Power Rank 12/14/2008 - Page 36

On January 08 2009 06:15 disciple wrote:

Bisu beat the shit out of Mind in Bacchus OSL, the game was not even funny

On January 07 2009 22:39 Fwmeh wrote:

I disagree. I do not think it is that Bisu is that good in PvT, it is just that he is so good in general that it spills over in his PvT.

On January 08 2009 05:52 disciple wrote:
I dont know who played perfectly and who didnt. Bisu made his trademark stupid recalls, Flash was not at his best as well, mostly by the timing push in game 2, but the series were great nevertheless. In overall Bisu had a gameplan and Flash sort of didnt- he played like he would against any other toss, he was confident in his skill but this time it was not enough. Imo Bisu is currently the best toss in all MUs , especially in PvP. The stats say it all, he was slightly above the 50% quote by his epic MSL final against stork, ever since he is constantly improving to his current +60%, I dont agree with the statement that his PvT is questionable- its actually quite impressive, but he is not far above the 50% because he played many games in this MU, some of them were part of epic series like vs Up and Hwasin, but in the end of the day Bisu was victorious in all of them (except for the encounters vs flash and mind ofc but shit happens). My point is that he has nothing to prove in this area, he can beat the very best TvPers

On January 08 2009 06:01 Darth Peter wrote:
And if Bisu will beat Mind,or anybody,people will still invent reasons that,well it was because Mind was sick,or he wasn't prepared,or because he suddenly couldn't see well with his eyeglasses and stupid shit like that. I don't know why people have to speculate all the freakin' time.

This is a tipic fanboy thing when they come with excuses for every lose that their favorite player has. Flash didn`t practice, if he did he would've won

On January 08 2009 06:36 eshlow wrote:


You're right about the PvP. I checked out TLPD since he got owned 3-0 by Stork in the EVER2007 OSL he was 15-15 (50.00%).

Since then he has been 26-10 (72.22%)... and 15-4 (78.95%) since the ClubDay MSL. He's simply dominating the mirror matchup like Jaedong has his hold on ZvZ.

On January 08 2009 06:53 Jaeden wrote:

well yeah, if u put it that way, since december 2007, JD is 24-3 pretty good eh? 88% ZvZ
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?type=players&id=211&part=games&vs=Z&league=any&map=any&from_year=2007&from_month=12&from_day=9&to_year=2009&to_month=1&to_day=6&action=Update

oh and sorry AnotherDay, I wasn`t referring to u, I was speaking in general, and I`ve got a bit carried away

On January 08 2009 06:53 Jaeden wrote:

well yeah, if u put it that way, since december 2007, JD is 24-3 pretty good eh? 88% ZvZ
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?type=players&id=211&part=games&vs=Z&league=any&map=any&from_year=2007&from_month=12&from_day=9&to_year=2009&to_month=1&to_day=6&action=Update

oh and sorry AnotherDay, I wasn`t referring to u, I was speaking in general, and I`ve got a bit carried away

On January 08 2009 05:27 Fwmeh wrote:


You are not even making statements, you just linked games I watched live. Nothing new to see at all.

I kinda doubt that you are capable of understanding the point I am making, but I will try one more time.

Imagine that that you play protoss. Imagine that we have some random protoss progamer. We can assume that he is better at PvT than you, right? Now imagine we cut both his hands of. Now, you would probably win matches that he can't. But you can agree that he would still be better at PvT, right? He just wouldn't be able to play to his full capability in that MU. Now, Bisu is the opposite of that, he has like an extra pair of hands and eyes. He is better at "starcraft" than he is at PvT. It is his skill in PvT, though it is of course very very good, that is holding back his overall higher level of skill.

And lastly, don't even pretend that Flash played that perfectly. Perfect has a very specific meaning.

On January 08 2009 12:25 fanatacist wrote:
Whether Flash prepared adequately enough for the game is Flash's fault or problem; this takes nothing away from Bisu's skill. No one else is currently dominating all MUs like he is, including PvT. End of story.

On January 08 2009 12:58 SerpentFlame wrote:

The only televised PVT's Bisu has played in the last month are versus Flash. The series was amazing yes, but Flash was still suffering from a high fever and didn't have practice. This doesn't mean that Bisu isn't dominating, but it certainly detracts from "Bisu pwning Flash is total proof of Bisu's PvT dominance". The few matches he played before the GSI is Bisu stomping all over Firebathero and Hwasin, who's TvP sense is upper B class. I wouldn't call that exactly "dominating the MU".

On January 08 2009 16:02 SerpentFlame wrote:
The difference is that Hwasin has always been lacking at TvP (hence Bisu pwned him), while Bisu has a relatively powerful PvT (hence pulling a close game with Flash)? That doesn't mean he completely dominates the MU though. Yes Bisu was stellar, but what people have been mentioning is that Bisu > Flash at the MU due to the GomTV games, which may or may not be the case in light of the circumstances.

On January 08 2009 12:58 SerpentFlame wrote:

The only televised PVT's Bisu has played in the last month are versus Flash. The series was amazing yes, but Flash was still suffering from a high fever and didn't have practice. This doesn't mean that Bisu isn't dominating, but it certainly detracts from "Bisu pwning Flash is total proof of Bisu's PvT dominance". The few matches he played before the GSI is Bisu stomping all over Firebathero and Hwasin, who's TvP sense is upper B class. I wouldn't call that exactly "dominating the MU".

On January 08 2009 05:27 Fwmeh wrote:


You are not even making statements, you just linked games I watched live. Nothing new to see at all.

I kinda doubt that you are capable of understanding the point I am making, but I will try one more time.

Imagine that that you play protoss. Imagine that we have some random protoss progamer. We can assume that he is better at PvT than you, right? Now imagine we cut both his hands of. Now, you would probably win matches that he can't. But you can agree that he would still be better at PvT, right? He just wouldn't be able to play to his full capability in that MU. Now, Bisu is the opposite of that, he has like an extra pair of hands and eyes. He is better at "starcraft" than he is at PvT. It is his skill in PvT, though it is of course very very good, that is holding back his overall higher level of skill.

And lastly, don't even pretend that Flash played that perfectly. Perfect has a very specific meaning.

On January 09 2009 01:25 fanatacist wrote:
Guys relax, it's starting to get pretty hateful. Geo.Rion, he is right, you didn't make any explanation for your links, you just linked the games and hoped he would understand your point on his own. Instead of insulting him when he pointed this out (and doing a poor job at it; when you insult someone, try to make coherent sentences, otherwise you are the one that looks foolish), you should have countered with concrete evidence for your opinion.

On January 09 2009 02:04 Geo.Rion wrote:


Those arent games. You should check them too. Those are 2 interviews, and they need no explanation, maybe transcription, but who can read english can understand from listening too, no? Or is there some wicked bug and those links send all of you to games? I checked, i posted what i wanted, the interviews of Flash and Bisu