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On January 09 2009 05:12 AnOth3rDAy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2009 02:04 Geo.Rion wrote:On January 09 2009 01:25 fanatacist wrote:
Guys relax, it's starting to get pretty hateful. Geo.Rion, he is right, you didn't make any explanation for your links, you just linked the games and hoped he would understand your point on his own. Instead of insulting him when he pointed this out (and doing a poor job at it; when you insult someone, try to make coherent sentences, otherwise you are the one that looks foolish), you should have countered with concrete evidence for your opinion. Those arent games. You should check them too. Those are 2 interviews, and they need no explanation, maybe transcription, but who can read english can understand from listening too, no? Or is there some wicked bug and those links send all of you to games? I checked, i posted what i wanted, the interviews of Flash and Bisu This interview shows exactly my point. Flash is a really confident player. He has no problem saying he's going to win 3-0 over another player. But this time he said he hadn't prepared and i trust him. Sentenal. If flash cannot play while sick that can't really be hold against him. Since it doesn't show his skill...
Bisu doesn't [seem] to let sickness effect his game.
Flash does [maybe?] let sickness effect his game.
Which is better?
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On January 09 2009 06:40 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2009 05:12 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 09 2009 02:04 Geo.Rion wrote:On January 09 2009 01:25 fanatacist wrote:
Guys relax, it's starting to get pretty hateful. Geo.Rion, he is right, you didn't make any explanation for your links, you just linked the games and hoped he would understand your point on his own. Instead of insulting him when he pointed this out (and doing a poor job at it; when you insult someone, try to make coherent sentences, otherwise you are the one that looks foolish), you should have countered with concrete evidence for your opinion. Those arent games. You should check them too. Those are 2 interviews, and they need no explanation, maybe transcription, but who can read english can understand from listening too, no? Or is there some wicked bug and those links send all of you to games? I checked, i posted what i wanted, the interviews of Flash and Bisu This interview shows exactly my point. Flash is a really confident player. He has no problem saying he's going to win 3-0 over another player. But this time he said he hadn't prepared and i trust him. Sentenal. If flash cannot play while sick that can't really be hold against him. Since it doesn't show his skill... Bisu doesn't [seem] to let sickness effect his game. Flash does [maybe?] let sickness effect his game. Which is better?
you're an idiot. you cant just say which player is better because of how they performed during their sick days, even in the utmost simplicity or sarcastically. I'm a huge Bisu fan but douchebags like you bring bad reputation to people like me
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On January 09 2009 07:47 AzureEye wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2009 06:40 Sentenal wrote:On January 09 2009 05:12 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 09 2009 02:04 Geo.Rion wrote:On January 09 2009 01:25 fanatacist wrote:
Guys relax, it's starting to get pretty hateful. Geo.Rion, he is right, you didn't make any explanation for your links, you just linked the games and hoped he would understand your point on his own. Instead of insulting him when he pointed this out (and doing a poor job at it; when you insult someone, try to make coherent sentences, otherwise you are the one that looks foolish), you should have countered with concrete evidence for your opinion. Those arent games. You should check them too. Those are 2 interviews, and they need no explanation, maybe transcription, but who can read english can understand from listening too, no? Or is there some wicked bug and those links send all of you to games? I checked, i posted what i wanted, the interviews of Flash and Bisu This interview shows exactly my point. Flash is a really confident player. He has no problem saying he's going to win 3-0 over another player. But this time he said he hadn't prepared and i trust him. Sentenal. If flash cannot play while sick that can't really be hold against him. Since it doesn't show his skill... Bisu doesn't [seem] to let sickness effect his game. Flash does [maybe?] let sickness effect his game. Which is better? you're an idiot. you cant just say which player is better because of how they performed during their sick days, even in the utmost simplicity or sarcastically. I'm a huge Bisu fan but douchebags like you bring bad reputation to people like me
Oh wow, lets start up the ad hominem attacks now.
I'll try to explain this to you, since apparently someone as smart and noble as you doesn't understand. Players don't get a clear, easy path in order to become great. They have to overcome adversity. Adversity could be many different things. You could have a death bracket in a tournament you have to get through. You could be traded to a different team midseason. Maybe there was a death in the family that effected you mentally and emotionally. You could get sick, or injure yourself. Most of these things a player has no control over. What makes a player great, is his or her ability to deal and overcome these things.
My point was simple. I see many Flash fans making excuses for him, saying "Flash was sick so thats why he lost blah blah blah". Then I bring up a perfect valid example, of what happened when Bisu was in a similar situation, although granted the stakes weren't as high. Bisu was sick, and yet Bisu overcame that and dominated. If Flash is so great, why can't he overcome the same damn thing?
If you can't understand simple things like that, I wonder which one of us is the idiot.
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Who said flash was sick during the games anyway? I though he just said he was unprepared.
Anyway i really do agree that you cannot base someones skills by looking at his play if he's sick.
Ofcourse they have to overcome certain things, but more like making comeback from hard situations or beating a good player on unfavourable maps. Make a comeback from 0-2 to 3-2 or things like that. They dont have to play good with high feaver.
For example player A beats player B 10-0 when both are prepared and healthy(lol). Then player B beats player A 10-0 when player A is really sick. Would you say those players are equally skilled when its obviously a 10-10 score?
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This doesn't really matter, the top 4 for next month are almost guaranteed Bisu, Flash JD, and Jangbi.
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Who said flash was sick during the games anyway? I though he just said he was unprepared.
Bisu said it during his interview, that Flash was feeling sick, and he felt lucky that was the case.
http://www.gomtv.net/classics2/vod/542
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First of all, we do not know the degree of sickness they were going through. A face mask is used even for a common cold in Asian cultures. Yes I agree that Flash should be able to handle the same situation, and his fans should not create an alternative reason as to why he lost, but their willpower to perform well despite their illness simply demonstrates their level of endurance, not their level of starcraft skill. Either way, Bisu is going to be #1 next month PR no doubt
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On January 09 2009 06:40 Sentenal wrote:
Bisu doesn't [seem] to let sickness effect his game.
Flash does [maybe?] let sickness effect his game.
Which is better?
How came you cannot see the difference?
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/?tabulator_search=bisu hwasin&auto_redirect=1
Hwasin was always Bisu's personal bitch. He even called him his insurance. He destroyed him hard almost everytime they meet. Even with Scouts. It doesn't matter if you are sick when you are far far superior than your opponent.
When it CAN matter though is if two almost equally skilled person playing each other. That was the case Bisu vs Flash.
You even cannot draw any conclusion about player's ability to play when sick from these two games. Sick Bisu was able to defeat far inferior opponent which has probably some mental block against him. Sick Flash wasn't able to defeat Bisu who is playing at the top of his carrer. Two totally different things.
Do you see it now?
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On January 08 2009 22:43 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2009 12:58 SerpentFlame wrote:On January 08 2009 12:25 fanatacist wrote:
Whether Flash prepared adequately enough for the game is Flash's fault or problem; this takes nothing away from Bisu's skill. No one else is currently dominating all MUs like he is, including PvT. End of story. The only televised PVT's Bisu has played in the last month are versus Flash. The series was amazing yes, but Flash was still suffering from a high fever and didn't have practice. This doesn't mean that Bisu isn't dominating, but it certainly detracts from "Bisu pwning Flash is total proof of Bisu's PvT dominance". The few matches he played before the GSI is Bisu stomping all over Firebathero and Hwasin, who's TvP sense is upper B class. I wouldn't call that exactly "dominating the MU". Guess how many PvZ's Bisu had played in the last 3 months before his MSL finals vs Savior? Zero.
What's this supposed to prove? So Bisu has slick PvZ, and we all knew that already (and at the time of sAviOr you could logically expect sAviOr to stomp all over Bisu. That didn't happen then, but no one is to say that it won't happen now just because he's Bisu, since this is a different MU, and one that Bisu has not been the top of the world in). I was simply stating that Bisu has yet to be completely proven as totally dominating the TvP PvT matchup. I don't deny that his PvT is on the S-class, it simply hasn't been established conclusively due to Flash's condition during the series that Bisu's command of the matchup is unquestioned (as many people have been issuing the Flash vs Bisu series as irrefutable proof of the Bisu PvT dominance).
Bisu pulling ahead on PvT means just as much as FBH pulling ahead on his TvP about a month ago. While showing slick gaming senses against the top players respectively in the world, whether or not they'll be able to keep it up is a question. Yes I know that people like Jaedong and Flash and w/e have overcame a certain MU that they used to have trouble with, but it's simply not conclusive (despite amazing play) that Bisu completely dominates at the matchup.
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I don't think most people are trying to say that his PvT is the best that there ever was. I think they are trying to say that his PvT has reached a new level, and I think you can determine that by that series, regardless of how Flash felt or prepared. Why? Because he is still fucking Flash. Who has recently (past month or so) shown a better performance vs T? Who else would you confidently say can beat Flash PvT in a Bo3 (edit: right now)?
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On January 09 2009 15:02 fanatacist wrote:
I don't think most people are trying to say that his PvT is the best that there ever was. I think they are trying to say that his PvT has reached a new level, and I think you can determine that by that series, regardless of how Flash felt or prepared. Why? Because he is still fucking Flash. Who has recently (past month or so) shown a better performance vs T? Who else would you confidently say can beat Flash PvT in a Bo3 (edit: right now)?
Stork can take out Flash in a bo3/5, just watch his game vs Flash on Neo Harmony. Jangbi can do the same too.
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whens January PR's gonna be up?
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On January 09 2009 16:59 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2009 15:02 fanatacist wrote:
I don't think most people are trying to say that his PvT is the best that there ever was. I think they are trying to say that his PvT has reached a new level, and I think you can determine that by that series, regardless of how Flash felt or prepared. Why? Because he is still fucking Flash. Who has recently (past month or so) shown a better performance vs T? Who else would you confidently say can beat Flash PvT in a Bo3 (edit: right now)? Stork can take out Flash in a bo3/5, just watch his game vs Flash on Neo Harmony. Jangbi can do the same too.
You think their recent performance has been as stellar as Bisu's?
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On January 09 2009 17:44 ambit!ous1 wrote:
whens January PR's gonna be up?
three quarters to february. that's just how fakesteve rolls
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On January 09 2009 19:59 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2009 16:59 samachking wrote:On January 09 2009 15:02 fanatacist wrote:
I don't think most people are trying to say that his PvT is the best that there ever was. I think they are trying to say that his PvT has reached a new level, and I think you can determine that by that series, regardless of how Flash felt or prepared. Why? Because he is still fucking Flash. Who has recently (past month or so) shown a better performance vs T? Who else would you confidently say can beat Flash PvT in a Bo3 (edit: right now)? Stork can take out Flash in a bo3/5, just watch his game vs Flash on Neo Harmony. Jangbi can do the same too. You think their recent performance has been as stellar as Bisu's?
Not really. I just responded to your question by saying who can beat Flash PvT. Even with Bisu's loss today he is without any doubt the best player right now.
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On January 09 2009 21:29 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2009 19:59 fanatacist wrote:On January 09 2009 16:59 samachking wrote:On January 09 2009 15:02 fanatacist wrote:
I don't think most people are trying to say that his PvT is the best that there ever was. I think they are trying to say that his PvT has reached a new level, and I think you can determine that by that series, regardless of how Flash felt or prepared. Why? Because he is still fucking Flash. Who has recently (past month or so) shown a better performance vs T? Who else would you confidently say can beat Flash PvT in a Bo3 (edit: right now)? Stork can take out Flash in a bo3/5, just watch his game vs Flash on Neo Harmony. Jangbi can do the same too. You think their recent performance has been as stellar as Bisu's? Not really. I just responded to your question by saying who can beat Flash PvT. Even with Bisu's loss today he is without any doubt the best player right now.
I agree. It is really about time for th enew PR tho. These qualifiers sure as hell fuck things up which were clear. Not this one tho. Despit losing to a surprisingly well playing hero,Bisu is nothing shorter than the best player on the world right now.
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On January 09 2009 21:47 Darth Peter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2009 21:29 samachking wrote:On January 09 2009 19:59 fanatacist wrote:On January 09 2009 16:59 samachking wrote:On January 09 2009 15:02 fanatacist wrote:
I don't think most people are trying to say that his PvT is the best that there ever was. I think they are trying to say that his PvT has reached a new level, and I think you can determine that by that series, regardless of how Flash felt or prepared. Why? Because he is still fucking Flash. Who has recently (past month or so) shown a better performance vs T? Who else would you confidently say can beat Flash PvT in a Bo3 (edit: right now)? Stork can take out Flash in a bo3/5, just watch his game vs Flash on Neo Harmony. Jangbi can do the same too. You think their recent performance has been as stellar as Bisu's? Not really. I just responded to your question by saying who can beat Flash PvT. Even with Bisu's loss today he is without any doubt the best player right now. I agree. It is really about time for th enew PR tho. These qualifiers sure as hell fuck things up which were clear. Not this one tho. Despit losing to a surprisingly well playing hero,Bisu is nothing shorter than the best player on the world right now.
Actually, it would be better to wait a second to see if he keeps losing or if that was just a one-time thing. Those things can be quite scarring...
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On January 10 2009 00:14 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2009 21:47 Darth Peter wrote:On January 09 2009 21:29 samachking wrote:On January 09 2009 19:59 fanatacist wrote:On January 09 2009 16:59 samachking wrote:On January 09 2009 15:02 fanatacist wrote:
I don't think most people are trying to say that his PvT is the best that there ever was. I think they are trying to say that his PvT has reached a new level, and I think you can determine that by that series, regardless of how Flash felt or prepared. Why? Because he is still fucking Flash. Who has recently (past month or so) shown a better performance vs T? Who else would you confidently say can beat Flash PvT in a Bo3 (edit: right now)? Stork can take out Flash in a bo3/5, just watch his game vs Flash on Neo Harmony. Jangbi can do the same too. You think their recent performance has been as stellar as Bisu's? Not really. I just responded to your question by saying who can beat Flash PvT. Even with Bisu's loss today he is without any doubt the best player right now. I agree. It is really about time for th enew PR tho. These qualifiers sure as hell fuck things up which were clear. Not this one tho. Despit losing to a surprisingly well playing hero,Bisu is nothing shorter than the best player on the world right now. Actually, it would be better to wait a second to see if he keeps losing or if that was just a one-time thing. Those things can be quite scarring...
And how much time do you think we should wait until the next PR? Till February? Because Bisu's next match is gonna be against Flash. If he loses,you can't drop him because of that. I mean can youput anybody but Bisu on no1 with a straight face after all he achieved this month,because he was knocked out? Bullshit. There was nobody playing better in December and the beginning of January than Bisu.
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On January 09 2009 06:40 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2009 05:12 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 09 2009 02:04 Geo.Rion wrote:On January 09 2009 01:25 fanatacist wrote:
Guys relax, it's starting to get pretty hateful. Geo.Rion, he is right, you didn't make any explanation for your links, you just linked the games and hoped he would understand your point on his own. Instead of insulting him when he pointed this out (and doing a poor job at it; when you insult someone, try to make coherent sentences, otherwise you are the one that looks foolish), you should have countered with concrete evidence for your opinion. Those arent games. You should check them too. Those are 2 interviews, and they need no explanation, maybe transcription, but who can read english can understand from listening too, no? Or is there some wicked bug and those links send all of you to games? I checked, i posted what i wanted, the interviews of Flash and Bisu This interview shows exactly my point. Flash is a really confident player. He has no problem saying he's going to win 3-0 over another player. But this time he said he hadn't prepared and i trust him. Sentenal. If flash cannot play while sick that can't really be hold against him. Since it doesn't show his skill... Bisu doesn't [seem] to let sickness effect his game. Flash does [maybe?] let sickness effect his game. Which is better?
Jaedong , ayyye~!
oh and yeah, I agree with Peter, Bisu should be #1 no matter what 
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All of a sudden nobody cares about spoilers. Shit happens i guess, i think Bisu tought "my name is enough to beat that scurb, if he survives Ruby, Ruby is the real opponent"
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