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On January 04 2009 23:44 Geo.Rion wrote:+ Show Spoiler +OMG what a series that was! When bisu statised his own shuttles i was, HOW THE FUCK COULD YOU SCREW UP THIS AWESOME SERIES LIKE THIS!! Than Bisu's insane multitask and harass skill granted to him the comeback. Seriously, he was in soo deep shit, he was behind in unit counts, and the push reached his natural, 2 of his expos were under siege. And he made it. God dammit, that guy is good. Put him on the first 2 places (or give the second place to someone who beat him :D) + Show Spoiler +
Lol,I wonder who do you mean by that?:D(JD). But seriously,I am still under the shock how awesome these games were. This really was the final before the final,I cannot imagine any match topping that. And yeah,the Dragon Slayer has been stomped by the dragon. The Dragons are being slayed nonetheless,there are only three dragons left,and I wonder what can Mind do. (I think Skyhigh has no chance in a bo5 against Bisu). Yeah,and FS,when will the next PR come out?
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On January 05 2009 00:31 AnOth3rDAy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2009 23:44 Geo.Rion wrote:+ Show Spoiler +OMG what a series that was! When bisu statised his own shuttles i was, HOW THE FUCK COULD YOU SCREW UP THIS AWESOME SERIES LIKE THIS!! Than Bisu's insane multitask and harass skill granted to him the comeback. Seriously, he was in soo deep shit, he was behind in unit counts, and the push reached his natural, 2 of his expos were under siege. And he made it. God dammit, that guy is good. Put him on the first 2 places (or give the second place to someone who beat him :D) + Show Spoiler +Bisu was not behind at that moment. Flash needed some sort of miracle to take down all bisus expantions while bisu could macro from all his gateways. Since he was almost out of scans and no vessels he could not fight vs both arbiters and dark templars. frankly im abit sick of all these spoilers in this thread, only an idiot would read the thread if he hadn't seen the matches and didn't want anything to get spoiled imo.
I am sick of that too,but so many people were bitching about them,like:"hey,thanks for the spoilers",and I really don't want to spoil these great games for anybody,so for a day I think we rather place spoiler tags.
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On January 05 2009 00:36 Darth Peter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2009 00:31 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 04 2009 23:44 Geo.Rion wrote:+ Show Spoiler +OMG what a series that was! When bisu statised his own shuttles i was, HOW THE FUCK COULD YOU SCREW UP THIS AWESOME SERIES LIKE THIS!! Than Bisu's insane multitask and harass skill granted to him the comeback. Seriously, he was in soo deep shit, he was behind in unit counts, and the push reached his natural, 2 of his expos were under siege. And he made it. God dammit, that guy is good. Put him on the first 2 places (or give the second place to someone who beat him :D) + Show Spoiler +Bisu was not behind at that moment. Flash needed some sort of miracle to take down all bisus expantions while bisu could macro from all his gateways. Since he was almost out of scans and no vessels he could not fight vs both arbiters and dark templars. frankly im abit sick of all these spoilers in this thread, only an idiot would read the thread if he hadn't seen the matches and didn't want anything to get spoiled imo. I am sick of that too,but so many people were bitching about them,like:"hey,thanks for the spoilers",and I really don't want to spoil these great games for anybody,so for a day I think we rather place spoiler tags.
yeah, its safest that way. If there are games i wanna see i dont even enter teamliquid until i think they're up and then i only look @ the small vod thread. Others should follow this example if its important not to get anything spoiled.
Why would you look through a BW Comunity site if you dont want a bw game to be spoiled tt
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+ Show Spoiler +Bisu is insane. I have so much respect for his skill, holy shit. #1 undeniably. Why? Here we go:
First Protoss with 3 MSL badges.
-- One of which was dethroning the bonjwa savior, two of which were PvP finals (and a semi), which isn't Bisu's best MU. He didn't even play zergs from the Ro16 and up for his third MSL. Of course most of this is old news, I am just adding reasons why I think he rules.
First Protoss with an ELO of over 2300.
-- To achieve this he had to beat Flash in a Bo3 (who ws 8-3 vs. Bisu), after two other matches in PL, both of which were not PvT. Need I say more?
He just won a PvP vs the player who defeated Stork (not necessarily saying much, but still), a PvZ ace match vs. Effort (who is far from shitty), and a fucking Bo3 vs. Flash (#2 ELO anyone?) in ONE NIGHT.
-- No explanation required.
Needless to say I am shitting rainbows.
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On January 05 2009 01:34 fanatacist wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Bisu is insane. I have so much respect for his skill, holy shit. #1 undeniably. Why? Here we go:
First Protoss with 3 MSL badges.
-- One of which was dethroning the bonjwa savior, two of which were PvP finals (and a semi), which isn't Bisu's best MU. He didn't even play zergs from the Ro16 and up for his third MSL. Of course most of this is old news, I am just adding reasons why I think he rules.
First Protoss with an ELO of over 2300.
-- To achieve this he had to beat Flash in a Bo3 (who ws 8-3 vs. Bisu), after two other matches in PL, both of which were not PvT. Need I say more?
He just won a PvP vs the player who defeated Stork (not necessarily saying much, but still), a PvZ ace match vs. Effort (who is far from shitty), and a fucking Bo3 vs. Flash (#2 ELO anyone?) in ONE NIGHT.
-- No explanation required. Needless to say I am shitting rainbows.
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On January 05 2009 01:34 fanatacist wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Bisu is insane. I have so much respect for his skill, holy shit. #1 undeniably. Why? Here we go:
First Protoss with 3 MSL badges.
-- One of which was dethroning the bonjwa savior, two of which were PvP finals (and a semi), which isn't Bisu's best MU. He didn't even play zergs from the Ro16 and up for his third MSL. Of course most of this is old news, I am just adding reasons why I think he rules.
First Protoss with an ELO of over 2300.
-- To achieve this he had to beat Flash in a Bo3 (who ws 8-3 vs. Bisu), after two other matches in PL, both of which were not PvT. Need I say more?
He just won a PvP vs the player who defeated Stork (not necessarily saying much, but still), a PvZ ace match vs. Effort (who is far from shitty), and a fucking Bo3 vs. Flash (#2 ELO anyone?) in ONE NIGHT.
-- No explanation required. Needless to say I am shitting rainbows.
+ Show Spoiler +Other than that he beat Stork himself,not just a guy who has beaten Stork,his stats this month are ridiculous,the only games he lost were against JD,who played like on his top,and against Flash who played ridiculously well too,and I think he is undeniably the best player in ALL three MU's right now. So wow.
My PR for this month would be:
1. Bisu- I cannot even commentate how fucking awesome he is.
2. This is hard to decide. I don't like Flash and he lost to Stork and JD too,but he played so well against Bisu and has ridiculous stats.
3. Stork- Living on his OSL glory still,he impressed only against Flash. He was eliminated from Gom by fucking Backho,lost to arch rival Bisu in a really one-sided game despite his lucky scarabs. Perhaps three is generous for him too.
4. Jangbi- Jangbi is starting to replace Stork in the race for best Samsung Khan toss. He is plaing well enough,is still in the Gom. He was knocked out of the OSL,but nearly every player is knocked out of at least one league and his PL stats are ridiculous.
5. Jaedong- Jaedong gave us Zerg fans a new hope this month that his current form is back. After that he failed to prove that he is really a 100% again,that's why he cannot be any higher,but not putting him in the top 5 would be outrageous,especially now that the dragons are starting to fall.
6. Best- + Show Spoiler +Until today I thought that he should still be above JD,but he lost to Skyhigh which doesn't help his cause. Other than that,they have nearly similar stats,but JD is looking stronger by a small margin.
7. FBH-Fbh is the same as he was last month,great against Terran and Zerg but sucks against every better Protoss player.
8. Free- Free hasn't really accomplished anything lately,but he is one of the three dragons still in the gom and seeded in the MSL. If he can beat Mind,he can get higher again.
9. Leta- His stats are speaking for themselves. Whether or not he is Starleague material,we will find out.
10. Kal sucks ass in every other MU than P v Z. In that MU,he is brilliant,but inconsistent,like losing to Yarnc. Kal is as inconsistent as ever,was the first Dragon to be knockd out of the Gom,I am not at all impressed by him.
CBNC: Mind and Upmagic, nobody else really.
EDIT:Yeah,thanks Jaeden,I forgot
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On January 05 2009 01:34 fanatacist wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Bisu is insane. I have so much respect for his skill, holy shit. #1 undeniably. Why? Here we go:
First Protoss with 3 MSL badges.
-- One of which was dethroning the bonjwa savior, two of which were PvP finals (and a semi), which isn't Bisu's best MU. He didn't even play zergs from the Ro16 and up for his third MSL. Of course most of this is old news, I am just adding reasons why I think he rules.
First Protoss with an ELO of over 2300.
-- To achieve this he had to beat Flash in a Bo3 (who ws 8-3 vs. Bisu), after two other matches in PL, both of which were not PvT. Need I say more?
He just won a PvP vs the player who defeated Stork (not necessarily saying much, but still), a PvZ ace match vs. Effort (who is far from shitty), and a fucking Bo3 vs. Flash (#2 ELO anyone?) in ONE NIGHT.
-- No explanation required. Needless to say I am shitting rainbows.
yeah agree, but:
+ Show Spoiler + are u really givin` him credit for beating Movie ?! wow! it`s like omg, player X beat roro who beat JD omg, he`s really good ( ok sorry just saw ur comment in the ( ), but still, u shouldn`t have mentioned that ) oh and the part with shittin` rainbows should also be put in the spoilers imo :D
oh and peter, spoiler best description , I bet u forgot that
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My ranking:
Bisu
Stork
Flash
JD
Jangbi
Best
Leta
Kal
Free
FBH
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On January 05 2009 01:49 Darth Peter wrote:
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I agree with 1-6 of ur PR. Just that I don`t know how some of u can think that FBH should be above free ?! Leta should be higher, and I also would put kal above FBH
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On January 05 2009 01:58 Hyperionnn wrote:
My ranking:
Bisu
Stork
Flash
JD
Jangbi
Best
Leta
Kal
Free
FBH
this one I like, stork/flash I don`t care the order
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On January 05 2009 01:34 fanatacist wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Bisu is insane. I have so much respect for his skill, holy shit. #1 undeniably. Why? Here we go:
First Protoss with 3 MSL badges.
-- One of which was dethroning the bonjwa savior, two of which were PvP finals (and a semi), which isn't Bisu's best MU. He didn't even play zergs from the Ro16 and up for his third MSL. Of course most of this is old news, I am just adding reasons why I think he rules.
First Protoss with an ELO of over 2300.
-- To achieve this he had to beat Flash in a Bo3 (who ws 8-3 vs. Bisu), after two other matches in PL, both of which were not PvT. Need I say more?
He just won a PvP vs the player who defeated Stork (not necessarily saying much, but still), a PvZ ace match vs. Effort (who is far from shitty), and a fucking Bo3 vs. Flash (#2 ELO anyone?) in ONE NIGHT.
-- No explanation required. Needless to say I am shitting rainbows.
Bisu fans can shit whatever they want today.
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On January 05 2009 01:58 Jaeden wrote:I agree with 1-6 of ur PR. Just that I don`t know how some of u can think that FBH should be above free ?! Leta should be higher, and I also would put kal above FBH
Reasons? FBH beats Kal on Destination, FBH beats Jaedong (TWICE), oh yeah and maybe Battlecruisers.
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I'd put Jangbi and Flash in front of Stork without hesitation, they've played much better lately. Needless to say that Bisu is #1
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On January 05 2009 03:24 Sprite wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2009 01:58 Jaeden wrote:On January 05 2009 01:49 Darth Peter wrote:
[text] I agree with 1-6 of ur PR. Just that I don`t know how some of u can think that FBH should be above free ?! Leta should be higher, and I also would put kal above FBH Reasons? FBH beats Kal on Destination, FBH beats Jaedong (TWICE), oh yeah and maybe Battlecruisers.
exactly...last month
FBH won 5 matches against zergs and casy, and then lost to July ( yet another zerg ), and Best
+kal is in both leagues + better overall
imho, no biass here
edit: Kal also beat JD if u are thinking that I hate FBH for that reason
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On January 05 2009 04:39 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2009 03:24 Sprite wrote:On January 05 2009 01:58 Jaeden wrote:On January 05 2009 01:49 Darth Peter wrote:
[text] I agree with 1-6 of ur PR. Just that I don`t know how some of u can think that FBH should be above free ?! Leta should be higher, and I also would put kal above FBH Reasons? FBH beats Kal on Destination, FBH beats Jaedong (TWICE), oh yeah and maybe Battlecruisers. exactly...last month FBH won 5 matches against zergs and casy, and then lost to July ( yet another zerg ), and Best +kal is in both leagues + better overall imho, no biass here edit: Kal also beat JD if u are thinking that I hate FBH for that reason
And who did Kal beat to qualify? He beat Propose and Thezerg,which is Kal's best MU and Thezerg is terrible,and he was already seeded in MSL. He got eliminated facing the first good player,Mind. Last month he was only 9th,when he at least won matches. This month,he beat Jaedong,and that's it. He has only one stellar MU,and he is inconsistent in even that, losing to Protoss bitch Yarnc. Now FBH loses against underdogs too,but he has at least to great MU atm moment and I don't know any player who would be favourite against him in them(although FBH has a great ability to lose to nonames,but so does Kal). Kal is the other dragons's bitch in P v P,even Stork looks like to have found the key to beat him,because he wasn't able to do that before for some reason,and I think Kal is also capable of losing against Pusan,Movie,Backho in a series. His P v P is about equal as FBH's T v P,only that FBH managed to beat him in direct encounter. There T v Z is about equal,but FBH's T v T is better than Kal's P v T and he is far more consistent in PL than Kal is,and I have the impression that they will both be eliminated from every leagues in an embarassing way,like they did last seasons,and FBH this OSL. I think Kal is terrible atm. I like his playstyle,it's similar to Bisu's and he is spectacular and creative,but he is not such a great player. I can even imagine exchanging him with UpMagic or Mind.
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1. Bisu
2. Flash
3. Stork
4. Jangbi
5. Jaedong
6. Mind
7. Best
8. Kal
9. Free
10. Leta
CNBC: July, Firebathero, UpMagic
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On January 05 2009 06:16 Darth Peter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2009 04:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 05 2009 03:24 Sprite wrote:On January 05 2009 01:58 Jaeden wrote:On January 05 2009 01:49 Darth Peter wrote:
[text] I agree with 1-6 of ur PR. Just that I don`t know how some of u can think that FBH should be above free ?! Leta should be higher, and I also would put kal above FBH Reasons? FBH beats Kal on Destination, FBH beats Jaedong (TWICE), oh yeah and maybe Battlecruisers. exactly...last month FBH won 5 matches against zergs and casy, and then lost to July ( yet another zerg ), and Best +kal is in both leagues + better overall imho, no biass here edit: Kal also beat JD if u are thinking that I hate FBH for that reason And who did Kal beat to qualify? He beat Propose and Thezerg,which is Kal's best MU and Thezerg is terrible,and he was already seeded in MSL. He got eliminated facing the first good player,Mind. Last month he was only 9th,when he at least won matches. This month,he beat Jaedong,and that's it. He has only one stellar MU,and he is inconsistent in even that, losing to Protoss bitch Yarnc. Now FBH loses against underdogs too,but he has at least to great MU atm moment and I don't know any player who would be favourite against him in them(although FBH has a great ability to lose to nonames,but so does Kal). Kal is the other dragons's bitch in P v P,even Stork looks like to have found the key to beat him,because he wasn't able to do that before for some reason,and I think Kal is also capable of losing against Pusan,Movie,Backho in a series. His P v P is about equal as FBH's T v P,only that FBH managed to beat him in direct encounter. There T v Z is about equal,but FBH's T v T is better than Kal's P v T and he is far more consistent in PL than Kal is,and I have the impression that they will both be eliminated from every leagues in an embarassing way,like they did last seasons,and FBH this OSL. I think Kal is terrible atm. I like his playstyle,it's similar to Bisu's and he is spectacular and creative,but he is not such a great player. I can even imagine exchanging him with UpMagic or Mind.
Mind yes, he`s really good, but I would change FBH with him.
FBH is so weak in TvP, and Kal beat Free pretty recently(although I haven`t watched that game). The thing is, Kal only lost to Stork and Jangbi, so I don`t think that is pretty bad..oh and The bo3 against Mind (the game against FakeYellow was after the last PR, at that time FakeYellow was pretty damn good, but yeah, that game was horrid, and that was the reason why kal was put behind JD)
I simply disagree here, well, these are just opinions
actually, even forGG there would be an option
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On January 05 2009 07:56 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2009 06:16 Darth Peter wrote:On January 05 2009 04:39 Jaeden wrote:On January 05 2009 03:24 Sprite wrote:On January 05 2009 01:58 Jaeden wrote:On January 05 2009 01:49 Darth Peter wrote:
[text] I agree with 1-6 of ur PR. Just that I don`t know how some of u can think that FBH should be above free ?! Leta should be higher, and I also would put kal above FBH Reasons? FBH beats Kal on Destination, FBH beats Jaedong (TWICE), oh yeah and maybe Battlecruisers. exactly...last month FBH won 5 matches against zergs and casy, and then lost to July ( yet another zerg ), and Best +kal is in both leagues + better overall imho, no biass here edit: Kal also beat JD if u are thinking that I hate FBH for that reason And who did Kal beat to qualify? He beat Propose and Thezerg,which is Kal's best MU and Thezerg is terrible,and he was already seeded in MSL. He got eliminated facing the first good player,Mind. Last month he was only 9th,when he at least won matches. This month,he beat Jaedong,and that's it. He has only one stellar MU,and he is inconsistent in even that, losing to Protoss bitch Yarnc. Now FBH loses against underdogs too,but he has at least to great MU atm moment and I don't know any player who would be favourite against him in them(although FBH has a great ability to lose to nonames,but so does Kal). Kal is the other dragons's bitch in P v P,even Stork looks like to have found the key to beat him,because he wasn't able to do that before for some reason,and I think Kal is also capable of losing against Pusan,Movie,Backho in a series. His P v P is about equal as FBH's T v P,only that FBH managed to beat him in direct encounter. There T v Z is about equal,but FBH's T v T is better than Kal's P v T and he is far more consistent in PL than Kal is,and I have the impression that they will both be eliminated from every leagues in an embarassing way,like they did last seasons,and FBH this OSL. I think Kal is terrible atm. I like his playstyle,it's similar to Bisu's and he is spectacular and creative,but he is not such a great player. I can even imagine exchanging him with UpMagic or Mind. Mind yes, he`s really good, but I would change FBH with him. FBH is so weak in TvP, and Kal beat Free pretty recently(although I haven`t watched that game). The thing is, Kal only lost to Stork and Jangbi, so I don`t think that is pretty bad..oh and The bo3 against Mind (the game against FakeYellow was after the last PR, at that time FakeYellow was pretty damn good, but yeah, that game was horrid, and that was the reason why kal was put behind JD) I simply disagree here, well, these are just opinions actually, even forGG there would be an option
I respect your opinion but you can't downplay FBH's TvT and TvZ, on the note of his TvP it has been historically bad but it shows signs of improving.
firebathero will be playing mind in a few days so we might as well watch that.
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United States43758 Posts
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaackhoooooooooo!!!!!
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1. Bisu
2. Flash
3. Jaedong
4. Jangbi
5. Stork
6. Best
7. Leta
8. Mind
9. Effort
10. FBH
(gaps = skill gaps at the moment)
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EPT
