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On January 01 2009 01:30 Jaeden wrote:stork yes, flash no-no, imho . Flash fans are more anoyin` than bisu ones, they are like the JD ones, or even worse  I`m not sayin` u are a hater or somethin` like that..but that`s the truth
Just take a look: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=84973. Flash fans have to deal with some of the worst haters here. It looks like he is the most hatred top progammer right now (or almost).
And great great post about haters, Darth Peter. But I would expect nothing less from somebody who has such a huge experience in hating  .
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On January 01 2009 22:54 adelarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2009 01:30 Jaeden wrote:stork yes, flash no-no, imho . Flash fans are more anoyin` than bisu ones, they are like the JD ones, or even worse I`m not sayin` u are a hater or somethin` like that..but that`s the truth Just take a look: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=84973. Flash fans have to deal with some of the worst haters here. It looks like he is the most hatred top progammer right now (or almost). And great great post about haters, Darth Peter. But I would expect nothing less from somebody who has such a huge experience in hating .
Lol
+ Show Spoiler +Anyway,I have mixed feelings about Jd's matches today. He qualified and beat Skyhigh in two good games,but he played fuckin' horribly against Canata. Btw,what happened with Canata? He was a one MU wonder,and now he beat a toss and the top zerg. And Skt1 is using him in the next two matches,so he must have improved.
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Nobody gives credit for JD that he "revolutionized" the ZvT on Sin Chupung? 3 ZvTs were won there (5 lost) all of them were against the best TvZs (FBH, Hwasin, Fantasy) and all 3 of them were similar. Queens and early hive (a bit later in the most recent one). Fantasy was so hyped when he succseeded with his valkayre build, even though Boxer used valkyres and all kind of mechanic units several times, even couple days befor the Fantasy vs GGplay. Nobody used queens in ZvT at least not recently(expect hyvaa, who sux, and his plan was bad, i dont know, the bo might be viable)
about the STX vs Oz, to me it means that JD is not back in his absolut-dominating form. Sadly. But he's still the best Zerg by far. Hwasin commited mistakes but played well and lost, Kal won cuz he played very well and that was his best mu. + Show Spoiler +the MST groups prove the same
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Yeah,but he can still win MSL and OSL,he can get back his top form until then. Bisu sucked too when the seasons began and is now the best player. I would love if my two favourite players would dominate the title scene.Jd for MSL,Bisu for OSL because he didn't win it yet.
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On January 01 2009 22:54 adelarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2009 01:30 Jaeden wrote:stork yes, flash no-no, imho . Flash fans are more anoyin` than bisu ones, they are like the JD ones, or even worse I`m not sayin` u are a hater or somethin` like that..but that`s the truth Just take a look: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=84973. Flash fans have to deal with some of the worst haters here. It looks like he is the most hatred top progammer right now (or almost). And great great post about haters, Darth Peter. But I would expect nothing less from somebody who has such a huge experience in hating .
lol, u are takin` it waaaaay to seriously. It`s not hatin`, it`s just jokes, and the jokes hurt u 2 because u are a fan
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Next power rank, I'm thinking
1. Bisu
2. Stork/Flash
3. Stork/Flash
4.Jangbi/Jaedong/Best
5.Jangbi/Jaedong/Best
6.Jangbi/Jaedong/Best
7.Free/Kal/Leta
8.Free/Kal/Leta
9.Free/Kal/Leta
10. ??
Although, Leta is hard to position, it all depends on what you think power is and how you view his situation.
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On January 02 2009 04:48 Jaeden wrote:lol, u are takin` it waaaaay to seriously. It`s not hatin`, it`s just jokes, and the jokes hurt u 2 because u are a fan
Yeah, the majority there was really just joking, but some of the replies seemed to me like...like their autors are just waiting for even the smallest opportunity to express their hate.
I didn't see this stuff happened in other interviews...not to this degree. But yes, I can be biased, I admit that, eventhough I think (hope) I can usually stay objective.
On January 02 2009 06:33 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Next power rank, I'm thinking
1. Bisu
2. Stork/Flash
3. Stork/Flash
4.Jangbi/Jaedong/Best
5.Jangbi/Jaedong/Best
6.Jangbi/Jaedong/Best
7.Free/Kal/Leta
8.Free/Kal/Leta
9.Free/Kal/Leta
10. ??
I think Mind should be there somewhere. I would definitely put him above Kal, maybe even above free. And not just because I'm his fan .
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On January 02 2009 04:48 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2009 22:54 adelarge wrote:On January 01 2009 01:30 Jaeden wrote:stork yes, flash no-no, imho . Flash fans are more anoyin` than bisu ones, they are like the JD ones, or even worse I`m not sayin` u are a hater or somethin` like that..but that`s the truth Just take a look: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=84973. Flash fans have to deal with some of the worst haters here. It looks like he is the most hatred top progammer right now (or almost). And great great post about haters, Darth Peter. But I would expect nothing less from somebody who has such a huge experience in hating . lol, u are takin` it waaaaay to seriously. It`s not hatin`, it`s just jokes, and the jokes hurt u 2 because u are a fan
idk. I read all the interviews with the progamers at TL and haven't seen that many people 'joking' in any of them. Also just a couple months ago when Flash uderwent a small slump there were quite a few posts saying lots of negative stuff about Flash (comments like 'die noob' weren't rare)... Haven't seen in written/said about any other progamer.
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Can anyone link me to some good Leta games (not the ones vs. Sea, I saw those already)? I want to have a peek at what people are hyped about beyond Sea failing miserably in that series (sorry FS).
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Is that a clever way of saying the amount of wins is the cause of the hype, not the manner? You're supporting Steve's opinion, I want some of the people who disagree with him to point out some games.
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On January 02 2009 06:33 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Next power rank, I'm thinking
1. Bisu
2. Stork/Flash
3. Stork/Flash
4.Jangbi/Jaedong/Best
5.Jangbi/Jaedong/Best
6.Jangbi/Jaedong/Best
7.Free/Kal/Leta
8.Free/Kal/Leta
9.Free/Kal/Leta
10. ??
Although, Leta is hard to position, it all depends on what you think power is and how you view his situation.
FBH should definitely be on the PR. Other than that I think Mind deserves a rank,and I am not sure about Kal,although beating JD is a great point for him,but other than that he didn't play well enough.
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On January 02 2009 15:40 Darth Peter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2009 06:33 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Next power rank, I'm thinking
1. Bisu
2. Stork/Flash
3. Stork/Flash
4.Jangbi/Jaedong/Best
5.Jangbi/Jaedong/Best
6.Jangbi/Jaedong/Best
7.Free/Kal/Leta
8.Free/Kal/Leta
9.Free/Kal/Leta
10. ??
Although, Leta is hard to position, it all depends on what you think power is and how you view his situation.
FBH should definitely be on the PR. Other than that I think Mind deserves a rank,and I am not sure about Kal,although beating JD is a great point for him,but other than that he didn't play well enough.
kal should be above FBH imo
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On January 02 2009 08:19 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2009 04:48 Jaeden wrote:On January 01 2009 22:54 adelarge wrote:On January 01 2009 01:30 Jaeden wrote:stork yes, flash no-no, imho . Flash fans are more anoyin` than bisu ones, they are like the JD ones, or even worse I`m not sayin` u are a hater or somethin` like that..but that`s the truth Just take a look: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=84973. Flash fans have to deal with some of the worst haters here. It looks like he is the most hatred top progammer right now (or almost). And great great post about haters, Darth Peter. But I would expect nothing less from somebody who has such a huge experience in hating . lol, u are takin` it waaaaay to seriously. It`s not hatin`, it`s just jokes, and the jokes hurt u 2 because u are a fan idk. I read all the interviews with the progamers at TL and haven't seen that many people 'joking' in any of them. Also just a couple months ago when Flash uderwent a small slump there were quite a few posts saying lots of negative stuff about Flash (comments like 'die noob' weren't rare)... Haven't seen in written/said about any other progamer.
oh c`mon, that`s not hate, none of them says that Flash is a weak player and stuff. Honestly, in the JD vs Hwasin game, a huuuge amount of people said that Hwasin sucked, his vessel control was dumb, etc. Makin` all the opponents that JD won against is hate for JD, not sayin` that he doesn`t know how to socialize.
I agree that Flash has haters, but I was just sayin` that Flash also has some REALLY stupid fanboys...JD has them too, nonetheless
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On January 02 2009 17:12 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2009 08:19 Lebesgue wrote:On January 02 2009 04:48 Jaeden wrote:On January 01 2009 22:54 adelarge wrote:On January 01 2009 01:30 Jaeden wrote:stork yes, flash no-no, imho . Flash fans are more anoyin` than bisu ones, they are like the JD ones, or even worse I`m not sayin` u are a hater or somethin` like that..but that`s the truth Just take a look: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=84973. Flash fans have to deal with some of the worst haters here. It looks like he is the most hatred top progammer right now (or almost). And great great post about haters, Darth Peter. But I would expect nothing less from somebody who has such a huge experience in hating . lol, u are takin` it waaaaay to seriously. It`s not hatin`, it`s just jokes, and the jokes hurt u 2 because u are a fan idk. I read all the interviews with the progamers at TL and haven't seen that many people 'joking' in any of them. Also just a couple months ago when Flash uderwent a small slump there were quite a few posts saying lots of negative stuff about Flash (comments like 'die noob' weren't rare)... Haven't seen in written/said about any other progamer. oh c`mon, that`s not hate, none of them says that Flash is a weak player and stuff. Honestly, in the JD vs Hwasin game, a huuuge amount of people said that Hwasin sucked, his vessel control was dumb, etc. Makin` all the opponents that JD won against is hate for JD, not sayin` that he doesn`t know how to socialize. I agree that Flash has haters, but I was just sayin` that Flash also has some REALLY stupid fanboys...JD has them too, nonetheless
Lebesgue : If you read Anytime's interview befor joining ACE you cannot take that fully for serious. And also Flash's interview contained some funny lines, i dont know if they were meant to be jokes, but they were funny nontheless.
Every good player will have fans and haters. Even Boxer had a waste number of haters if i read it correctly. And occasionaly some of the fans will be a dumb. Cant be helped. I really dislike Flash too, but i admit he's the best Terran since Oov (it can be argued ofc)
Whoever JD beats his vessel control looks bad. That's because JD is the best at sniping key units such as hts and vessels, dropships/shuttles etc. I can remember one terran who could keep his vessels in relative safety against a well playing JD, and that was Flash on his peak. And i'm not even sure, i have to rewatch those series. In late game TvZs you MUST irradiate the defilers and the ultras when they are far, even if you lose your vessels. If darkswarm reaches your natural you're fucked.
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On January 02 2009 18:16 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2009 17:12 Jaeden wrote:On January 02 2009 08:19 Lebesgue wrote:On January 02 2009 04:48 Jaeden wrote:On January 01 2009 22:54 adelarge wrote:On January 01 2009 01:30 Jaeden wrote:stork yes, flash no-no, imho . Flash fans are more anoyin` than bisu ones, they are like the JD ones, or even worse I`m not sayin` u are a hater or somethin` like that..but that`s the truth Just take a look: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=84973. Flash fans have to deal with some of the worst haters here. It looks like he is the most hatred top progammer right now (or almost). And great great post about haters, Darth Peter. But I would expect nothing less from somebody who has such a huge experience in hating . lol, u are takin` it waaaaay to seriously. It`s not hatin`, it`s just jokes, and the jokes hurt u 2 because u are a fan idk. I read all the interviews with the progamers at TL and haven't seen that many people 'joking' in any of them. Also just a couple months ago when Flash uderwent a small slump there were quite a few posts saying lots of negative stuff about Flash (comments like 'die noob' weren't rare)... Haven't seen in written/said about any other progamer. oh c`mon, that`s not hate, none of them says that Flash is a weak player and stuff. Honestly, in the JD vs Hwasin game, a huuuge amount of people said that Hwasin sucked, his vessel control was dumb, etc. Makin` all the opponents that JD won against is hate for JD, not sayin` that he doesn`t know how to socialize. I agree that Flash has haters, but I was just sayin` that Flash also has some REALLY stupid fanboys...JD has them too, nonetheless Lebesgue : If you read Anytime's interview befor joining ACE you cannot take that fully for serious. And also Flash's interview contained some funny lines, i dont know if they were meant to be jokes, but they were funny nontheless. Every good player will have fans and haters. Even Boxer had a waste number of haters if i read it correctly. And occasionaly some of the fans will be a dumb. Cant be helped. I really dislike Flash too, but i admit he's the best Terran since Oov (it can be argued ofc) Whoever JD beats his vessel control looks bad. That's because JD is the best at sniping key units such as hts and vessels, dropships/shuttles etc. I can remember one terran who could keep his vessels in relative safety against a well playing JD, and that was Flash on his peak. And i'm not even sure, i have to rewatch those series. In late game TvZs you MUST irradiate the defilers and the ultras when they are far, even if you lose your vessels. If darkswarm reaches your natural you're fucked.
I guess that's true. It is enough to browse the forum to see some dumb comments by people blinded by hate to some top 10 progamer.
If you look for a game that Terran kept his vessels alive quite well I think FBH did very good job vs Jaedong on Harmony this season. But yeah, I agree that Jaedong is amazing at snipping vessels.
Also in almost any game you can either argue that the player who won played really well or the loser made mistakes that cost him game. But that's just how it is: a game is won by the person who makes fewer mistakes.
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So no one can provide me with a good Leta game where he played exceptionally well?
I think that solidifies FS's argument for why he should not progress past the bottom 3 ranks of the PR, or far in an SL.
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On January 03 2009 01:33 fanatacist wrote:
So no one can provide me with a good Leta game where he played exceptionally well?
I think that solidifies FS's argument for why he should not progress past the bottom 3 ranks of the PR, or far in an SL.
or it means no one has read it or wanted to post any link to a vod
he obviously plays really well making few mistakes or his record wouldn't be so good.
i myself haven't watched many of his games but im looking forward to watching them soon with some snacks and redbull!
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Jaedong is so fucking sick. Just saw him vs Hwasin. Jawdropping play.
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