you're obviously trying to spin things. Fantasy beat Tempest soundly, then got cheesed next game. That's the example you're using... And then you say the same thing with Flash and Leta OMITTING the game 2 intentionally just so you can say "Flash beat Leta then Leta cheeses him." You need a better analogy instead of spinning things around like that. I notice almost all of your posts are illogical spins. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
It's that's the best argument to be brought up, then I'm pretty happy. + Show Spoiler + I know you're joking | ||
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