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On December 30 2008 00:51 Darth Peter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 00:16 MrHoon wrote: Jaedong vs  Flash10 - 6 (including season 1)  Stork vs Flash9 - 7 Bisu vs Flash3 - 8 Flash always had bad records against JD and Stork. It was just that Flash took wins in critical games (except against jd). And Darth, after reading your posts it seems as if you're just hating on flash and not giving any good arguments. Who did Bisu beat? After the finals he beat Yarnc, Calm, Reach, Hoejja, Pure, Stork and Young. Yarnc is from OGN, the team who always loses against protoss, Calm is the most overrated Zerg ever, Reach? LOL, Hoejja beat FBH but that was ZvT and Young who I've never even heard of. Stork lost to Pusan, Movie, Bisu and lost to BackHo Twice. Stork played 9 games and lost 4. I can tell you none of these top players have been performing amazingly except JD who is coming back from his mini slump. And Geo, its fucking lose not loose. Oh right, and did you know iloveoov also had even or worse records against top players (except yellow)? By your logic iloveoov was a shitty player who got lucky in lineups. Okay,I cannot deny my hate for Flash. I can't stand that kid for some reason,but I think I gave arguments,not just expressed my hatred for him. I think I never said Flash is a shitty player,and definitely wasn't lucky in the lineups. His OSL win was one of the most deserving in the history of e-sports. He dominated in that season players like Jaedong,Bisu,Stork,the best in the business that time. He also won the Gom and took Jd to eliminate him from MSL. . I said he is not top 3 right now. When Flash was the best player on the world,he beat everybody,in every MU. Nowadays,it seems as if his T v Z is bad,losing to a lot of Zerg players even in this time of peril for Zergs. I don't care about the all-time stats of the players against each other. If Stork was 10-0 against Flash,Jd 5-0 and Bisu 7-1,but Flash beat them all in a month after an MSL or OSL win,I would say Flash is hotter at the moment. And that is what PR is about. Who has momentum and who is hotter atm. You ask about who did Bisu beat. Well,he is in all three leagues,one month after his MSL victory while Flash was horrible in the last MSL and OSL. Never really mond tho,but I would expect from Flash something what JD does right now. Despite my hate for flash,I found him one of the most dominating players on the field. I always admired how he can beat everybody in every league,no matter Map imbalance and other factors. That is what I don't sense in Flash right now. He is dominating against lesser opponents,and I get the feeling that he is just helpless against the better players. He doesn't really make mistakes,and his macro is always insane,but it appears that that he is just behind the other player for some reason,and can only win if the other fucks up something badly(like Free). I mean if his name wasn't Flash,he wouldn't even be in this position I think. Just look at Leta. He has the same stats in Proleague,is in both leagues yet,beating similar opponents. If it wasn't for Flash's history,I think nobody would even consider putting him in top2.
good point about Leta, but i think he will be quite high next PR around 5th place
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I think alot of next rank is gona be decided by the bisu vs flash game imo. Before that its all speculations.
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On December 30 2008 00:16 MrHoon wrote:Jaedong vs Flash10 - 6 (including season 1) Stork vs Flash9 - 7 Bisu vs Flash3 - 8 Flash always had bad records against JD and Stork. It was just that Flash took wins in critical games (except against jd). And Darth, after reading your posts it seems as if you're just hating on flash and not giving any good arguments. Who did Bisu beat? After the finals he beat Yarnc, Calm, Reach, Hoejja, Pure, Stork and Young. Yarnc is from OGN, the team who always loses against protoss, Calm is the most overrated Zerg ever, Reach? LOL, Hoejja beat FBH but that was ZvT and Young who I've never even heard of. Stork lost to Pusan, Movie, Bisu and lost to BackHo Twice. Stork played 9 games and lost 4. I can tell you none of these top players have been performing amazingly except JD who is coming back from his mini slump. And Geo, its fucking lose not loose. Oh right, and did you know iloveoov also had even or worse records against top players (except yellow)? By your logic iloveoov was a shitty player who got lucky in lineups.
No idea what you're talking about.
iloveoov has losing records against:
Anytime (2-3)
Sync (4-5)
Xellos (4-7)
Savior (3-9)
He did have a losing record against July up until 2006 but oov is the exact opposite of what you're talking about; nobody is better off in this respect than him.
Flash is too flimsy right now but he was looking great for a bit. He looked great on his streak and his loss to Zero was acceptable because the latter played so incredibly well (closest to Savior we've seen in a year and a half) but the losses vs Stork and Jaedong were pretty bad play (though Neo Harmony does not favor T in TvP more than a tiny bit. Original Harmony favored T much more but it wasn't that bad).
Leta isn't as favored as Flash by FakeSteve for good reasons as he said at some point: Leta wins by playing very safe/solid and his opponents making mistakes.
On the other hand, Flash in form wins by just outthinking and sometimes outplaying them; gaining advantages from his own ability rather than his opponent's mistakes. He's definitely not in form right now but he's better than that horrible slump he was a few months ago where he relied upon mechanics alone and got stomped over and over again.
Anyway I normally stay out of PR now because fanboys have singlehandedly turned it into a muck hole where you can never convince them of anything before they spew forth mountains of garbage on how their player (usually Jaedong) is amazing or whatever. I can definitely understand why FS doesn't reply all that often.
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On December 29 2008 23:52 Darth Peter wrote:
It's not a shame,but to have a spot in the top 3,you gotta beat all comers. JD lsoing Sea,FBH twice and Kal wasn't a shame either,but he was dropped,because if you want a spot in top5,you have to beat all of them,or lose only one or two matches out of these. Yeah,Jangbi only beaten Pusan,Leta,and the others(and he cheesed Pusan),but tell me,who did Flash beat this month,who was good?
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Recently, Flash has lost to Stork, and Jaedong. Stork is currently ranked #2, Flash is currently ranked #3. If you are ranked #3, you are favored to win most games you play, except when playing #1 and #2. He lost vs Jaedong, which was the only game where he lost vs a "lesser" player. #3 players are NOT expected to beat #1 and #2. That is why they are at #3. If Flash loses to Bisu, guess what? BISU IS RANKED #1. Flash is NOT expected to beat him. Therefore, Flash losing to Bisu, should have NO negative impact on him when it comes to the Power Ranks. Its like all you people still see Flash and Jaedong as #1 and #2, and therefore expect them to beat everyone, and if they don't, "omg slump!"
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On December 30 2008 08:33 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 23:52 Darth Peter wrote:
It's not a shame,but to have a spot in the top 3,you gotta beat all comers. JD lsoing Sea,FBH twice and Kal wasn't a shame either,but he was dropped,because if you want a spot in top5,you have to beat all of them,or lose only one or two matches out of these. Yeah,Jangbi only beaten Pusan,Leta,and the others(and he cheesed Pusan),but tell me,who did Flash beat this month,who was good? ... Recently, Flash has lost to Stork, and Jaedong. Stork is currently ranked #2, Flash is currently ranked #3. If you are ranked #3, you are favored to win most games you play, except when playing #1 and #2. He lost vs Jaedong, which was the only game where he lost vs a "lesser" player. #3 players are NOT expected to beat #1 and #2. That is why they are at #3. If Flash loses to Bisu, guess what? BISU IS RANKED #1. Flash is NOT expected to beat him. Therefore, Flash losing to Bisu, should have NO negative impact on him when it comes to the Power Ranks. Its like all you people still see Flash and Jaedong as #1 and #2, and therefore expect them to beat everyone, and if they don't, "omg slump!"
I didn't say Flash cannot remain on 3,I said that he doesn't deserve 2 under the given circumstances. According to your logic than,what should get those,who are not expected to beat the no1,but still does,among other good players?(Of course I am refering to Jaedong).
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I feel that the PR is too analytical nowadays, and rehashing the same arguments. =/
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A question for the people who support FS's placement of Flash in #3 this month (he's SO not gonna be there next month...):
Anyway, can anyone submit justification for Flash's position? Newb at SC here, blah blah, D- whatever. But, whenever I heard "oh, flash won omfg he's monstrous godmode again!" I'd end up seeing he was playing against some whiny bitch B-teamer or some person I'd never heard of..
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On December 30 2008 08:33 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 23:52 Darth Peter wrote:
It's not a shame,but to have a spot in the top 3,you gotta beat all comers. JD lsoing Sea,FBH twice and Kal wasn't a shame either,but he was dropped,because if you want a spot in top5,you have to beat all of them,or lose only one or two matches out of these. Yeah,Jangbi only beaten Pusan,Leta,and the others(and he cheesed Pusan),but tell me,who did Flash beat this month,who was good? ... Recently, Flash has lost to Stork, and Jaedong. Stork is currently ranked #2, Flash is currently ranked #3. If you are ranked #3, you are favored to win most games you play, except when playing #1 and #2. He lost vs Jaedong, which was the only game where he lost vs a "lesser" player. #3 players are NOT expected to beat #1 and #2. That is why they are at #3. If Flash loses to Bisu, guess what? BISU IS RANKED #1. Flash is NOT expected to beat him. Therefore, Flash losing to Bisu, should have NO negative impact on him when it comes to the Power Ranks. Its like all you people still see Flash and Jaedong as #1 and #2, and therefore expect them to beat everyone, and if they don't, "omg slump!"
however this is illogical since BeSt is expected to beat Firebathero.
PR isnt really that accurate, sometimes a player ranked lower is expected to beat a higher ranked player.
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It seems that nobody focuses on overall strengths anymore, and compares progamers too much. I mean, some comparison is fine, it's just that everything is comparison nowadays. I dunno, maybe it's just me.
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You guys must be nuts or something. Flash has always owned Bisu when it counts. He's likely to do so again, and finish Bisu off with some spectacular cheesy play.
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On December 30 2008 10:15 vnlegend wrote:
You guys must be nuts or something. Flash has always owned Bisu when it counts. He's likely to do so again, and finish Bisu off with some spectacular cheesy play.
We'll see next Sunday won't we?
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On December 30 2008 09:28 Avidkeystamper wrote:
It seems that nobody focuses on overall strengths anymore, and compares progamers too much. I mean, some comparison is fine, it's just that everything is comparison nowadays. I dunno, maybe it's just me.
few weeks ago i posted a writeup about what i consider PRank deciding factors, and i try to define players conform this:
Now, what's Power Rank about? It's not about a player's stat, it's not about who he beat, or did he won the most recent SL. It's a player's relative strength at the moment. There are many factors that must be taken into account, in my opinion those are the following (to explain better i will use black/red point just as in the kindergarden):
1. Statistics, if a player plays many games and he is 10-3 overall or whatever that's a red point (Flash, Best etc). Playing very few games, and not winning all of them that's a black point (Forgg etc).
2. The skill level of the opponents. Like loosing to Bisu/Stork/etc isn't a black point, beating Memory/ggameo/etcetc isnt a red point. And vice versa (beating Bisu/Stork red point)
3. The quality of the games. Loosing a game with +4 bases (kougghh-koughh, Free) is a black point, beating a cheese that got you unprepared red point. And vice versa. Dominating a good opponent red point. Barely beating a pushover, black point. Yes, wins sometimes are worse than close losses, altough not caracteristic.
4. How reliable the player is. Example Free/Jaedong/etc (i dont mention Flash cuz KTF for some reason is sending Lux as ace) are under pressure cuz they are the best player and usually the ace of their teams (Or eventually the best player of the respective race). If you are the ace of your team a red point (even if you dont win all of them) if you barely are in the PL roster black point (Tempest)
5. How solid he is. Having a weak mu, black point (FBH), having a single good mu, many black points. Not having clearly a bad mu, red point.
6. Participation in the leagues. GOM worths less cuz 2 teams are excluded. Not qualifing for one of the SLs black point (FBH, Jangbi, Free, Best etcetc), not qualifing for one of the leagues and not playing too many PL games, many black points (Forgg, etc). Being in both of the SLs and playing in the PL, red point (Jaedong, Flash, Stork, Bisu). Owning in one of the SLs/PL isnt enough. Pure had the best win/loss ration last year, he barely got a rank in the PR. July won the OSL he was 4th or lower, etc.
7. Mind games. Does the player choke under the pressure (Stork used to do, apparently Flash does, Best)? Black point if he does. Can he structure a bo5? Can he put pressure on the opponent, can he guess what gonna be the build, can he proxy at a place where the scouts will avoid it, can he find the weakness of the opponent, can he abuse it? If he does huge huge red point. Unfortunately there are few bo5s and not too many bo3s, so it might happen we have to count the player's last opportunities, which might be more than a month ago. And unfortunately i think this is the most important factor. That's why Forgg, Stork, Flash, Jaedong got first place on PR, and for failing on keeping up the accomplishments they dropped.
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On December 30 2008 08:33 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 23:52 Darth Peter wrote:
It's not a shame,but to have a spot in the top 3,you gotta beat all comers. JD lsoing Sea,FBH twice and Kal wasn't a shame either,but he was dropped,because if you want a spot in top5,you have to beat all of them,or lose only one or two matches out of these. Yeah,Jangbi only beaten Pusan,Leta,and the others(and he cheesed Pusan),but tell me,who did Flash beat this month,who was good? ... Recently, Flash has lost to Stork, and Jaedong. Stork is currently ranked #2, Flash is currently ranked #3. If you are ranked #3, you are favored to win most games you play, except when playing #1 and #2. He lost vs Jaedong, which was the only game where he lost vs a "lesser" player. #3 players are NOT expected to beat #1 and #2. That is why they are at #3. If Flash loses to Bisu, guess what? BISU IS RANKED #1. Flash is NOT expected to beat him. Therefore, Flash losing to Bisu, should have NO negative impact on him when it comes to the Power Ranks. Its like all you people still see Flash and Jaedong as #1 and #2, and therefore expect them to beat everyone, and if they don't, "omg slump!"
ok so, if Jd loses to bisu,stork,flash,jangbi,free,fbh,best..all in a month, and beats s2,thezerg,miracle,hyvaa, dongrae, casy, chalrenge, guemchi, etc ..than he is fiiiiiine at his place...bullshit
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On December 30 2008 17:16 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 08:33 Sentenal wrote:On December 29 2008 23:52 Darth Peter wrote:
It's not a shame,but to have a spot in the top 3,you gotta beat all comers. JD lsoing Sea,FBH twice and Kal wasn't a shame either,but he was dropped,because if you want a spot in top5,you have to beat all of them,or lose only one or two matches out of these. Yeah,Jangbi only beaten Pusan,Leta,and the others(and he cheesed Pusan),but tell me,who did Flash beat this month,who was good? ... Recently, Flash has lost to Stork, and Jaedong. Stork is currently ranked #2, Flash is currently ranked #3. If you are ranked #3, you are favored to win most games you play, except when playing #1 and #2. He lost vs Jaedong, which was the only game where he lost vs a "lesser" player. #3 players are NOT expected to beat #1 and #2. That is why they are at #3. If Flash loses to Bisu, guess what? BISU IS RANKED #1. Flash is NOT expected to beat him. Therefore, Flash losing to Bisu, should have NO negative impact on him when it comes to the Power Ranks. Its like all you people still see Flash and Jaedong as #1 and #2, and therefore expect them to beat everyone, and if they don't, "omg slump!" ok so, if Jd loses to bisu,stork,flash,jangbi,free,fbh,best..all in a month, and beats s2,thezerg,miracle,hyvaa, dongrae, casy, chalrenge, guemchi, etc ..than he is fiiiiiine at his place...bullshit
well i would like to see him beating Casy finally 
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On December 30 2008 17:16 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 08:33 Sentenal wrote:On December 29 2008 23:52 Darth Peter wrote:
It's not a shame,but to have a spot in the top 3,you gotta beat all comers. JD lsoing Sea,FBH twice and Kal wasn't a shame either,but he was dropped,because if you want a spot in top5,you have to beat all of them,or lose only one or two matches out of these. Yeah,Jangbi only beaten Pusan,Leta,and the others(and he cheesed Pusan),but tell me,who did Flash beat this month,who was good? ... Recently, Flash has lost to Stork, and Jaedong. Stork is currently ranked #2, Flash is currently ranked #3. If you are ranked #3, you are favored to win most games you play, except when playing #1 and #2. He lost vs Jaedong, which was the only game where he lost vs a "lesser" player. #3 players are NOT expected to beat #1 and #2. That is why they are at #3. If Flash loses to Bisu, guess what? BISU IS RANKED #1. Flash is NOT expected to beat him. Therefore, Flash losing to Bisu, should have NO negative impact on him when it comes to the Power Ranks. Its like all you people still see Flash and Jaedong as #1 and #2, and therefore expect them to beat everyone, and if they don't, "omg slump!" ok so, if Jd loses to bisu,stork,flash,jangbi,free,fbh,best..all in a month, and beats s2,thezerg,miracle,hyvaa, dongrae, casy, chalrenge, guemchi, etc ..than he is fiiiiiine at his place...bullshit
Are you even looking at what you are typing? What shame is there losing to someone ranked higher than you? Jesus Christ people, its not rocket science. OMG STORK AND (maybe) BISU BEAT FLASH, THEREFORE FLASH SUCKS AND SHOULD DROP OFF PR!!!11!! Do you not see how retarded that is?
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On December 30 2008 17:28 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 17:16 Jaeden wrote:On December 30 2008 08:33 Sentenal wrote:On December 29 2008 23:52 Darth Peter wrote:
It's not a shame,but to have a spot in the top 3,you gotta beat all comers. JD lsoing Sea,FBH twice and Kal wasn't a shame either,but he was dropped,because if you want a spot in top5,you have to beat all of them,or lose only one or two matches out of these. Yeah,Jangbi only beaten Pusan,Leta,and the others(and he cheesed Pusan),but tell me,who did Flash beat this month,who was good? ... Recently, Flash has lost to Stork, and Jaedong. Stork is currently ranked #2, Flash is currently ranked #3. If you are ranked #3, you are favored to win most games you play, except when playing #1 and #2. He lost vs Jaedong, which was the only game where he lost vs a "lesser" player. #3 players are NOT expected to beat #1 and #2. That is why they are at #3. If Flash loses to Bisu, guess what? BISU IS RANKED #1. Flash is NOT expected to beat him. Therefore, Flash losing to Bisu, should have NO negative impact on him when it comes to the Power Ranks. Its like all you people still see Flash and Jaedong as #1 and #2, and therefore expect them to beat everyone, and if they don't, "omg slump!" ok so, if Jd loses to bisu,stork,flash,jangbi,free,fbh,best..all in a month, and beats s2,thezerg,miracle,hyvaa, dongrae, casy, chalrenge, guemchi, etc ..than he is fiiiiiine at his place...bullshit Are you even looking at what you are typing? What shame is there losing to someone ranked higher than you? Jesus Christ people, its not rocket science. OMG STORK AND (maybe) BISU BEAT FLASH, THEREFORE FLASH SUCKS AND SHOULD DROP OFF PR!!!11!! Do you not see how retarded that is?
That example would be retarded.
However being higher on the PR doesnt always mean u are expected to beat a lower ranked player. It is more complicated than that.
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On December 30 2008 17:28 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 17:16 Jaeden wrote:On December 30 2008 08:33 Sentenal wrote:On December 29 2008 23:52 Darth Peter wrote:
It's not a shame,but to have a spot in the top 3,you gotta beat all comers. JD lsoing Sea,FBH twice and Kal wasn't a shame either,but he was dropped,because if you want a spot in top5,you have to beat all of them,or lose only one or two matches out of these. Yeah,Jangbi only beaten Pusan,Leta,and the others(and he cheesed Pusan),but tell me,who did Flash beat this month,who was good? ... Recently, Flash has lost to Stork, and Jaedong. Stork is currently ranked #2, Flash is currently ranked #3. If you are ranked #3, you are favored to win most games you play, except when playing #1 and #2. He lost vs Jaedong, which was the only game where he lost vs a "lesser" player. #3 players are NOT expected to beat #1 and #2. That is why they are at #3. If Flash loses to Bisu, guess what? BISU IS RANKED #1. Flash is NOT expected to beat him. Therefore, Flash losing to Bisu, should have NO negative impact on him when it comes to the Power Ranks. Its like all you people still see Flash and Jaedong as #1 and #2, and therefore expect them to beat everyone, and if they don't, "omg slump!" ok so, if Jd loses to bisu,stork,flash,jangbi,free,fbh,best..all in a month, and beats s2,thezerg,miracle,hyvaa, dongrae, casy, chalrenge, guemchi, etc ..than he is fiiiiiine at his place...bullshit Are you even looking at what you are typing? What shame is there losing to someone ranked higher than you? Jesus Christ people, its not rocket science. OMG STORK AND (maybe) BISU BEAT FLASH, THEREFORE FLASH SUCKS AND SHOULD DROP OFF PR!!!11!! Do you not see how retarded that is?
if u looked closely, all those players I named there are higher than JD is, so there should be no shame in losing to them. Wasn`t that what u were tryin` to say ?
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On December 30 2008 17:36 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 17:28 Sentenal wrote:On December 30 2008 17:16 Jaeden wrote:On December 30 2008 08:33 Sentenal wrote:On December 29 2008 23:52 Darth Peter wrote:
It's not a shame,but to have a spot in the top 3,you gotta beat all comers. JD lsoing Sea,FBH twice and Kal wasn't a shame either,but he was dropped,because if you want a spot in top5,you have to beat all of them,or lose only one or two matches out of these. Yeah,Jangbi only beaten Pusan,Leta,and the others(and he cheesed Pusan),but tell me,who did Flash beat this month,who was good? ... Recently, Flash has lost to Stork, and Jaedong. Stork is currently ranked #2, Flash is currently ranked #3. If you are ranked #3, you are favored to win most games you play, except when playing #1 and #2. He lost vs Jaedong, which was the only game where he lost vs a "lesser" player. #3 players are NOT expected to beat #1 and #2. That is why they are at #3. If Flash loses to Bisu, guess what? BISU IS RANKED #1. Flash is NOT expected to beat him. Therefore, Flash losing to Bisu, should have NO negative impact on him when it comes to the Power Ranks. Its like all you people still see Flash and Jaedong as #1 and #2, and therefore expect them to beat everyone, and if they don't, "omg slump!" ok so, if Jd loses to bisu,stork,flash,jangbi,free,fbh,best..all in a month, and beats s2,thezerg,miracle,hyvaa, dongrae, casy, chalrenge, guemchi, etc ..than he is fiiiiiine at his place...bullshit Are you even looking at what you are typing? What shame is there losing to someone ranked higher than you? Jesus Christ people, its not rocket science. OMG STORK AND (maybe) BISU BEAT FLASH, THEREFORE FLASH SUCKS AND SHOULD DROP OFF PR!!!11!! Do you not see how retarded that is? if u looked closely, all those players I named there are higher than JD is, so there should be no shame in losing to them. Wasn`t that what u were tryin` to say ?
If Jaedong loses to someone ranked higher than him, no, there is no shame in him losing to them.
People have been going on a retarded rant, acting like if someone Flash loses to Bisu, the fucking #1 guy on the Power Rank, Flash should be dropped because he can only beat "noobs" (lol at any one here calling a Korean Pro a 'noob'). Flash lost to Stork and Jaedong recently. So fucking what if he lost to Stork? Stork is (or was) the second best fucking player in the world. If Bisu beats Flash, you are going to throw him to the wolves? Bisu is the best player in the world. How the FUCK would it be a knock against Flash, if he loses to Bisu?
Obviously you can't simply compare who is a better player just based on the results of head-to-head matches with players. But you CAN weigh the significance of such wins/loses. "#3 losing to #1. Significance down of loss down. #3 losing to #8. Significance of loss up."
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On December 30 2008 18:07 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2008 17:36 Jaeden wrote:On December 30 2008 17:28 Sentenal wrote:On December 30 2008 17:16 Jaeden wrote:On December 30 2008 08:33 Sentenal wrote:On December 29 2008 23:52 Darth Peter wrote:
It's not a shame,but to have a spot in the top 3,you gotta beat all comers. JD lsoing Sea,FBH twice and Kal wasn't a shame either,but he was dropped,because if you want a spot in top5,you have to beat all of them,or lose only one or two matches out of these. Yeah,Jangbi only beaten Pusan,Leta,and the others(and he cheesed Pusan),but tell me,who did Flash beat this month,who was good? ... Recently, Flash has lost to Stork, and Jaedong. Stork is currently ranked #2, Flash is currently ranked #3. If you are ranked #3, you are favored to win most games you play, except when playing #1 and #2. He lost vs Jaedong, which was the only game where he lost vs a "lesser" player. #3 players are NOT expected to beat #1 and #2. That is why they are at #3. If Flash loses to Bisu, guess what? BISU IS RANKED #1. Flash is NOT expected to beat him. Therefore, Flash losing to Bisu, should have NO negative impact on him when it comes to the Power Ranks. Its like all you people still see Flash and Jaedong as #1 and #2, and therefore expect them to beat everyone, and if they don't, "omg slump!" ok so, if Jd loses to bisu,stork,flash,jangbi,free,fbh,best..all in a month, and beats s2,thezerg,miracle,hyvaa, dongrae, casy, chalrenge, guemchi, etc ..than he is fiiiiiine at his place...bullshit Are you even looking at what you are typing? What shame is there losing to someone ranked higher than you? Jesus Christ people, its not rocket science. OMG STORK AND (maybe) BISU BEAT FLASH, THEREFORE FLASH SUCKS AND SHOULD DROP OFF PR!!!11!! Do you not see how retarded that is? if u looked closely, all those players I named there are higher than JD is, so there should be no shame in losing to them. Wasn`t that what u were tryin` to say ? If Jaedong loses to someone ranked higher than him, no, there is no shame in him losing to them. People have been going on a retarded rant, acting like if someone Flash loses to Bisu, the fucking #1 guy on the Power Rank, Flash should be dropped because he can only beat "noobs" (lol at any one here calling a Korean Pro a 'noob'). Flash lost to Stork and Jaedong recently. So fucking what if he lost to Stork? Stork is (or was) the second best fucking player in the world. If Bisu beats Flash, you are going to throw him to the wolves? Bisu is the best player in the world. How the FUCK would it be a knock against Flash, if he loses to Bisu? Obviously you can't simply compare who is a better player just based on the results of head-to-head matches with players. But you CAN weigh the significance of such wins/loses. "#3 losing to #1. Significance down of loss down. #3 losing to #8. Significance of loss up."
I disagree. JD losing to all 7 players ranked above him would hurt his ranking.
All I am tryin` to say is that losing to a higher ranked player is no shame, but it still counts.
Nonetheless, JD is 6-0 from the last PR with wins over bisu, fantasy, and flash...I don`t see ur logic there. Tell me a solid player that Flash has beaten in the last month. He also lost against JD and Stork. I didn`t even tried to make an argument about JD beein` above Flash ( or flash droppin` in the PR for that matter ), I was just sayin` that ur logic of "losing to higher ranked players is ok" is wrong. Didn`t have to use any "u are retarded" things.
Also calm down. If u feel like screaming, please go in the woods and let it loose, nobody will be bothered there.
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500th post. keke
Gamers have differtent strengths. Therefor nr#1 is not always expected to win vs #4 etc.
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