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On February 19 2009 07:18 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 06:02 Lockon Stratos wrote:On February 19 2009 05:55 Sentenal wrote:
lol, people acting all forgiving to Flash dropping the OSL, and being overly critical on Bisu for dropping a few PL games.
"You can't win them all."
-A Flash Fan
Why can't that apply to Bisu as well? Because Flash's schedule does not apply to Bisu. oh really ? well flash played 7 games more this month but in January he had in total 8 games compared to Bisu's 23. Those 23 include the games vs hero, zero and savior, but no one ever mentioned busy schedule as an excuse. The fact is KTY had more games to play in the past two months than any other progamer and he still managed to keep his dominate form and to hold his elo above 2300
Ok so they both have busy schedules, Bisu is out of MSL with losses to Savior and zero, and Flash is out of OSL with losses to Best and Upmagic. They are both only in 1 league now, and Flash is doing better in WL. You can't really place Bisu ahead of Flash when he lost to zero, and also recently to Guemchi.
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On February 19 2009 09:33 Lockon Stratos wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 07:18 disciple wrote:On February 19 2009 06:02 Lockon Stratos wrote:On February 19 2009 05:55 Sentenal wrote:
lol, people acting all forgiving to Flash dropping the OSL, and being overly critical on Bisu for dropping a few PL games.
"You can't win them all."
-A Flash Fan
Why can't that apply to Bisu as well? Because Flash's schedule does not apply to Bisu. oh really ? well flash played 7 games more this month but in January he had in total 8 games compared to Bisu's 23. Those 23 include the games vs hero, zero and savior, but no one ever mentioned busy schedule as an excuse. The fact is KTY had more games to play in the past two months than any other progamer and he still managed to keep his dominate form and to hold his elo above 2300 Ok so they both have busy schedules, Bisu is out of MSL with losses to Savior and zero, and Flash is out of OSL with losses to Best and Upmagic. They are both only in 1 league now, and Flash is doing better in WL. You can't really place Bisu ahead of Flash when he lost to zero, and also recently to Guemchi.
He also recently won a gold medal, what have flash won the lately?
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On February 19 2009 07:18 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 06:02 Lockon Stratos wrote:On February 19 2009 05:55 Sentenal wrote:
lol, people acting all forgiving to Flash dropping the OSL, and being overly critical on Bisu for dropping a few PL games.
"You can't win them all."
-A Flash Fan
Why can't that apply to Bisu as well? Because Flash's schedule does not apply to Bisu. oh really ? well flash played 7 games more this month but in January he had in total 8 games compared to Bisu's 23. Those 23 include the games vs hero, zero and savior, but no one ever mentioned busy schedule as an excuse. The fact is KTY had more games to play in the past two months than any other progamer and he still managed to keep his dominate form and to hold his elo above 2300
Except Flash has already played 21 games this month with more than a third of it left. Flash's lack of reliable teammates hurt him, but it's not the same situation.
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On February 19 2009 11:30 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 07:18 disciple wrote:On February 19 2009 06:02 Lockon Stratos wrote:On February 19 2009 05:55 Sentenal wrote:
lol, people acting all forgiving to Flash dropping the OSL, and being overly critical on Bisu for dropping a few PL games.
"You can't win them all."
-A Flash Fan
Why can't that apply to Bisu as well? Because Flash's schedule does not apply to Bisu. oh really ? well flash played 7 games more this month but in January he had in total 8 games compared to Bisu's 23. Those 23 include the games vs hero, zero and savior, but no one ever mentioned busy schedule as an excuse. The fact is KTY had more games to play in the past two months than any other progamer and he still managed to keep his dominate form and to hold his elo above 2300 Except Flash has already played 21 games this month with more than a third of it left. Flash's lack of reliable teammates hurt him, but it's not the same situation.
I think what he's trying to say is that Bisu played a lot of games in January but the February PR obviously did not take that into account. Why should Flash deserve special treatment? No one even considered Bisu to be overworked that month, so unless Flash plays a crazy number of games for the rest of this month (like 30+ or more) then we should similarly not hold any sympathy for Flash.
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On February 19 2009 11:46 p4fn2w wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 11:30 Avidkeystamper wrote:On February 19 2009 07:18 disciple wrote:On February 19 2009 06:02 Lockon Stratos wrote:On February 19 2009 05:55 Sentenal wrote:
lol, people acting all forgiving to Flash dropping the OSL, and being overly critical on Bisu for dropping a few PL games.
"You can't win them all."
-A Flash Fan
Why can't that apply to Bisu as well? Because Flash's schedule does not apply to Bisu. oh really ? well flash played 7 games more this month but in January he had in total 8 games compared to Bisu's 23. Those 23 include the games vs hero, zero and savior, but no one ever mentioned busy schedule as an excuse. The fact is KTY had more games to play in the past two months than any other progamer and he still managed to keep his dominate form and to hold his elo above 2300 Except Flash has already played 21 games this month with more than a third of it left. Flash's lack of reliable teammates hurt him, but it's not the same situation. I think what he's trying to say is that Bisu played a lot of games in January but the February PR obviously did not take that into account. Why should Flash deserve special treatment? No one even considered Bisu to be overworked that month, so unless Flash plays a crazy number of games for the rest of this month (like 30+ or more) then we should similarly not hold any sympathy for Flash.
I have a great suggestion then, let's wait until most of the month is over before continuing this train of thought.
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On February 19 2009 11:46 p4fn2w wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 11:30 Avidkeystamper wrote:On February 19 2009 07:18 disciple wrote:On February 19 2009 06:02 Lockon Stratos wrote:On February 19 2009 05:55 Sentenal wrote:
lol, people acting all forgiving to Flash dropping the OSL, and being overly critical on Bisu for dropping a few PL games.
"You can't win them all."
-A Flash Fan
Why can't that apply to Bisu as well? Because Flash's schedule does not apply to Bisu. oh really ? well flash played 7 games more this month but in January he had in total 8 games compared to Bisu's 23. Those 23 include the games vs hero, zero and savior, but no one ever mentioned busy schedule as an excuse. The fact is KTY had more games to play in the past two months than any other progamer and he still managed to keep his dominate form and to hold his elo above 2300 Except Flash has already played 21 games this month with more than a third of it left. Flash's lack of reliable teammates hurt him, but it's not the same situation. I think what he's trying to say is that Bisu played a lot of games in January but the February PR obviously did not take that into account. Why should Flash deserve special treatment? No one even considered Bisu to be overworked that month, so unless Flash plays a crazy number of games for the rest of this month (like 30+ or more) then we should similarly not hold any sympathy for Flash.
And unfortunately Flash will probably reach amount close to 30 games this week... KTF really sucks.
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Technically Bisu shouldn't be in the OSL at all, except that he got lucky.
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yeah please start with this again
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I'm won't be sad to see Leta drop out of the top3 imo. I can't stand his dances/ceremonies.
Bisu being in OSL is all deserved, I think its stupid ot hear people complaining about how Bisu didnt deserve his 2nd chance.
He dropped out of OSL from losing to by.Hero and his group. If he lost mere two games to drop out, and he went 6-0 in his wildcard group (arguably contained tougher opponents than his previous group), getting 6 wins for two losses definately makes up for a mere round of 32 spot.
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On February 19 2009 12:49 Lockon Stratos wrote:
Technically Bisu shouldn't be in the OSL at all, except that he got lucky.
Technically Flash hasn't won a title in forever, and Bisu won one this month, so...
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On February 19 2009 13:18 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 12:49 Lockon Stratos wrote:
Technically Bisu shouldn't be in the OSL at all, except that he got lucky. Technically Flash hasn't won a title in forever, and Bisu won one this month, so...
You look at the history of professional starcraft it's very difficult to win a title. Flash can't win it all the time, and neither can Bisu, Jaedong, or anyone else.
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On February 19 2009 14:00 FireGuyX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 13:18 fanatacist wrote:On February 19 2009 12:49 Lockon Stratos wrote:
Technically Bisu shouldn't be in the OSL at all, except that he got lucky. Technically Flash hasn't won a title in forever, and Bisu won one this month, so... You look at the history of professional starcraft it's very difficult to win a title. Flash can't win it all the time, and neither can Bisu, Jaedong, or anyone else.
If you take a look at the past 3 titles, which have happened in the past 4 months (roughly), how many did Bisu win? How many did Flash win? How many did Jaedong win?
Okay, now please stop saying "Flash can't win it all the time" when he hasn't won even one recent title, and Bisu has won two. Apparently someone is winning more than Flash in SLs, and that's Bisu. Sorry buddy, your argument sucks monkey penis.
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On February 19 2009 07:18 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 06:02 Lockon Stratos wrote:On February 19 2009 05:55 Sentenal wrote:
lol, people acting all forgiving to Flash dropping the OSL, and being overly critical on Bisu for dropping a few PL games.
"You can't win them all."
-A Flash Fan
Why can't that apply to Bisu as well? Because Flash's schedule does not apply to Bisu. oh really ? well flash played 7 games more this month but in January he had in total 8 games compared to Bisu's 23. Those 23 include the games vs hero, zero and savior, but no one ever mentioned busy schedule as an excuse. The fact is KTY had more games to play in the past two months than any other progamer and he still managed to keep his dominate form and to hold his elo above 2300
I think he's referring to the fact that flash played 5 games last night, and that flash continually has to carry his team, whereas bisu does not. thus, bisu has a lot more time to practice for individual league games than flash
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On February 19 2009 12:35 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 11:46 p4fn2w wrote:On February 19 2009 11:30 Avidkeystamper wrote:On February 19 2009 07:18 disciple wrote:On February 19 2009 06:02 Lockon Stratos wrote:On February 19 2009 05:55 Sentenal wrote:
lol, people acting all forgiving to Flash dropping the OSL, and being overly critical on Bisu for dropping a few PL games.
"You can't win them all."
-A Flash Fan
Why can't that apply to Bisu as well? Because Flash's schedule does not apply to Bisu. oh really ? well flash played 7 games more this month but in January he had in total 8 games compared to Bisu's 23. Those 23 include the games vs hero, zero and savior, but no one ever mentioned busy schedule as an excuse. The fact is KTY had more games to play in the past two months than any other progamer and he still managed to keep his dominate form and to hold his elo above 2300 Except Flash has already played 21 games this month with more than a third of it left. Flash's lack of reliable teammates hurt him, but it's not the same situation. I think what he's trying to say is that Bisu played a lot of games in January but the February PR obviously did not take that into account. Why should Flash deserve special treatment? No one even considered Bisu to be overworked that month, so unless Flash plays a crazy number of games for the rest of this month (like 30+ or more) then we should similarly not hold any sympathy for Flash. And unfortunately Flash will probably reach amount close to 30 games this week... KTF really sucks.
i completely agree with this and also I wish to add to it that
If it proceeds Flash is goind down because he not a computer and his health is out of him
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On February 19 2009 15:13 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 14:00 FireGuyX wrote:On February 19 2009 13:18 fanatacist wrote:On February 19 2009 12:49 Lockon Stratos wrote:
Technically Bisu shouldn't be in the OSL at all, except that he got lucky. Technically Flash hasn't won a title in forever, and Bisu won one this month, so... You look at the history of professional starcraft it's very difficult to win a title. Flash can't win it all the time, and neither can Bisu, Jaedong, or anyone else. If you take a look at the past 3 titles, which have happened in the past 4 months (roughly), how many did Bisu win? How many did Flash win? How many did Jaedong win? Okay, now please stop saying "Flash can't win it all the time" when he hasn't won even one recent title, and Bisu has won two. Apparently someone is winning more than Flash in SLs, and that's Bisu. Sorry buddy, your argument sucks monkey penis.
My argument sucks Money Penis? You're the one who sucks money penis. I'm not comparing Flash to Bisu, I'm just saying that many S class SC players don't win titles all the time. How long did it take for Stork to win the OSL? YellOw didn't win any major starcraft tournaments despite being an S class player. Although Bisu won 3 MSL titles, he hasn't won in an OSL yet. The point is despite Flash not winning consistently in major titles, he is not overrated in anyway, and still one of the top players in SC.
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On February 19 2009 17:29 brjdrb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 07:18 disciple wrote:On February 19 2009 06:02 Lockon Stratos wrote:On February 19 2009 05:55 Sentenal wrote:
lol, people acting all forgiving to Flash dropping the OSL, and being overly critical on Bisu for dropping a few PL games.
"You can't win them all."
-A Flash Fan
Why can't that apply to Bisu as well? Because Flash's schedule does not apply to Bisu. oh really ? well flash played 7 games more this month but in January he had in total 8 games compared to Bisu's 23. Those 23 include the games vs hero, zero and savior, but no one ever mentioned busy schedule as an excuse. The fact is KTY had more games to play in the past two months than any other progamer and he still managed to keep his dominate form and to hold his elo above 2300 I think he's referring to the fact that flash played 5 games last night, and that flash continually has to carry his team, whereas bisu does not. thus, bisu has a lot more time to practice for individual league games than flash
but playing 5+ games happens from time to time, so stop crying really. ForGG suffered the same thing last session with his PL/WCG/OSL in one day as far as can remember and he dropped the OSL in the end. Shit happens, just let it go
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On February 19 2009 19:25 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 17:29 brjdrb wrote:On February 19 2009 07:18 disciple wrote:On February 19 2009 06:02 Lockon Stratos wrote:On February 19 2009 05:55 Sentenal wrote:
lol, people acting all forgiving to Flash dropping the OSL, and being overly critical on Bisu for dropping a few PL games.
"You can't win them all."
-A Flash Fan
Why can't that apply to Bisu as well? Because Flash's schedule does not apply to Bisu. oh really ? well flash played 7 games more this month but in January he had in total 8 games compared to Bisu's 23. Those 23 include the games vs hero, zero and savior, but no one ever mentioned busy schedule as an excuse. The fact is KTY had more games to play in the past two months than any other progamer and he still managed to keep his dominate form and to hold his elo above 2300 I think he's referring to the fact that flash played 5 games last night, and that flash continually has to carry his team, whereas bisu does not. thus, bisu has a lot more time to practice for individual league games than flash but playing 5+ games happens from time to time, so stop crying really. ForGG suffered the same thing last session with his PL/WCG/OSL in one day as far as can remember and he dropped the OSL in the end. Shit happens, just let it go
Yeah, ForGG went 2-0 Bisu, 2-1 Shark and 1-2 Much. And ever since, his vP has plummeted. But since he doesn't have any rabid fanboys, no one took notice.
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On February 19 2009 19:25 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2009 17:29 brjdrb wrote:On February 19 2009 07:18 disciple wrote:On February 19 2009 06:02 Lockon Stratos wrote:On February 19 2009 05:55 Sentenal wrote:
lol, people acting all forgiving to Flash dropping the OSL, and being overly critical on Bisu for dropping a few PL games.
"You can't win them all."
-A Flash Fan
Why can't that apply to Bisu as well? Because Flash's schedule does not apply to Bisu. oh really ? well flash played 7 games more this month but in January he had in total 8 games compared to Bisu's 23. Those 23 include the games vs hero, zero and savior, but no one ever mentioned busy schedule as an excuse. The fact is KTY had more games to play in the past two months than any other progamer and he still managed to keep his dominate form and to hold his elo above 2300 I think he's referring to the fact that flash played 5 games last night, and that flash continually has to carry his team, whereas bisu does not. thus, bisu has a lot more time to practice for individual league games than flash but playing 5+ games happens from time to time, so stop crying really. ForGG suffered the same thing last session with his PL/WCG/OSL in one day as far as can remember and he dropped the OSL in the end. Shit happens, just let it go
well, considering that forgg dropped games due to his schedule, wouldn't that justify flash's performance that night? at least it should show that playing that many games will affect one's results. i'm not saying that his losses should be ignored, just that his schedule should be taken into consideration. also, i was just attempting to clarify what stratos said. i'm not taking any sides yet, considering how many games have yet to be played this month. so there's no need to lump me with fanboys or to bite my head off -.-
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When Bisu was dropped to no5,that month he had 5 matches in one day,against all races and went 4-1,defeating Flash twice that day. So if Bisu-who was undoubtedly the best player right then,and Flash wasn't as close as Bisu Flash and Jd are now-got dropped 4 spots because he was eliminated from both tournaments,then Flash shouldn't be no1 either,when Bisu just won Gom,impressive in OSL,and despite not having an all-kill he has good records in the WL. And what if he lost to Guemchi? Shit happens time to time,you can't win it all,like they said. And about the schedule. When Flash beat JD in OSL last year,Lecaf said that that was because Jd was preparing for the Proleague GRand Final. Despite that,Flash got the no1. So I don't give two fucks about the fact that he had a busy schedule. He lost. End of story. And also,people can say he lost against good players. Thats also true,but if you are the best player,you can't be knocked out of both leagues,because if you are,that means you are not the best player.
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