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On December 26 2008 21:17 Phradamon wrote:
I dont know what is whith that much commentating, JD beat Bisu, the best player on Earth, he beat best SKT Terran and single handed Shine and owned almost every Z he encounters. His results are not in vain, he should go up in PR, if Bisu losses to Flash and one other match in PL he will be on a negative strike...
Quod erat demonstrandum
QED that he is on a hot mini-streak right now, and that is all that you can say. Even if you don't factor in the importance of SL games over PL games, you have to accept that it's at least different. To have an accurate gauge on a player's skill level, he needs to prove himself in BOTH PL and SL to be a high number contender. JD beat Bisu and fantasy in PL, which is great, props to him. However, we have no proof of his current abilities from BoX series and SL performances because he isn't able to showcase his skill there. 2-3 games in PL is not enough to put JD above some of the other players that have played this month. He needs to put up consistent results for the next 2 weeks (80+% winrate OR really intense games with a good winrate) to get a top5 rank in next month's PR, in my opinion. Anything else would be ridiculous.
EDIT: In response to a previous post, the lack of BoX matches in the next few weeks does hinder our ability to judge JD, but even if we go solely on PL games, 2-3 good wins don't override better stats. He has to have a similar winrate with a similar amount of games for him to be a contender against the other PL monsters in next month's PR, which isn't the case right now.
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On December 28 2008 04:06 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2008 21:17 Phradamon wrote:
I dont know what is whith that much commentating, JD beat Bisu, the best player on Earth, he beat best SKT Terran and single handed Shine and owned almost every Z he encounters. His results are not in vain, he should go up in PR, if Bisu losses to Flash and one other match in PL he will be on a negative strike...
Quod erat demonstrandum QED that he is on a hot mini-streak right now, and that is all that you can say. Even if you don't factor in the importance of SL games over PL games, you have to accept that it's at least different. To have an accurate gauge on a player's skill level, he needs to prove himself in BOTH PL and SL to be a high number contender. JD beat Bisu and fantasy in PL, which is great, props to him. However, we have no proof of his current abilities from BoX series and SL performances because he isn't able to showcase his skill there. 2-3 games in PL is not enough to put JD above some of the other players that have played this month. He needs to put up consistent results for the next 2 weeks (80+% winrate OR really intense games with a good winrate) to get a top5 rank in next month's PR, in my opinion. Anything else would be ridiculous. EDIT: In response to a previous post, the lack of BoX matches in the next few weeks does hinder our ability to judge JD, but even if we go solely on PL games, 2-3 good wins don't override better stats. He has to have a similar winrate with a similar amount of games for him to be a contender against the other PL monsters in next month's PR, which isn't the case right now.
this is basically what we all are trying to say man
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Oh, I'm not sure if everyone understands this, but to many players, and especially the teams in Korea, Proleague is just as important as the Starleagues, if not more important.
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On December 28 2008 11:19 Shikyo wrote:
Oh, I'm not sure if everyone understands this, but to many players, and especially the teams in Korea, Proleague is just as important as the Starleagues, if not more important.
Which is why I didn't factor it into above post; SL>PL in terms of importance is up to opinion. However, BoX matches unfortunately are only part of SLs so that is why having that variety is important and what distinguishes SLs (qualification + BoX vs. non-Ace matches in PL).
To the previous post; I wasn't trying to denounce what everyone said in the thread, I just put my own views in response to his post. If you share that opinion then that is reasonable to me, and there should really be no grounds for any argument. However, many people got over-excited.
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On December 28 2008 11:45 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2008 11:19 Shikyo wrote:
Oh, I'm not sure if everyone understands this, but to many players, and especially the teams in Korea, Proleague is just as important as the Starleagues, if not more important. Which is why I didn't factor it into above post; SL>PL in terms of importance is up to opinion. However, BoX matches unfortunately are only part of SLs so that is why having that variety is important and what distinguishes SLs (qualification + BoX vs. non-Ace matches in PL). To the previous post; I wasn't trying to denounce what everyone said in the thread, I just put my own views in response to his post. If you share that opinion then that is reasonable to me, and there should really be no grounds for any argument. However, many people got over-excited.
fair enough;) anyway getting exited is probably what this thing is all about though, would suck if you didn't get exited when your favourite gamer plays awesome!!
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On December 28 2008 13:08 AnOth3rDAy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2008 11:45 fanatacist wrote:On December 28 2008 11:19 Shikyo wrote:
Oh, I'm not sure if everyone understands this, but to many players, and especially the teams in Korea, Proleague is just as important as the Starleagues, if not more important. Which is why I didn't factor it into above post; SL>PL in terms of importance is up to opinion. However, BoX matches unfortunately are only part of SLs so that is why having that variety is important and what distinguishes SLs (qualification + BoX vs. non-Ace matches in PL). To the previous post; I wasn't trying to denounce what everyone said in the thread, I just put my own views in response to his post. If you share that opinion then that is reasonable to me, and there should really be no grounds for any argument. However, many people got over-excited. fair enough;) anyway getting exited is probably what this thing is all about though, would suck if you didn't get exited when your favourite gamer plays awesome!!
Excitement is one thing, overhyping and falsely promoting is another. It's good to have high expectations but making bold statements with no backbone and being adamant in their defense is ridiculous.
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On December 28 2008 13:27 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2008 13:08 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On December 28 2008 11:45 fanatacist wrote:On December 28 2008 11:19 Shikyo wrote:
Oh, I'm not sure if everyone understands this, but to many players, and especially the teams in Korea, Proleague is just as important as the Starleagues, if not more important. Which is why I didn't factor it into above post; SL>PL in terms of importance is up to opinion. However, BoX matches unfortunately are only part of SLs so that is why having that variety is important and what distinguishes SLs (qualification + BoX vs. non-Ace matches in PL). To the previous post; I wasn't trying to denounce what everyone said in the thread, I just put my own views in response to his post. If you share that opinion then that is reasonable to me, and there should really be no grounds for any argument. However, many people got over-excited. fair enough;) anyway getting exited is probably what this thing is all about though, would suck if you didn't get exited when your favourite gamer plays awesome!! Excitement is one thing, overhyping and falsely promoting is another. It's good to have high expectations but making bold statements with no backbone and being adamant in their defense is ridiculous.
That's why people even bolded and capitalized the places where they said 'if', because a lot of responses seem to overlook the fact that 'if' was stated and not just blind assumptions and "false promotions."
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On December 28 2008 13:37 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2008 13:27 fanatacist wrote:On December 28 2008 13:08 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On December 28 2008 11:45 fanatacist wrote:On December 28 2008 11:19 Shikyo wrote:
Oh, I'm not sure if everyone understands this, but to many players, and especially the teams in Korea, Proleague is just as important as the Starleagues, if not more important. Which is why I didn't factor it into above post; SL>PL in terms of importance is up to opinion. However, BoX matches unfortunately are only part of SLs so that is why having that variety is important and what distinguishes SLs (qualification + BoX vs. non-Ace matches in PL). To the previous post; I wasn't trying to denounce what everyone said in the thread, I just put my own views in response to his post. If you share that opinion then that is reasonable to me, and there should really be no grounds for any argument. However, many people got over-excited. fair enough;) anyway getting exited is probably what this thing is all about though, would suck if you didn't get exited when your favourite gamer plays awesome!! Excitement is one thing, overhyping and falsely promoting is another. It's good to have high expectations but making bold statements with no backbone and being adamant in their defense is ridiculous. That's why people even bolded and capitalized the places where they said 'if', because a lot of responses seem to overlook the fact that 'if' was stated and not just blind assumptions and "false promotions."
A few rotten apples spoil the batch.
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On December 28 2008 14:04 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2008 13:37 Avidkeystamper wrote:On December 28 2008 13:27 fanatacist wrote:On December 28 2008 13:08 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On December 28 2008 11:45 fanatacist wrote:On December 28 2008 11:19 Shikyo wrote:
Oh, I'm not sure if everyone understands this, but to many players, and especially the teams in Korea, Proleague is just as important as the Starleagues, if not more important. Which is why I didn't factor it into above post; SL>PL in terms of importance is up to opinion. However, BoX matches unfortunately are only part of SLs so that is why having that variety is important and what distinguishes SLs (qualification + BoX vs. non-Ace matches in PL). To the previous post; I wasn't trying to denounce what everyone said in the thread, I just put my own views in response to his post. If you share that opinion then that is reasonable to me, and there should really be no grounds for any argument. However, many people got over-excited. fair enough;) anyway getting exited is probably what this thing is all about though, would suck if you didn't get exited when your favourite gamer plays awesome!! Excitement is one thing, overhyping and falsely promoting is another. It's good to have high expectations but making bold statements with no backbone and being adamant in their defense is ridiculous. That's why people even bolded and capitalized the places where they said 'if', because a lot of responses seem to overlook the fact that 'if' was stated and not just blind assumptions and "false promotions." A few rotten apples spoil the batch.
people didn`t get over-exited, maybe just a little, but 2 much fuss for nothin`, it`s not like they`ve said: omg JD is the best #1 PR blablabla. Imo, if u state that: JD could get top 5 if he continues to dominate and have excellent results, it`s not over-reacting at all.
edit: and yes, u`re right, SL>PL for the PR, it`s just that there is no SL right now ( just gom )
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+ Show Spoiler +Stork lost today to Failho(I'll still call him like that even tho he played pretty well today),I wonder how this will influence his ranking. I think he can be dropped from the no2 spot.
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On December 28 2008 20:06 Darth Peter wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Stork lost today to Failho(I'll still call him like that even tho he played pretty well today),I wonder how this will influence his ranking. I think he can be dropped from the no2 spot.
I agree. Could.
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Jangbi is going pretty strong now.
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On December 29 2008 02:59 zhaoli86 wrote:
Jangbi is going pretty strong now.
Jangbi should stop using Arbiters. He treats them like how he treats High Templar.
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On December 29 2008 02:59 zhaoli86 wrote:
Jangbi is going pretty strong now.
Jangbi definetly doing better than Stork
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On December 29 2008 05:06 Nitan wrote:Jangbi should stop using Arbiters. He treats them like how he treats High Templar. No he doesn't. He's used Arbiters badly in one game, hes used them fantastically in other games.
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I have the impression that the Bang factor in the Taek-Bang Era is somewhat fading away...not to mention that Bisu has a big hill to climb ahead of himself on 04.01.09... It will be last stop or no stopping for the bonjwa train imo
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On December 29 2008 09:14 disciple wrote:
I have the impression that the Bang factor in the Taek-Bang Era is somewhat fading away...not to mention that Bisu has a big hill to climb ahead of himself on 04.01.09... It will be last stop or no stopping for the bonjwa train imo
What happens on 04.01.09? April fools day?
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Stork just doesn't seem to have that same drive that he did a couple of months ago. I think his current inconsistent PvP really shows that. It's one thing to lose to some zergs because of bad game sense, but another to keep losing PvPs to random scrubs. PvT seems to be the only MU where he's so good he doesn't even need to be peak condition to win.
Jangbi, on the other hand, seems to have taken over the Khan ace position now. He's won 3 ace matches this month, is in the GOM Ro8, and has owned every matchup. He's kind of like a mini-Bisu right now. I fully expect him to be ranked #2 next month provide no epic fails.
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I don't know, losing in the OSL prelims to Horang2 might place him below Flash or Stork who are in both leagues.
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I never got the impression that not making out of prelims for one starleague is that big of a deal. I mean, just two months ago top 4 had three players who only qualified for one starleague. No one ever bumped Jaedong down a notch because of his failed OSL qualifying.
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