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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
February 19 2009 15:19 GMT
#341
I think the Flash for first in PR campaign is officially over. he can go 20-4 in a month or whatever, if he drops from both leauges he has no place on top
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
February 19 2009 16:06 GMT
#342
HAHAHAHHAHAAHA

Take that!

Can I hear more arguments against Bisu for #1 please? Or some + Show Spoiler +
pro-Flash, not in either leagues
arguments? LOL
Peace~
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
February 19 2009 16:10 GMT
#343
Flash deserves about 5th place, the same that Bisu got when when he needed 4 wins and got 4 loses. It doesn't matter how well Flash did the rest of the month or if he was overworked. The fact is, when push came to shove Flash lost his biggest games.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 16:38:23
February 19 2009 16:36 GMT
#344
Flash played 7 matches in two days. This is not a schedule ANY player can accomodate.

Flash is still without question the best player on the scene. He got a raw fucking deal, but he is without question the best.

What effect this has on the Power Rank, I can't say yet. But you're fucking ignorant if you think anyone can handle that situation.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 16:48:56
February 19 2009 16:48 GMT
#345
Flash shouldn't drop to fifth. The situation is not quite analogous to Bisu's two months ago. Flash's league eliminations are more understandable than Bisu's were. Regardless, he certainly isn't going to be number one. I'd still give him two or three.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
February 19 2009 17:14 GMT
#346
The situation is analogous (8 games in 3 days, 7 in 2) and no one says this is smth that any player can handle, flash failed just like the guys before him (forgg, bisu). Is he the best player right now? No, but top 3 for sure
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Fwmeh
Profile Joined April 2008
1286 Posts
February 19 2009 17:23 GMT
#347
JD over Bisu over Flash over Jangbi. The only player "playing" better than JD is Flash, but I honestly cannot see him as 1st without being in any league. If Bisu clearly outplays JD they will switch, but right now, JD is more impressive. Leta 5 or maybe 4th switched with Jangbi. His own actually play hasn't been as impressive lately. Lux 6th, both leagues, but he hasn't had that many games that were truly impressive. Yarnac 7 is fine, 8 up/hwasin, depending on coming games. July 9th, Best 10th. If stork somehow manages to remain in both leagues (yeah right) he is 10th instead of Best, but I cannot see that happening. TBH, this coming PR is going to be weird no matter what.
A parser for things is a function from strings to lists of pairs of things and strings
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
February 19 2009 17:52 GMT
#348
What are the reasons why you think JD is playing better than Bisu right now? Link to games/talk about results please.

I am not being snide I actually am curious to see your argument/some JD games since I don't follow him much.
Peace~
Hugo(Sphere)
Profile Joined July 2008
United States44 Posts
February 19 2009 17:57 GMT
#349
Such a fucking shame when people get cheesed out of leagues, but Flash did pull that on Bisu before...
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
February 19 2009 17:59 GMT
#350
I don't understand putting JD over Bisu at this point.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 18:06:53
February 19 2009 18:03 GMT
#351
On February 20 2009 01:36 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Flash played 7 matches in two days. This is not a schedule ANY player can accomodate.

Flash is still without question the best player on the scene. He got a raw fucking deal, but he is without question the best.

What effect this has on the Power Rank, I can't say yet. But you're fucking ignorant if you think anyone can handle that situation.



yes it can be handled. Like this: Dont practice for PL, after all you are facing a mediocre team and you have Lux + some chobos on your team, you ask your coach to be the 4th man, so probably wont even get to play, or just 1 match. In my personal opinion that's exactly what happened, i could be wrong. It's too naive to say Flash prepared for 4 matches for that WL match. I'm almost sure he just went there, and his incredible skills won him 3 games. Let's say his coach forced him to practice for PL too, that might be the case beacause it is rumored that KTF has an awfull coaching staff, than a responsible progamer decides wich SL is more important and concentrate on it, and try his best in the other one, without serious practice. Flash failed to bring the victory for his team, and got eliminated from 2 leagues. That's his fault, with his talent and skills he could easely excell in one or max 2 of his tasks. He dindt manage to do so beacause a) he's not that good, as it looked OR b) he tried to run after too many rabbits in the same time, and didnt get any (i dont know how much sense does this make, it's a hungarian proverb). Being a good progamer also requires the ability to structure your practice time. Some may argue that Flash is innocent in this case, and only his stupid coach forced him beyond his limits. Well, life suxx, without achievements even you, Fakesteve, cant give him 1st or 2nd place.

It would be nice from you, if you answer.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
deathgodtoss
Profile Joined July 2008
Korea (North)189 Posts
February 19 2009 18:15 GMT
#352
i like this alot
god is about as useful as a protoss scout
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
February 19 2009 19:33 GMT
#353
I would disagree with Flash above fourth, but I never really care about the power ranking anyway.
Lockon Stratos
Profile Joined February 2009
United States126 Posts
February 19 2009 19:51 GMT
#354
Now that Flash is out of both leagues #1 and #2 should go to JD and Bisu depending on the outcome of their BO5, #3 Flash, #4 Jangbi, #5 Leta.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 20:21:35
February 19 2009 19:55 GMT
#355
I don't know what you all are bitching about Flash and justifing Bisu for . You are all just stupid if you think the situations are even a slight similar .

First off Bisu has always had it easy in proleague unlike Flash . In WL Bisu can't touch Flash's little finger let alone compete with him ( if he won his matches vs Light or Guemchi i would have thought he is a contender ) . Making something spectacular like a semi all - kill or an all - kill its completely out of the question and its not like he didn't had a chances to do it .
Can you all - kill OZ Bisu ? , can you semi - allkill the best of STX ? Can you make a record of 20 wins - 3 losses or something as crazy as that in WL ? Prove it or you won't stop me laughing .

Second Bisu lost to some newbie 2 - 0 in the OSL blaming the maps and all , while at the same time thinking ( and apperently his fans think) "god i'm the real deal when it comes to PvT " while destroing some newb on medusa . But who needs OSL RO 32 when you have your "get in the next round card the other way around " compliments from BackHO . And of course in that card is written " Lets enjoy our meal in Medusa Fried Terrans (MFT), much like Kentucky Fried Chicken (KTF) , but with more rape and imbalance in it "
Flash an the other hand exited the OSL with honour playing 5 games that day winning 3 and playing an infinity amount of games in the same week vs top 15 Kespas losing only about 5 games . I guess you don't need to be as immortal as Flash , but as lucky as Bisu to make it to the next round in the OSL .

In MSL the all mighty Bisu "TheBonjwa" the reigning MSL champion put himself in a group full of mediocre zergs and Savior , while claiming ( and also his fans ) "I/Bisu has the best PvZ ." Of course Savior destroyed him , because its 2009 also Zero proved to be to much for him . Bravo Bisu you beat Magma you so much deserved to advance its not even funny !!! On the other side of the MSL in the group of death ( not the group of laughter ) Flash was victories . But he was stoped after by # 1 player on the PR the apparently 1 of the best players there is right now .

Summary of my thoughts - 1. Does Flash deserve the # 1 spot right now , the answer is - maybe , i don't know . 2. Does Bisu deserve the # 1 spot right now more then Flash - the answer is - don't be a jackass ..... Lets see what Bisu can do in the rest of the month , they are both somewhat of a contenders with Jaedong , but i think if nothing big happens Leta may remain the # 1 PR player , because he eliminated the best player from the tournament .
animus123
Profile Joined January 2009
United States171 Posts
February 19 2009 20:05 GMT
#356
Blah. Flash why do you get knocked out of both leagues. I still want to place you number one, but you did not bring home the bacon. Take #2 as consolation prize. #1 and #3 is difficult. I would say hold off on the rankings until Bisu and Jaedong play, but that's technically next month, isn't it? We wouldn't want to be late on a PR would we? Heh.

For now...
1. Bisu
2. Flash
3. Jaedong(I cannot in good conscience place Jaedong above flash this month. Yet.)
4. Jangbi( I don't like him but 4th is a good place for him)
5. Fake Yellow
6. Savior
7. Leta
8. Luxury
9. Kal/Best/Free (they've all been ehhhh. Good enough to get 9th)
10. Reach (Wtb Reach All Kill)
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
February 19 2009 20:07 GMT
#357
Flash is in neither leagues. Bisu is dominating one. Bisu falling out of OSL is justified by his Wildcard performance, since he faced a HARDER set of competitors and came out 6-0. Bisu falling out of MSL is a minus, yes, but not as bad as Flash being in neither league. Like I said before, SL > PL/WL. Add Bisu's success in OSL to his GSL title from THIS MONTH, and it takes a shit all over Flash's WL record which has many games over noobs and shitty teams.
Peace~
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 20:12:15
February 19 2009 20:11 GMT
#358
Let's not forget that Bisu played once 5 games in 1 day and won 4 out of it and beat Flash twice. What did he get for that? A fucking fifth place. And it was as justified as it gets,you can't be no1 if you are eliminated from all leagues. What did Forgg get when he was eliminated in WCG Korea and OSL,and he played 8 games in a single fucking day! Nobody gave two shits about it and he got dropped to six. I mean,don't make an exception with Flash,just because he's Flash. He was really the most impressive player until this day,but he cannot be no1 unless Bisu and JD both are knocked out of the OSL until the next PR. Anyway,it's still pointless arguing,because Flash can get in a depression after this and start sucking in WL. Yeah,his situation is harder than Bisu's was. That's why he deserves no2 or 3 and not no 5. No1? If this is an objective ranking,no way.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 20:14:23
February 19 2009 20:11 GMT
#359
On February 20 2009 04:55 raga4ka wrote:
I don't know what you all are bitching about Flash and justifing Bisu for . You are all just stupid if you think the situations are even a slight similar .

First off Bisu has always had it easy in proleague unlike Flash . In WL Bisu can't touch Flash's little finger let alone compete with him ( if he won his matches vs Light or Guemchi i would have thought he is a contender ) . Making something spectacular like a semi all - kill or an all - kill its completely out of the question and its not like he didn't had a chances to do it .
Can you all - kill OZ Bisu ? , can you semi - allkill the best of STX ? Can you make a record of 20 wins - 3 losses or something as crazy as that ? Prove it or you won't stop me laughing .

Second Bisu lost to some newbie 2 - 0 in the OSL blaming the maps and all , while at the same time thinking ( and apperently his fans think) "god i'm the real deal when it comes to PvT " while destroing some newb on medusa . But who needs OSL RO 32 when you have your "get in the next round card the other way around " compliments from BackHO . And of course in that card is written " Lets enjoy our meal in Medusa Fried Terrans (MFT), much like Kentucky Fried Chicken (KTF) , but with more rape and imbalance in it "
Flash an the other hand exited the OSL with honour playing 5 games that day winning 3 and playing an infinity amount of games in the same week vs top 15 Kespas losing only about 5 games . I guess you don't need to be as immortal as Flash , but as lucky as Bisu to make it to the next round in the OSL .

In MSL the all mighty Bisu "TheBonjwa" the reigning MSL champion put himself in a group full of mediocre zergs and Savior , while claiming ( and also his fans ) "I/Bisu has the best PvZ ." Of course Savior destroyed him , because its 2009 also Zero proved to be to much for him . Bravo Bisu you beat Magma you so much deserved to advance its not even funny !!! On the other side of the MSL in the group of death ( not the group of laughter ) Flash was victories . But he was stoped after by # 1 player on the PR the apparently 1 of the best players there is right now .

Summary of my thoughts - 1. Does Flash deserve the # 1 spot right now , the answer is - i don't know . 2. Does Bisu deserve the # 1 spot right now more then Flash - the answer is - don't be a jackass ..... Lets see what Bisu can do in the rest of the month , they are both somewhat of a contenders with Jaedong , but i think if nothing big happens Leta may remain the # 1 PR player .
I'm not even a Flash fan ....


you make no sense, when bisu was busy with 10 games a week there was no WL. What did you expect? Why so many ppl got flash and KTF in fantasy PL? Because the new format suits him more than the regular PL.
In round 2 bisu was hmm 11-2 or smth like that dropping like a game to jaedong and tazza. Go check out TLPD, bisu managed in just one day to beat flash in gom And to defeat movie and effort in a long ace game in PL. I'm not making excuses for bisu's performance in msl or in osl vs hero. but saying that flash is a one man team and has to do exceptional stuff all by himself is wrong.The guy must have priority and to put one thing over the other just like you do in your daily routine.
And you speak about bisu's opponents, why dont you look at flash's... Leta was on a 5 game losing streak before today, Best is just pathetic in WL recently, its not like he faced the most on fire guys right now.
Just fucking let it go already, this is not the first time the good guy gets fucked by busy schedule and it wont be the last case I'm sure about it. ForGG,Bisu, Stork in last MSL, if you go further even savior vs bisu in their MSL final.


See how many games flash played in January and compare the number with Bisu, 7-23 !!!
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-19 20:18:51
February 19 2009 20:12 GMT
#360
On February 20 2009 05:07 fanatacist wrote:
Flash is in neither leagues. Bisu is dominating one. Bisu falling out of OSL is justified by his Wildcard performance, since he faced a HARDER set of competitors and came out 6-0. Bisu falling out of MSL is a minus, yes, but not as bad as Flash being in neither league. Like I said before, SL > PL/WL. Add Bisu's success in OSL to his GSL title from THIS MONTH, and it takes a shit all over Flash's WL record which has many games over noobs and shitty teams.


Bisu can have all the crappy medals he wants .... When he starts playing as much games as Flash and dominates 8/10 of them vs the best of the best , you may say that he is a better player then Flash right now .
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