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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On January 05 2009 09:43 FzeroXx wrote: 1. Bisu 2. Flash 3. Jaedong 4. Jangbi 5. Stork 6. Best 7. Leta 8. Mind 9. Effort 10. FBH (gaps = skill gaps at the moment) Skill gaps don't always translate to a PR ranking, as in this month's case Last's month's too. | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On January 05 2009 10:14 Avidkeystamper wrote: Skill gaps don't always translate to a PR ranking, as in this month's case Last's month's too. + these gaps just arent true | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On the contrary, I think these gaps are somewhat accurate. What would your gaps be? Also, I think that skill gaps generally do translate to a PR ranking... It's not just about titles, records, and Ro#s. The PR in my opinion is a measure of overall skill at the moment. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
Ya I know, I just couldn't stay awake any longer  And someone would have to be crazy to put Jaedong above Jangbi right now. My top 5 would be something like.. 1.) Bisu 2.) Flash 3.) Jangbi 4.) Jaedong 5.) Stork And that would be with me being generous to Jaedong as well, but I think hes played well enough, and Stork lost to Backho. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On January 04 2009 21:46 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Yep. There's a huge difference between Leta's play and Flash's. However, I think it's correct to say that there aren't currently 10 people who qualify as 'better' players right now. Leta's level of play isn't the top, but it's pretty good and incredibly consistant. That's true. I do think he deserves to be near the bottom of top 10. 3rd best terran right now behind Flash and FBH. When I said top players, I actually meant like top 5 rather than top 10. That said, I don't believe he's played any top terrans recently beside Mind and Sea(the latter almost doesn't count because it was the OSL not PL). So it's hard to say where he fits among them. On January 05 2009 11:32 fanatacist wrote: On the contrary, I think these gaps are somewhat accurate. What would your gaps be? Also, I think that skill gaps generally do translate to a PR ranking... It's not just about titles, records, and Ro#s. The PR in my opinion is a measure of overall skill at the moment. I'd go something like Bisu Flash/Stork/Jangbi Jaedong/Best Leta/FBH/Free Mind/Kal/I'm sure I'm forgetting some others... Jaedong has been playing like a beast recently, but it only extends back one month. And the players aren't exactly "slumping" either, all playing very well in general. As for Flash, he hasn't beaten a top 10 player in months. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
It's almost like losing to Tempest pissed him off so bad that he started practicing 16 hours a day again | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 05 2009 12:06 baubo wrote: That's true. I do think he deserves to be near the bottom of top 10. 3rd best terran right now behind Flash and FBH. When I said top players, I actually meant like top 5 rather than top 10. That said, I don't believe he's played any top terrans recently beside Mind and Sea(the latter almost doesn't count because it was the OSL not PL). So it's hard to say where he fits among them. I'd go something like Bisu Flash/Stork/Jangbi Jaedong/Best Leta/FBH/Free Mind/Kal/I'm sure I'm forgetting some others... Jaedong has been playing like a beast recently, but it only extends back one month. And the players aren't exactly "slumping" either, all playing very well in general. As for Flash, he hasn't beaten a top 10 player in months. Flash hasn't really even played many top 10 players lately. I mean, that translates to his current sick record in PL, but it's not like its his fault. The one series where he played against a legitimately S-class opponent was last night, and it was a very close, highly skilled series. Flash is still as good as ever. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I think even Jangbi has gotten more solid results. Not top 3 material imo. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On January 05 2009 15:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Is it just me or has Stork been kind of shaky recently? I think even Jangbi has gotten more solid results. Not top 3 material imo. I agree. Also I hope that + Show Spoiler + Bisu's pvt | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On January 05 2009 13:03 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Flash hasn't really even played many top 10 players lately. I mean, that translates to his current sick record in PL, but it's not like its his fault. The one series where he played against a legitimately S-class opponent was last night, and it was a very close, highly skilled series. Flash is still as good as ever. That's true. I just pointed that out because I don't think he's done anything to separate himself from other non-Bisu top players. Although in the few games Flash has played against the best(Bisu, Stork, Jaedong), he has lost. They were close games well played by both sides, but a loss is still a loss. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On January 05 2009 15:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Is it just me or has Stork been kind of shaky recently? I think even Jangbi has gotten more solid results. Not top 3 material imo. Stork was shaky last month. This month he's recovered a bit, with the exception of the Backho debacle. Which, admittedly, can happen because Backho can sometime conjuer his practice-game self and actually play well. Jangbi is 7-1 this month and 3-0 in Ace games. Saying he's "solid" is a gross understatement. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On January 05 2009 00:31 AnOth3rDAy wrote: + Show Spoiler + Bisu was not behind at that moment. Flash needed some sort of miracle to take down all bisus expantions while bisu could macro from all his gateways. Since he was almost out of scans and no vessels he could not fight vs both arbiters and dark templars. frankly im abit sick of all these spoilers in this thread, only an idiot would read the thread if he hadn't seen the matches and didn't want anything to get spoiled imo. oh yeah, finally one more people recognizes how boring and unnecesarry are these things. but i was told to use this here | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On January 05 2009 15:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Is it just me or has Stork been kind of shaky recently? I think even Jangbi has gotten more solid results. Not top 3 material imo. Jangbi unarguably took over the "best-toss-in-khan" title. Had Stork beaten Backho it could be argued, but this way not really | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On January 05 2009 22:30 Geo.Rion wrote: Jangbi unarguably took over the "best-toss-in-khan" title. Had Stork beaten Backho it could be argued, but this way not really It doesn't matter if he beat BackHO or not. You don't lose your best-toss-in-khan title by losing one Bo3. He got outplayed but it happens. He didn't play badly or anything, I wouldn't hold it against him. He's still the better player obviously. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On January 05 2009 23:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It doesn't matter if he beat BackHO or not. You don't lose your best-toss-in-khan title by losing one Bo3. He got outplayed but it happens. He didn't play badly or anything, I wouldn't hold it against him. He's still the better player obviously. nope, sry. He lost it. + Show Spoiler + just kidding+ Show Spoiler + not rly | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On January 05 2009 23:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It doesn't matter if he beat BackHO or not. You don't lose your best-toss-in-khan title by losing one Bo3. He got outplayed but it happens. He didn't play badly or anything, I wouldn't hold it against him. He's still the better player obviously. NO, jangbi is doing better in general. In PL, everywhere | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On January 05 2009 12:06 baubo wrote: That's true. I do think he deserves to be near the bottom of top 10. 3rd best terran right now behind Flash and FBH. When I said top players, I actually meant like top 5 rather than top 10. That said, I don't believe he's played any top terrans recently beside Mind and Sea(the latter almost doesn't count because it was the OSL not PL). So it's hard to say where he fits among them. I'd go something like Bisu Flash/Stork/Jangbi Jaedong/Best Leta/FBH/Free Mind/Kal/I'm sure I'm forgetting some others... Jaedong has been playing like a beast recently, but it only extends back one month. And the players aren't exactly "slumping" either, all playing very well in general. As for Flash, he hasn't beaten a top 10 player in months. Leta is better than FBH, and I would say Mind too, although I see ur khan icon  | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On January 06 2009 00:22 Geo.Rion wrote: NO, jangbi is doing better in general. In PL, everywhere NO, obviously, I just disagree with the game v.s BackHO being the point of no return. Obviously Jangbi is doing way better and is a better player. | ||
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Plutonium
United States2217 Posts
I'd like to see another ZvP series of July against Stork, Bisu, Free, Janbi, or even Best again - to really gauge how strong his play is. It gets boring seeing him devour second-tier protoss players like Backho or Much. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
2.JD 3.Flash I'm not sure who is BETTER between JD and Flash, but I do know JD has been putting up results. JD has beaten SkyHigh twice, and Hwasin Once. He has also beaten fantasy. He's beaten Bisu and Anytime. 8-2 in his last 10 Flash in his also 8-2 in his last ten only losing to Bisu. But he has beaten Bisu once. His next most impressive wins are...Casy and Effort. He also lost to JD and Stork before his last ten games putting him at 8-4 in his last 12. Yeah flash looks good right now, playing excellently, but honestly, so does JD and he beat Bisu convincingly. EDIT: Mind is really really good. Sick timing senses... | ||
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