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On January 04 2009 06:22 Phradamon wrote:
If someone asks himself right now if Leta should be on PR is unbelievable after all he played in recent 5 months...i think in last 5 months he has best score from all people, he's the most constant player from SC progaming from SKT vs OGN match last year
Everyone says Leta should be on the PR, no one is denying that. Though there are players that have been more consistent in the last year, like Best for example, who's been more successful as well.
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On January 04 2009 04:48 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2009 03:28 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 04 2009 03:23 Elyvilon wrote:On January 04 2009 03:22 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 04 2009 02:32 Elyvilon wrote:On January 04 2009 01:46 TarsTarkas wrote:
I think that the problem with Leta's play style is that in a Starleague, in a series, many people think it won't do him much good. He waits for people to make mistakes, and this often happens - especially in pro league. But in a starleague this probably wont work out so well. I bet BeSt was waiting for July to make a mistake too -_- I've seen a lot of people say this, but I'm not sure what it means. What makes Leta someone that waits for mistakes? it means, usually progamers makes a few mistakes. Leta usually doesn't so he usually wins. I get that much, but how does that make him different from the other top players? well, according to some people the other top players can face a good opponent who doesn't make any mistakes and still win coz of insane macro micro etc.. one word: Creativity
Among even the top 10 in the PR, only a few of the players have shown that trait in the past few months.
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On January 04 2009 06:23 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2009 06:22 Phradamon wrote:If someone asks himself right now if  Leta should be on PR is unbelievable after all he played in recent 5 months...i think in Last 5 months he has best score from all people, he's the most constant player from SC progaming from SKT vs OGN match Last year Everyone says Leta should be on the PR, no one is denying that. Though there are players that have been more consistent in the Last year, like Best for example, who's been more successful as well.
There are not 10 better/consistent players than Leta, 6 maybe with him taking FBH place, but definatelly he should be infront of  Kal, free, FBH and Sea. I didnt consider Sea deserved Last month his place, now Mind is more adequate.
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jaedong is obviously the best player ever
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On January 04 2009 07:58 911wasaLIE wrote:
jaedong is obviously the best player ever
aye, mon
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Creativity is overrated, IMO. Flash no longer has creativity(he used to). Stork for a long time gathered silvers without creativity. Once you succeed by playing a certain style, usually you don't deviate unless you are naturally creative, like Kal or FBH.
The problem with Leta is that he's shown a conservative style that's of LOWER quality than the top players. I happened to have seen both his game against Jangbi and against Best. Both players just crushed him. It's what happens when a conservative player plays a better player.
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Tempest vs. Light winner needs some sort of sick honorable mention.
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On January 04 2009 09:23 baubo wrote:
Creativity is overrated, IMO. Flash no longer has creativity(he used to). Stork for a long time gathered silvers without creativity. Once you succeed by playing a certain style, usually you don't deviate unless you are naturally creative, like Kal or FBH.
The problem with Leta is that he's shown a conservative style that's of LOWER quality than the top players. I happened to have seen both his game against Jangbi and against Best. Both players just crushed him. It's what happens when a conservative player plays a better player.
Letas TvP is probably his worst, kindof like FBH. Coz leta is really good TvT and TvZ.
His tvt includes wins vs firebathero sea mind forgg etc..
So its abit unfair to say that his style overall is of lower quality. Firebathero got 6th on PR based on his tvt and tvz.
also wow, now bisu and savior has the same ELO Peak^^
bisu is close to getting the highest ever, unless he loses to flash now.
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I don't know if his T v P is bad. It's untested. Few months ago he has beaten Best and Kal too. He lost to Jangbi and Best recently,but you can't really tell his T v P is bad.
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The moment of truth is coming. I hope Bisu can beat Flash today. GL HF.
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On January 04 2009 18:37 Darth Peter wrote:
I don't know if his T v P is bad. It's untested. Few months ago he has beaten Best and Kal too. He lost to Jangbi and Best recently,but you can't really tell his T v P is bad.
agreed, nevertheless one cannot use his TvP as a good arguement to put him high on the ranks.
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+ Show Spoiler [Bisu vs Flash] +IMO Bisu and Flash should be #1 and #2 this next rank. I gotta go to sleep now, so I won't know how this series turns out, but its currently 1-1, and this has been a really sexy series. Great play out of both thus far.
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On January 04 2009 17:37 AnOth3rDAy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2009 09:23 baubo wrote:
Creativity is overrated, IMO. Flash no longer has creativity(he used to). Stork for a long time gathered silvers without creativity. Once you succeed by playing a certain style, usually you don't deviate unless you are naturally creative, like Kal or FBH.
The problem with Leta is that he's shown a conservative style that's of LOWER quality than the top players. I happened to have seen both his game against Jangbi and against Best. Both players just crushed him. It's what happens when a conservative player plays a better player. Letas TvP is probably his worst, kindof like FBH. Coz leta is really good TvT and TvZ. His tvt includes wins vs firebathero sea mind forgg etc.. So its abit unfair to say that his style overall is of lower quality. Firebathero got 6th on PR based on his tvt and tvz.
FBH is a lot more proven in his TvZ than Leta. He is legitimately S-class in two matchups. You can only say that about Leta in one.
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On January 04 2009 20:30 Sentenal wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Bisu vs Flash] +IMO Bisu and Flash should be #1 and #2 this next rank. I gotta go to sleep now, so I won't know how this series turns out, but its currently 1-1, and this has been a really sexy series. Great play out of both thus far.
how can u go to sleeeeep ?! :s
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+ Show Spoiler +OMG it was one of the best series ever! I know I am biased as hell,but Damn!!! How can Bisu be so good. And give credit where it's due,Flash played well too,but the outcome was inevitable. I have already seen fanboys and Bisu haters come up with,well,Flash was sick,he didn't practice. Now let me ask. How much did Bisu practice when he had two games today before that? Simply the better player won. Perhaps Flash deserves no2 on the next PR,idk. It's hard to call tho. Stork does not deserve to be no2,but Flash doesn't deserve to be above Stork because he lost to him,and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Perhaps put Bisu on the first 2 places 
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On January 04 2009 21:22 Darth Peter wrote:+ Show Spoiler +OMG it was one of the best series ever! I know I am biased as hell,but Damn!!! How can Bisu be so good. And give credit where it's due,Flash played well too,but the outcome was inevitable. I have already seen fanboys and Bisu haters come up with,well,Flash was sick,he didn't practice. Now let me ask. How much did Bisu practice when he had two games today before that? Simply the better player won. Perhaps Flash deserves no2 on the next PR,idk. It's hard to call tho. Stork does not deserve to be no2,but Flash doesn't deserve to be above Stork because he lost to him,and that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Perhaps put Bisu on the first 2 places
Jaeeeeeeeedooooong , jk
however + Show Spoiler [GSL] +
bisu won :D, but that HUGE mistake in the last game when he stasis'd his own shuttles with the HighTemplars in them, omg, I thought he might still lose the game right there :s
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On January 04 2009 09:23 baubo wrote:
Creativity is overrated, IMO. Flash no longer has creativity(he used to). Stork for a long time gathered silvers without creativity. Once you succeed by playing a certain style, usually you don't deviate unless you are naturally creative, like Kal or FBH.
The problem with Leta is that he's shown a conservative style that's of LOWER quality than the top players. I happened to have seen both his game against Jangbi and against Best. Both players just crushed him. It's what happens when a conservative player plays a better player.
Yep. There's a huge difference between Leta's play and Flash's.
However, I think it's correct to say that there aren't currently 10 people who qualify as 'better' players right now. Leta's level of play isn't the top, but it's pretty good and incredibly consistant.
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On January 04 2009 03:23 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2009 03:22 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 04 2009 02:32 Elyvilon wrote:On January 04 2009 01:46 TarsTarkas wrote:
I think that the problem with Leta's play style is that in a Starleague, in a series, many people think it won't do him much good. He waits for people to make mistakes, and this often happens - especially in pro league. But in a starleague this probably wont work out so well. I bet BeSt was waiting for July to make a mistake too -_- I've seen a lot of people say this, but I'm not sure what it means. What makes Leta someone that waits for mistakes? it means, usually progamers makes a few mistakes. Leta usually doesn't so he usually wins. I get that much, but how does that make him different from the other top players?
The problem lies in the fact that Leta's play, while exceedingly safe and very consistant, isn't 'top level'. There's nothing extraordinary about Leta's games besides the fact that he is very careful and really doesn't fuck up. That's great for ProLeague, but imagine Leta in a bo5 against Jangbi? Or Bisu? Jaedong? These players require a little more than adequacy.
Leta's TvZ stats are a little misleading given how god-awful every zerg besides Jaedong has played in the last three months. His TvT is the real deal, because his slow and methodical approach is by far the strongest mentality in that matchup. His other two matchups are what you could call 'good enough', if that makes sense. There's nothing special besides the fact that he can play at the same level day in and day out, which some other players seem to struggle with (cough cough).
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+ Show Spoiler +OMG what a series that was! When bisu statised his own shuttles i was, HOW THE FUCK COULD YOU SCREW UP THIS AWESOME SERIES LIKE THIS!! Than Bisu's insane multitask and harass skill granted to him the comeback. Seriously, he was in soo deep shit, he was behind in unit counts, and the push reached his natural, 2 of his expos were under siege. And he made it. God dammit, that guy is good. Put him on the first 2 places (or give the second place to someone who beat him :D)
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On January 04 2009 23:44 Geo.Rion wrote:+ Show Spoiler +OMG what a series that was! When bisu statised his own shuttles i was, HOW THE FUCK COULD YOU SCREW UP THIS AWESOME SERIES LIKE THIS!! Than Bisu's insane multitask and harass skill granted to him the comeback. Seriously, he was in soo deep shit, he was behind in unit counts, and the push reached his natural, 2 of his expos were under siege. And he made it. God dammit, that guy is good. Put him on the first 2 places (or give the second place to someone who beat him :D)
+ Show Spoiler +Bisu was not behind at that moment. Flash needed some sort of miracle to take down all bisus expantions while bisu could macro from all his gateways. Since he was almost out of scans and no vessels he could not fight vs both arbiters and dark templars.
frankly im abit sick of all these spoilers in this thread, only an idiot would read the thread if he hadn't seen the matches and didn't want anything to get spoiled imo.
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