|
On January 06 2009 15:17 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2009 14:39 baubo wrote:On January 06 2009 13:05 Avidkeystamper wrote:On January 06 2009 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 06 2009 12:55 Sentenal wrote:
Overall I don't know where I would put FBH. His TvZ and TvT are some of the very best in Progaming. His TvP showed signs of improving during his MSL run, but then Bisu raped him, so that came into question yet again. And with the majority of the top tier players now-days being Protoss (the 6 Dragons), that leaves his TvP as a very big hole/question mark in his overall performance. Are two very good MUs enough to compensate for what may be a very bad one, considering his "very bad" one is arguably the most important MU a Terran player can have right now? I'm not really sure. I don't think dropping a TvP to Bisu means his MU is shaky. He's steadily improving in his TvP and I think he deserves far more credit than CNBC. The manner he played his series vs Bisu was unimpressive to say the least. It's not that he lost, but rather he got owned really bad that leaves his TvP in question. It's a toss-up between him and Mind at this point. Is Mind still in the MSL? On January 06 2009 14:00 Sentenal wrote:On January 06 2009 12:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 06 2009 12:55 Sentenal wrote:
Overall I don't know where I would put FBH. His TvZ and TvT are some of the very best in Progaming. His TvP showed signs of improving during his MSL run, but then Bisu raped him, so that came into question yet again. And with the majority of the top tier players now-days being Protoss (the 6 Dragons), that leaves his TvP as a very big hole/question mark in his overall performance. Are two very good MUs enough to compensate for what may be a very bad one, considering his "very bad" one is arguably the most important MU a Terran player can have right now? I'm not really sure. I don't think dropping a TvP to Bisu means his MU is shaky. He's steadily improving in his TvP and I think he deserves far more credit than CNBC. He was sorta ass raped by Bisu, though. And it was right after people thought his TvP was turning over a new leaf. I think it's pretty much safe to say that when people can only use the best player in the world to criticize your ability, it's actually pretty good. It's like disregarding Sea or ForGG's TvP because every time they meet Stork, they get raped. Mind is out of MSL via SkyHigh in the prelims, but FBH is also out of OSL, so it shouldn't be a huge deal. Mind should get a lot of credit for his deep GOM run beating Kal and a GGplay in pretty decent form. FBH meanwhile just bombed out hard against Bogus. However, FBH had tough victories over Jaedong with bcs. Firebathero's tvp doesn't seem that weak to me just weaker than his other matchups and weaker than the tvp skills of the other elite terrans. I would give it Mind simply based on the fact that he is basically carrying Wemade alone and his GOM run. At this moment my list would be. 1. Bisu 2. Flash 3. Jaedong 4. Jangbi 5. Stork (ok I am dropping him cuz the OSL title is the only thing holding his reputation and high rank, Bisu, Flash, and Jaedong are definitly playing better and I believe Jangbi is as well.) 6. BeSt 7. Leta 8. Kal 9. Mind 10. Free CBNC- FBH, Effort, ForGG Also, ForGG and Effort are both playing really well. It sucks Effort didn't qualify for either league. and ForGG is in MSL. Effort impressed me against Bisu, Jaedong is the only zerg playing better. ForGG is playing really well and has won nine of his last ten games. His tvt has improved a lot and his tvz mech is very crazy. His tvp used to be ridiculos, but if he can fix this (he did steamroll Rock not saying much though). I think he will show some pride being a former MSL champion this MSL and make a deep run. So yeah, Steve and everyone else I would like to know what you think about Effort and ForGG being at least CBNC and possibly on the rank?
thats an awesome list
I think the next PR will be pretty close to this one  Because flashs game vs bisu was not a bad thing for flash concerning the PR. He may have lost - but he played very good nevertheless
|
JD's match vs. UpMagic shouldn't count for the December PR, should it?
|
On January 07 2009 00:00 Scamp wrote:
JD's match vs. UpMagic shouldn't count for the December PR, should it?
I don't think 1 game would make eny big difference enyway . He is playing great starcraft and should be high , even if he lost to Upmagic .
|
On January 07 2009 00:00 Scamp wrote:
JD's match vs. UpMagic shouldn't count for the December PR, should it?
It's not important about the date of the game, as long as it is before the PR. It'd be stupid to place people higher than they deserve in light of their most recent performance, even if it isn't in the month the PR is being written for. FS has mentioned this earlier... PR is about the strongest player now, not just in that month.
|
I doubt it will change much of the rankings. You can't disregard winning against Flash, Bisu, Fantasy, Hwasin in their vZ and clinching 3/4 ace matches and making it into the MSL from a loss against UpMagic. Yes he played bad that game but his overall performance lately has been strong, no one's beaten more S-class players lately than he has other than Bisu.
|
On January 07 2009 03:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I doubt it will change much of the rankings. You can't disregard winning against Flash, Bisu, Fantasy, Hwasin in their vZ and clinching 3/4 ace matches and making it into the MSL from a loss against UpMagic. Yes he played bad that game but his overall performance lately has been strong, no one's beaten more S-class players lately than he has other than Bisu.
i'm highly dissapointed though, the importance of the ace matches is really huge, loosing in them is much greater deal than loosing to somebody in the Winner's match in MSL. And come on, to upmagic, he beaten that guy one million times, even when Up was hyped
|
So, you think not making the MSL is a less deal than losing a game to eSTRO?
|
On January 07 2009 03:54 Avidkeystamper wrote:
So, you think not making the MSL is a less deal than losing a game to eSTRO?
Losing in the Winner's match of the MSL doesnt mean you're out of it. (JD lost to Canata there and still qualified in the final match). My point was the ace match is much more than an ordinary win in PL or a first place in qualifier where 2 are passing. And by much i mean MUCH
|
On January 07 2009 03:53 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2009 03:02 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I doubt it will change much of the rankings. You can't disregard winning against Flash, Bisu, Fantasy, Hwasin in their vZ and clinching 3/4 ace matches and making it into the MSL from a loss against UpMagic. Yes he played bad that game but his overall performance lately has been strong, no one's beaten more S-class players lately than he has other than Bisu. i'm highly dissapointed though, the importance of the ace matches is really huge, loosing in them is much greater deal than loosing to somebody in the Winner's match in MSL. And come on, to upmagic, he beaten that guy one million times, even when Up was hyped
Yeah but back then effective mech builds weren't discovered and maps were more decent for zergs....
On to the PR .. i think Yarnc should get a mention next month , after geting raped by JangBI in the MSL it seems like he broke the S - class barrier and even did the impossible by impoving his ZvP at least the last of his matches shows great promise .
Edit: and also out with the firebat in with the Mind . Mind is so good , i think he can execute every terran build to perfection .
|
On January 07 2009 04:09 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2009 03:54 Avidkeystamper wrote:
So, you think not making the MSL is a less deal than losing a game to eSTRO? Losing in the Winner's match of the MSL doesnt mean you're out of it. (JD lost to Canata there and still qualified in the final match). My point was the ace match is much more than an ordinary win in PL or a first place in qualifier where 2 are passing. And by much i mean MUCH
oh, c`mon...but on the other hand, yes, that match was very important for lecaf, but just like any other PL match. The bad thing is that JD shouldn`t have played that way, it`s not like he was terrible, he just started the game with a bad game-plan, and that sucks, I know.
|
On January 07 2009 04:55 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2009 04:09 Geo.Rion wrote:On January 07 2009 03:54 Avidkeystamper wrote:
So, you think not making the MSL is a less deal than losing a game to eSTRO? Losing in the Winner's match of the MSL doesnt mean you're out of it. (JD lost to Canata there and still qualified in the final match). My point was the ace match is much more than an ordinary win in PL or a first place in qualifier where 2 are passing. And by much i mean MUCH oh, c`mon...but on the other hand, yes, that match was very important for lecaf, but just like any other PL match. The bad thing is that JD shouldn`t have played that way, it`s not like he was terrible, he just started the game with a bad game-plan, and that sucks, I know.
and this might effect his mentality... after all he lost on his birthday to a player he beat 5 times and never lost, in an ace match versus a lesser team, on a day where his team could produce a decent advantage over the rival, Khan.
|
Well, you're just assuming how he reacts to losing, and that isn't relevant to the PR until he starts losing a lot.
|
I want to toss julys name in the hat for this coming months cbnc hes 10-4 in pl and on a 6 game winning streak, if he finds success in the osl i think he needs strong consideration for a rank.
|
Bisu really reclaimed his throne now...this is Bisu's era again. I thought his PvT was shaky but my doubts are gone after seeing him take down Flash.
|
Even though Jangbi has had great results, I still don't see him as a S class player. I might also add that he's one of the weaker dragons. Bisu, Stork, Best are above him, I don't know about Free and Kal though, even though Kal's PvZ > Jangbi's PvZ
Best PvT = Stork
Best PvZ = Bisu
Best PvP = Best (arguably Bisu)
|
On January 06 2009 21:43 4Servy wrote:
Why does everyone put jeadong so high?
He won a few pro leauge matches but he also lost a quite alot of games he shouldnt lose.
#3 rank I think is overrated cause he has not done anything yet to proof he really belongs there in his current shape and his gameplay looks really shaky atm.
Jaedong is currently 11-3 since his last PR. He's beating most Terrans left and right, his ZvP isn't his top form but its not too bad, and his ZvZ is still godly
He shouldn't have lost to Canata and Upmagic (vs upmagic is all-in) but losing to Kal is not something that shouldn't happen, Kal has the second best PvZ in the world...
"Few" proleague matches? He just saved Lecaf's ass multiple times and took down SKT single handedly. His gameplay is shaky? Go watch his games my friend. Maybe his ZvP isn't the same as his old ZvP but its enough to demolish any decent Protoss
|
On January 07 2009 13:27 AzureEye wrote:
Even though Jangbi has had great results, I still don't see him as a S class player. I might also add that he's one of the weaker dragons. Bisu, Stork, Best are above him, I don't know about Free and Kal though, even though Kal's PvZ > Jangbi's PvZ
Best PvT = Stork
Best PvZ = Bisu
Best PvP = Best (arguably Bisu)
Even though he is not the best in any MU, he is very well rounded (although some of the other Dragons are too), has great games, goes far in SLs, and is overall a very strong player. I don't see why you would take anything away from him.
|
|
|
On January 07 2009 05:23 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Well, you're just assuming how he reacts to losing, and that isn't relevant to the PR until he starts losing a lot.
yeah it isnt, i said I am highly dissapointed with his loss
|
On January 07 2009 13:27 AzureEye wrote:
Even though Jangbi has had great results, I still don't see him as a S class player. I might also add that he's one of the weaker dragons. Bisu, Stork, Best are above him, I don't know about Free and Kal though, even though Kal's PvZ > Jangbi's PvZ
Best PvT = Stork
Best PvZ = Bisu
Best PvP = Best (arguably Bisu)
recently Stork lost to Nada, Bisu beat every Terran he met, including Flash so there s no legitime reason to call Stork the best PVT. You might say Stork, Bisu and Jangbi are equally good in that mu. Bisu is the best PvP, Best WAS untill he lost to Stork, after that he dropped a few games. Bisu beaten Stork a few times since than,(Stork was called the best PvP) and dominated many other lesser tosses.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
