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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On December 26 2008 03:40 AnOth3rDAy wrote: I'm sure he thinks whoever thinks Jaedong is better than him in general is insane.I'm pretty sure he doesn't think that whoever thinks jaedong is better than him is insane though. Both players knows they are the best at the matchup. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Bisu is playing better right now, and so are a lot of players. Jaedong should be even lower on the next PR imo. | ||
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abakben
United States308 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Some jaedong fans get too exited perhaps, and others doesn't. Same thing with bisu and flashfans. Nothing special... But i think you are scared that Jaedong will take the throne | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
On December 26 2008 04:41 Dazed_Spy wrote: I'm sure he thinks whoever thinks Jaedong is better than him in general is insane. I don't know who is shitstorming,I don't know. I think nobody said that Jaedong should be no1(okay,I did once,but that was an accident,I wanted to write 3). I think that the JD fans here are reaonable,not like Februarys was. Of course Bisu is better than JD right now. And Stork too. He probably would stand no chance against Jaedong,but is better overally by now. But how can you blame people for being excited. I mean just a couple of tiny things. 1. Besides Jaedong,not a single Zerg is playing anywhere near the level of the top 20 players right now,and nobody has any chance of winning anything. 2. Jaedong has already proved he can win Starleagues 3. Jaedong at his best is just a goddamned monster. I mean just watch his matches back when he won the OSL,MSL,PRoleague,Gom and WCG Korea. 4. Jaedong's latest games has given us hope that he is near his best again,which would mean destroying nearly everybody who stands in his way. 5. This is not like Bisu was in June. Bisu gave us hope from time to time. He beat Mind in a great match in the OSL,we were excited. Then he lost to Backho,Much, and Zero and other n00bs like that(Zero was really a n00b back then). His other match where we thought he is coming back to shape was against JD. But he continued sucking. JD's wins against Bisu was not just a spark from nothing. He had beaten Flash before,won two matches against OGN,not so great players,but Flash has been beating only players like Shine most of the times. He beat Fantasy,and then he beat Bisu. I mean man,that's not a shine like former champions usually have,like Boxer,Savior,Reach,Anytime. That is 3 very impressive matches. And no,I am not trying to say JD should be no1 this month. If you don't understand it,I'll say it like this: I am not trying to say JD should be no1 this month. He still has a lot to prove, of course. No 3 or 4 should be his rank,depending on if he can keep his play up like this,and Flash loses to Bisu. But damn Jaedong haters,pull your heads out of your asses and see how well he is playing. I hate Flash and I hate Stork,but I admint they are awesome. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On December 26 2008 05:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Is there going to be a shitstorm everytime Jaedong doesn't get #1? Bisu is playing better right now, and so are a lot of players. Jaedong should be even lower on the next PR imo. No, people just generalize Jaedong fans are fanatical even when we're reasonable. Like you are right now. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On December 25 2008 20:21 AnOth3rDAy wrote: How is my post absurd? Did you watch the games? did you see that I wrote "if he continues to play this well" ... You do realize that jaedong was once the best player on earth right? You realize his potential? Then why argue. He does not have to prove that he can win leagues, coz we know he can. He only has to prove that he is back in shape. I dont say that he's clearly better than Bisu. However im saying that if he's back in shape he is probably better or atleast very close in terms of skills, so for one person to think that he was better would not be wierd at all, maybe just abit biased. Thats why your post was absurd. You do realize that Bisu was once the best player on Earth, right? And I'm not talking current events. I'm talking Pre-Jaedong, Pre-Flash. The first half of 2007 was Bisu's time. It just seems like, if Jaedong plays like how people expect him to play (as in, great), then he should be ranked #1, because that is his throne that he once held, and only lost it due to poor play. But hes back now, and his throne should be returned to him. Like I said in an earlier post, as if the #1 spot is his right if he plays well. Whats my point about bringing up Bisu's first reign? Well, the throne of #1 was someone else's before Jaedong. It was someone else's before Bisu. Simply put, no one has some right to be ranked #1 if they play great. You do have to play great to be #1, there is no question there. But you have to prove that the people already ahead of you are overall worse than you are. JD beat Bisu in a PL game, but that doesn't mean in the grand sceme of things, that Jaedong is better. He might be, I don't know (my fanboyism says no, but I won't go there). Jaedong needs to get results again, he needs to start climbing back up. He needs to pave the road to #1 on the bodies of those in his path. Basically, he needs to keep raping people in PL, and he needs to bulldoze his way in induvisual leagues. Maybe Jaedong will be #1 again, but I really doubt it will be this next month. There are too many people in between him and #1. It depends both on what Jaedong can do, and also what the play of those ahead of him do. In order for Bisu to take #1 from Stork this past month, Bisu needed to both dominate, and have Stork not. And thats what happened. Something similar, though on a grander scale (8 to 1 is a long jump) would have to happen here again for Jaedong to be #1. Top 5 is reasonable. Top 3 is pushing it, but not impossible. Being #1 this next month is next to impossible. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On December 26 2008 08:51 Sentenal wrote: You do realize that Bisu was once the best player on Earth, right? And I'm not talking current events. I'm talking Pre-Jaedong, Pre-Flash. The first half of 2007 was Bisu's time. It just seems like, if Jaedong plays like how people expect him to play (as in, great), then he should be ranked #1, because that is his throne that he once held, and only lost it due to poor play. But hes back now, and his throne should be returned to him. Like I said in an earlier post, as if the #1 spot is his right if he plays well. Whats my point about bringing up Bisu's first reign? Well, the throne of #1 was someone else's before Jaedong. It was someone else's before Bisu. Simply put, no one has some right to be ranked #1 if they play great. You do have to play great to be #1, there is no question there. But you have to prove that the people already ahead of you are overall worse than you are. JD beat Bisu in a PL game, but that doesn't mean in the grand sceme of things, that Jaedong is better. He might be, I don't know (my fanboyism says no, but I won't go there). Jaedong needs to get results again, he needs to start climbing back up. He needs to pave the road to #1 on the bodies of those in his path. Basically, he needs to keep raping people in PL, and he needs to bulldoze his way in induvisual leagues. Maybe Jaedong will be #1 again, but I really doubt it will be this next month. There are too many people in between him and #1. It depends both on what Jaedong can do, and also what the play of those ahead of him do. In order for Bisu to take #1 from Stork this past month, Bisu needed to both dominate, and have Stork not. And thats what happened. Something similar, though on a grander scale (8 to 1 is a long jump) would have to happen here again for Jaedong to be #1. Top 5 is reasonable. Top 3 is pushing it, but not impossible. Being #1 this next month is next to impossible. I replied in this fashion because people said he had to prove himself in induvidual leagues to be even top3. I dont think that is the case if he keep showing PL performance like he did vs SKT1. Other than that, what you said is basically what i said. To be first, he needs to kick ass. Alot of skill can be shown in a couple of weeks though, specially given his history of dominance. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On December 26 2008 08:24 disciple wrote: well I guess I'm sorry about my provocative post, my intentions were not to insult anyone ofc. I know many of the JD's fans are hyped about his statement that December will be his month. And actually he is backing it up, which is great... you sir are really mannered, I like that cheers | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On December 26 2008 05:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Is there going to be a shitstorm everytime Jaedong doesn't get #1? Bisu is playing better right now, and so are a lot of players. Jaedong should be even lower on the next PR imo. doh...nothin` more to say EDIT: yes Sentenal, that`s what I (we?) was/were tryin` to say | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On December 26 2008 05:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Is there going to be a shitstorm everytime Jaedong doesn't get #1? Bisu is playing better right now, and so are a lot of players. Jaedong should be even lower on the next PR imo. I hope someone doesn't take your post seriously | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On December 26 2008 11:51 AzureEye wrote: I hope someone doesn't take your post seriously Too late-- twice. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On December 26 2008 09:48 AnOth3rDAy wrote: I replied in this fashion because people said he had to prove himself in induvidual leagues to be even top3. I dont think that is the case if he keep showing PL performance like he did vs SKT1. Why shouldn't he have to prove himself in the starleagues? Bisu didn't make his comeback in the PR and in public sentiment until he started owning both the OSL(where he lost to the eventual champion in a very close series) and the MSL. Every other player on the PR 1-9 right now has had more starleague success recently than Jaedong. What makes Jaedong so special that simple PL play should vault him into a top 3 or top 5 position? | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
On December 26 2008 13:01 baubo wrote: Why shouldn't he have to prove himself in the starleagues? Bisu didn't make his comeback in the PR and in public sentiment until he started owning both the OSL(where he lost to the eventual champion in a very close series) and the MSL. Every other player on the PR 1-9 right now has had more starleague success recently than Jaedong. What makes Jaedong so special that simple PL play should vault him into a top 3 or top 5 position? Yeah,Flash had definitely more Starleague succes than him. Being in both Starleagues and sucking every zerg's dick is a great succes. You mean he's still in Gom? Well,he didn't beat any significannt player there yet iether,only Fantasy. If he beats Bisu, that's another thing. So Flash is mostly no3 because of his PL performance. Starleagues don't matter jack shit. It matters if you play more,and beat good players. According to your logic,every Starleague winner should be no1 or no2. Well,July was only no4,although he won the OSL. Why? Because his opponents sucked,simple as that. I think games themselves should matter more than titles. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
On December 26 2008 17:15 Sentenal wrote: Individual leagues, especially BoX series, count WAY more than PL games. Flash is still in GOM, and has a ridiculous record in PL. Jaedong on the other hand, doesn't have Flash's record, and got knocked out of all the leagues relatively early. What Jaedong has going for him, is that he has beaten Flash, Fantasy, and Bisu in some PL games recently. If the ranks were to happen right now, there would be no way Jaedong could be above Flash. Jaedong needs more wins before he can lay claim to being better overall to Flash. Of all those wins,just tell me,what impressive player did he beat besides Free? Because as far as I can remember,he lost to every player who meant something. He lost to Jaedong twice. He lost to Zero. He lost to FBH,Stork. These are all great players,and no shame in losing to them, but to be the best,you got to beat the best,and Flash is definitely not doing that. Of course,I will keep my fuckin' mouth shut if he beats Bisu. EDIT: I mean really,look at the fearsome list of great players he beat like, hmmm: Rock,Chalrenge,GuemChi,hyvaa,Pure,Memory,Jaehoon. I don't want to get carried away, he is playing well enough,and beat a well-playing Anytime,Hwasin and Free. But still. How good are you if you beat n00bs and lose to every big gun that's out there. I mean really, Jaedong lost to players like Sangho and had a bad month,but he beat Bisu and Fantasy and Flash,and in my book,that means more than beating Rock. I mean look. Stork loses to players like Movie,and Pusan,but he still beats Flash. Your games against other good players show how good you truly are. I mean it is important to win all games,but Jaedong wins when he is the favourite too. He wins the Z v Z matches and just totally owned Shine. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On December 26 2008 17:15 Sentenal wrote: Individual leagues, especially BoX series, count WAY more than PL games. Flash is still in GOM, and has a ridiculous record in PL. Jaedong on the other hand, doesn't have Flash's record, and got knocked out of all the leagues relatively early. What Jaedong has going for him, is that he has beaten Flash, Fantasy, and Bisu in some PL games recently. If the ranks were to happen right now, there would be no way Jaedong could be above Flash. Jaedong needs more wins before he can lay claim to being better overall to Flash. of course he couldn`t be above flash. but why everyone that dislikes JD keep ignoring the KEY WORDS, IE: if he KEEPS dominating good players | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
Flash got his spot mainly because of the PL and beacause he was seeded/qulified for the SLs. he had a very easy road in MST and GOM up to now. He didn't beat/own any good player. His most important win was against Free, and if you saw that match you agree that Free lost it not FLash won. You don't need to win a SL to get top 3. God... All of you sould appreciate things like crushing mechanic builds on Destination, (most of the zergs cannot handle the same level terran's mech on Desti, and not only there) figuring out the RIGHT way to add queens in zvt, simoltenaous guardian defiler attack etc... Games like those really give hope for the zerg fans, that the race can reinvent himself and be dominant or at least equal with the other 2 (I guess nobody denies that Zergs are nowhere near the Ts an Ps). Games like against Bisu arent these kind. There you just watch and say, God damit, this guy is good, he wins because he's unstopable, he's everywhere. But the builds i mention can be learned by the good players and used as a viable option. 2hatch/3hatch muta into lurker is becoming useless really. most of terran builds are designed to crush these and abuse the timing windowses. There are almost 2 weeks till the next PR, JD might got no1, but only if the other contenders are doing poorly. Few games doesnt indicates putting anybody 1st, even if he plays like a god. But there will be more games. For JD, for Stork, for Flash and for Bisu too. Wait to see those and after that start to argue about 1st place or whatever. Jaedong play is incredible, if there is hype about it, what are your arguments against that? Wait till he actually plays enough to show if he's really that good.... haters... How can you dislike JD? he's the only top zerg player, you have to show some support for it even if you're not his fan. Imagine an all Zerg seimfinal, PL dominated by Zergs, than a good toss player would have 1 infinite number of supporters, because he's the hope to equalize the pro-scene once again. | ||
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