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On December 24 2008 18:04 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 17:35 baubo wrote:On December 24 2008 16:51 Geo.Rion wrote:
Jaedong is the most reliable player and the ace of the 1st placed PL team.
Jaedong beat Bisu's PvZ on Destination, considered to be p favoring against Z. Bisu played up to his potential. It wasnt his loss, it was JD's win.
Jaedong beat two of the best terrans. Flash and his mech build, no in fact he completly desrtoyed it, not just beat it. And Fantasy on a map (Sin CR) where Terrans didnt lose up to that, and yet again it was a complet ownage, the only thing which i missed was the queen infesting a CC, but that's ok.
Lets see some statistics: His ELO is the 4th ranked, 4th in the PL individual ranking.
And he did achieve this in a week. If he keeps this up, meaning he passes his MSL group which he certanly can, and ownes in PL, what will be your argument against him? He lsot to Free in October? Or he still has to pass his OSL group where he will face the mighty Tazza and Light? C'mon there are no arguments against JD atm, he was first on PR cuz he played like this, and now when he regained his power you argue about him being 5th or so? Damn people, watch games. Or watch statistics even, those too help JD right now. I don't see him 1st next month just yet, BUT there are more than 2 weeks till the new PR, so just wait it, so it might happen. Forget that 5th place kids.
The problem with Jaedong is that other than FBH, everyone else above him is still in GOM. The fact that he lost to FREAKING Tempest and doesn't even have Byzantium as an excuse is just unacceptable, and really gives him zero chance to make it to the top of the PR until he potentially destroys everyone in the next MSL/OSL. PR isnt about GOM, and isnt about events witch happened months ago. he lost to Tempest, there you go 8th rank, you don't use that anymore. You could say his ZvP is bad cuz he lsot to Tempest, so he deosnt deserve a high rank. BUT DAMMIT. He just destroyed Bisu on Destination. And it was an ace match!! Don't forget the weight of that. The new PR will come out around 10th of January. The new OSL will finish i guess in march or april or even after. So you basicly said he has to win (destroy eveybody) the MSL/OSLs to get back on top. Damn, you're... AH, merry christmas.
So you're saying that if Bisu beats Flash in GOM(or vice versa), Jaedong can still be ranked above both of thembecause of an ace match win!? See how little sense that makes?
The only players remaining in GOM are the best tosses in the world right now. That means some of them will advance VERY far. And Jaedong will have no claim to be above them in any objective PR because he has no chance to play them in Bo3/Bo5 series. It's not so much losing to Tempest, but rather the fact that he'll have no quality starleague wins while likely 4 of Jangbi/Stork/Bisu/Best/Free/Flash will make it to the GOM semis. And that will trump a couple of ace wins anyday.
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On December 24 2008 20:20 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 18:10 raga4ka wrote:On December 24 2008 17:35 baubo wrote:On December 24 2008 16:51 Geo.Rion wrote:
Jaedong is the most reliable player and the ace of the 1st placed PL team.
Jaedong beat Bisu's PvZ on Destination, considered to be p favoring against Z. Bisu played up to his potential. It wasnt his loss, it was JD's win.
Jaedong beat two of the best terrans. Flash and his mech build, no in fact he completly desrtoyed it, not just beat it. And Fantasy on a map (Sin CR) where Terrans didnt lose up to that, and yet again it was a complet ownage, the only thing which i missed was the queen infesting a CC, but that's ok.
Lets see some statistics: His ELO is the 4th ranked, 4th in the PL individual ranking.
And he did achieve this in a week. If he keeps this up, meaning he passes his MSL group which he certanly can, and ownes in PL, what will be your argument against him? He lsot to Free in October? Or he still has to pass his OSL group where he will face the mighty Tazza and Light? C'mon there are no arguments against JD atm, he was first on PR cuz he played like this, and now when he regained his power you argue about him being 5th or so? Damn people, watch games. Or watch statistics even, those too help JD right now. I don't see him 1st next month just yet, BUT there are more than 2 weeks till the new PR, so just wait it, so it might happen. Forget that 5th place kids.
The problem with Jaedong is that other than FBH, everyone else above him is still in GOM. The fact that he lost to FREAKING Tempest and doesn't even have Byzantium as an excuse is just unacceptable, and really gives him zero chance to make it to the top of the PR until he potentially destroys everyone in the next MSL/OSL. Medusa is also bad for ZvP ... It depents how he performs in his games until the next PR comes out . Jaedong will definetly be above half and more of the tosses and maybe Flash if he continues to play like this . Alot will depent on him qualifing for MSL and OSL and i think that will bring him back in top 5 , because most of the players Free , FBH , JangBI , Best already failed in offlines for OSL or MSL , that will cause some consequence later on . Which is why I set Jaedong's potential rise timeline at the next MSL/OSL. But that's still a ways off. And he has to perform well at both too, which is no certainty. Right now, every toss can claim GOM Ro8(provide no huge upsets) while Jaedong got kicked out of Ro32. Medusa is bad ZvP, but it's not unplayable. And Jaedong lost in the 3rd game on the same map he beat Bisu on.
He lost on that map because he sucked last month. Plain and simple. He sucked balls,not even little one's,he sucked major balls. But that was last month. He was dropped on 8th. It seems that he pulled his shit back together,and starts playing like he was. He got his confidence back,and like he said in his interview,he is gonna dominate December. I mean Flash didn't win anything in MSL or OSL,but is still no3. Why? Because he played well. That's it. I think we should consider if Jaedong gets eliminated from the MSL group this month,but if he qualifies,I think waiting if he would win it or go far would be dumb. And also,one can rely on Jaedong,because he already won a GOM,an MSL and an OSL. You know if he is playing hisbest,he can win another title. Jaedong reaching no 3 or 4 should be because he plays well again,not because others dropped. They didn't,but just tell me another person who can beat Bisu and Flash on the same week,because Stork already proved he cannot do that.
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On December 24 2008 20:20 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 18:10 raga4ka wrote:On December 24 2008 17:35 baubo wrote:On December 24 2008 16:51 Geo.Rion wrote:
Jaedong is the most reliable player and the ace of the 1st placed PL team.
Jaedong beat Bisu's PvZ on Destination, considered to be p favoring against Z. Bisu played up to his potential. It wasnt his loss, it was JD's win.
Jaedong beat two of the best terrans. Flash and his mech build, no in fact he completly desrtoyed it, not just beat it. And Fantasy on a map (Sin CR) where Terrans didnt lose up to that, and yet again it was a complet ownage, the only thing which i missed was the queen infesting a CC, but that's ok.
Lets see some statistics: His ELO is the 4th ranked, 4th in the PL individual ranking.
And he did achieve this in a week. If he keeps this up, meaning he passes his MSL group which he certanly can, and ownes in PL, what will be your argument against him? He lsot to Free in October? Or he still has to pass his OSL group where he will face the mighty Tazza and Light? C'mon there are no arguments against JD atm, he was first on PR cuz he played like this, and now when he regained his power you argue about him being 5th or so? Damn people, watch games. Or watch statistics even, those too help JD right now. I don't see him 1st next month just yet, BUT there are more than 2 weeks till the new PR, so just wait it, so it might happen. Forget that 5th place kids.
The problem with Jaedong is that other than FBH, everyone else above him is still in GOM. The fact that he lost to FREAKING Tempest and doesn't even have Byzantium as an excuse is just unacceptable, and really gives him zero chance to make it to the top of the PR until he potentially destroys everyone in the next MSL/OSL. Medusa is also bad for ZvP ... It depents how he performs in his games until the next PR comes out . Jaedong will definetly be above half and more of the tosses and maybe Flash if he continues to play like this . Alot will depent on him qualifing for MSL and OSL and i think that will bring him back in top 5 , because most of the players Free , FBH , JangBI , Best already failed in offlines for OSL or MSL , that will cause some consequence later on . Which is why I set Jaedong's potential rise timeline at the next MSL/OSL. But that's still a ways off. And he has to perform well at both too, which is no certainty. Right now, every toss can claim GOM Ro8(provide no huge upsets) while Jaedong got kicked out of Ro32. Medusa is bad ZvP, but it's not unplayable. And Jaedong lost in the 3rd game on the same map he beat Bisu on.
Yes, you see, JD finally figured out Destination, and the other new maps, get used to mech builds and the other recent builds, he looks immune to any kind of racial-map-anything imbalance which is included right now in progaming. I'm absollutely sure he's the best player atm, i dont say he gonna be 1st next month cuz the Tosses showed more up to now, but JD is kickass once again, and nobody stands a chanse when he's at his peak. OK, Flash when he's on his peak, and Bisu. But he jsut beat both of them convincingly.
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On December 24 2008 20:29 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 18:04 Geo.Rion wrote:On December 24 2008 17:35 baubo wrote:On December 24 2008 16:51 Geo.Rion wrote:
Jaedong is the most reliable player and the ace of the 1st placed PL team.
Jaedong beat Bisu's PvZ on Destination, considered to be p favoring against Z. Bisu played up to his potential. It wasnt his loss, it was JD's win.
Jaedong beat two of the best terrans. Flash and his mech build, no in fact he completly desrtoyed it, not just beat it. And Fantasy on a map (Sin CR) where Terrans didnt lose up to that, and yet again it was a complet ownage, the only thing which i missed was the queen infesting a CC, but that's ok.
Lets see some statistics: His ELO is the 4th ranked, 4th in the PL individual ranking.
And he did achieve this in a week. If he keeps this up, meaning he passes his MSL group which he certanly can, and ownes in PL, what will be your argument against him? He lsot to Free in October? Or he still has to pass his OSL group where he will face the mighty Tazza and Light? C'mon there are no arguments against JD atm, he was first on PR cuz he played like this, and now when he regained his power you argue about him being 5th or so? Damn people, watch games. Or watch statistics even, those too help JD right now. I don't see him 1st next month just yet, BUT there are more than 2 weeks till the new PR, so just wait it, so it might happen. Forget that 5th place kids.
The problem with Jaedong is that other than FBH, everyone else above him is still in GOM. The fact that he lost to FREAKING Tempest and doesn't even have Byzantium as an excuse is just unacceptable, and really gives him zero chance to make it to the top of the PR until he potentially destroys everyone in the next MSL/OSL. PR isnt about GOM, and isnt about events witch happened months ago. he lost to Tempest, there you go 8th rank, you don't use that anymore. You could say his ZvP is bad cuz he lsot to Tempest, so he deosnt deserve a high rank. BUT DAMMIT. He just destroyed Bisu on Destination. And it was an ace match!! Don't forget the weight of that. The new PR will come out around 10th of January. The new OSL will finish i guess in march or april or even after. So you basicly said he has to win (destroy eveybody) the MSL/OSLs to get back on top. Damn, you're... AH, merry christmas. So you're saying that if Bisu beats Flash in GOM(or vice versa), Jaedong can still be ranked above both of thembecause of an ace match win!? See how little sense that makes? The only players remaining in GOM are the best tosses in the world right now. That means some of them will advance VERY far. And Jaedong will have no claim to be above them in any objective PR because he has no chance to play them in Bo3/Bo5 series. It's not so much losing to Tempest, but rather the fact that he'll have no quality starleague wins while likely 4 of Jangbi/Stork/Bisu/Best/Free/Flash will make it to the GOM semis. And that will trump a couple of ace wins anyday.
I would repeat once again, you quted it, but didnt read it i guess: I don't see him 1st next month just yet . yes, he will not be 1st most probably, but he's playing like the best player on the Earth so he has to be top 3 at least, or higher if the others are subpreforming. GOM wont end this month so nothing like "the champion must be 1st" will be a problem. And dont forget that 2 teams are excluded from GOM so the importance of that League is lower than OSL and MSL.
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JUST ONE THING ANT ITS NOT MENT IN A HARSH OR ARROGANT WAY:
FOR NEXT PR EXCHANGE FBH WITH MIND
MIND IS PLAYING SO GOOD AND IS SO CONSTANT RIGHT NOW
I AM AMAZED
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On December 24 2008 21:50 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
JUST ONE THING ANT ITS NOT MENT IN A HARSH OR ARROGANT WAY:
FOR NEXT PR EXCHANGE FBH WITH MIND
MIND IS PLAYING SO GOOD AND IS SO CONSTANT RIGHT NOW
I AM AMAZED
Mind is good, Caps Loock off
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On December 24 2008 21:18 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 20:20 baubo wrote:On December 24 2008 18:10 raga4ka wrote:On December 24 2008 17:35 baubo wrote:On December 24 2008 16:51 Geo.Rion wrote:
Jaedong is the most reliable player and the ace of the 1st placed PL team.
Jaedong beat Bisu's PvZ on Destination, considered to be p favoring against Z. Bisu played up to his potential. It wasnt his loss, it was JD's win.
Jaedong beat two of the best terrans. Flash and his mech build, no in fact he completly desrtoyed it, not just beat it. And Fantasy on a map (Sin CR) where Terrans didnt lose up to that, and yet again it was a complet ownage, the only thing which i missed was the queen infesting a CC, but that's ok.
Lets see some statistics: His ELO is the 4th ranked, 4th in the PL individual ranking.
And he did achieve this in a week. If he keeps this up, meaning he passes his MSL group which he certanly can, and ownes in PL, what will be your argument against him? He lsot to Free in October? Or he still has to pass his OSL group where he will face the mighty Tazza and Light? C'mon there are no arguments against JD atm, he was first on PR cuz he played like this, and now when he regained his power you argue about him being 5th or so? Damn people, watch games. Or watch statistics even, those too help JD right now. I don't see him 1st next month just yet, BUT there are more than 2 weeks till the new PR, so just wait it, so it might happen. Forget that 5th place kids.
The problem with Jaedong is that other than FBH, everyone else above him is still in GOM. The fact that he lost to FREAKING Tempest and doesn't even have Byzantium as an excuse is just unacceptable, and really gives him zero chance to make it to the top of the PR until he potentially destroys everyone in the next MSL/OSL. Medusa is also bad for ZvP ... It depents how he performs in his games until the next PR comes out . Jaedong will definetly be above half and more of the tosses and maybe Flash if he continues to play like this . Alot will depent on him qualifing for MSL and OSL and i think that will bring him back in top 5 , because most of the players Free , FBH , JangBI , Best already failed in offlines for OSL or MSL , that will cause some consequence later on . Which is why I set Jaedong's potential rise timeline at the next MSL/OSL. But that's still a ways off. And he has to perform well at both too, which is no certainty. Right now, every toss can claim GOM Ro8(provide no huge upsets) while Jaedong got kicked out of Ro32. Medusa is bad ZvP, but it's not unplayable. And Jaedong lost in the 3rd game on the same map he beat Bisu on. Yes, you see, JD finally figured out Destination, and the other new maps, get used to mech builds and the other recent builds, he looks immune to any kind of racial-map-anything imbalance which is included right now in progaming. I'm absollutely sure he's the best player atm, i dont say he gonna be 1st next month cuz the Tosses showed more up to now, but JD is kickass once again, and nobody stands a chanse when he's at his peak. OK, Flash when he's on his peak, and Bisu. But he jsut beat both of them convincingly.
That's looking a lot into just a couple of weeks worth of games. Any good player can look like world-beaters for a couple of weeks only to become pedestrian afterwards.
Also, Jaedong has failed to defeat the very best TvZ players in the world, which are Sea, FBH, and ForGG. Although I guess the last one's kind of hard to say because they only met once due to being on the same team. But the point is, if Jaedong meets a zerg-killing terran in the starleagues, he's currently the underdog. Note that Flash doesn't count because he's been pedestrian against zergs for a while now.
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On December 25 2008 01:22 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 21:18 Geo.Rion wrote:On December 24 2008 20:20 baubo wrote:On December 24 2008 18:10 raga4ka wrote:On December 24 2008 17:35 baubo wrote:On December 24 2008 16:51 Geo.Rion wrote:
Jaedong is the most reliable player and the ace of the 1st placed PL team.
Jaedong beat Bisu's PvZ on Destination, considered to be p favoring against Z. Bisu played up to his potential. It wasnt his loss, it was JD's win.
Jaedong beat two of the best terrans. Flash and his mech build, no in fact he completly desrtoyed it, not just beat it. And Fantasy on a map (Sin CR) where Terrans didnt lose up to that, and yet again it was a complet ownage, the only thing which i missed was the queen infesting a CC, but that's ok.
Lets see some statistics: His ELO is the 4th ranked, 4th in the PL individual ranking.
And he did achieve this in a week. If he keeps this up, meaning he passes his MSL group which he certanly can, and ownes in PL, what will be your argument against him? He lsot to Free in October? Or he still has to pass his OSL group where he will face the mighty Tazza and Light? C'mon there are no arguments against JD atm, he was first on PR cuz he played like this, and now when he regained his power you argue about him being 5th or so? Damn people, watch games. Or watch statistics even, those too help JD right now. I don't see him 1st next month just yet, BUT there are more than 2 weeks till the new PR, so just wait it, so it might happen. Forget that 5th place kids.
The problem with Jaedong is that other than FBH, everyone else above him is still in GOM. The fact that he lost to FREAKING Tempest and doesn't even have Byzantium as an excuse is just unacceptable, and really gives him zero chance to make it to the top of the PR until he potentially destroys everyone in the next MSL/OSL. Medusa is also bad for ZvP ... It depents how he performs in his games until the next PR comes out . Jaedong will definetly be above half and more of the tosses and maybe Flash if he continues to play like this . Alot will depent on him qualifing for MSL and OSL and i think that will bring him back in top 5 , because most of the players Free , FBH , JangBI , Best already failed in offlines for OSL or MSL , that will cause some consequence later on . Which is why I set Jaedong's potential rise timeline at the next MSL/OSL. But that's still a ways off. And he has to perform well at both too, which is no certainty. Right now, every toss can claim GOM Ro8(provide no huge upsets) while Jaedong got kicked out of Ro32. Medusa is bad ZvP, but it's not unplayable. And Jaedong lost in the 3rd game on the same map he beat Bisu on. Yes, you see, JD finally figured out Destination, and the other new maps, get used to mech builds and the other recent builds, he looks immune to any kind of racial-map-anything imbalance which is included right now in progaming. I'm absollutely sure he's the best player atm, i dont say he gonna be 1st next month cuz the Tosses showed more up to now, but JD is kickass once again, and nobody stands a chanse when he's at his peak. OK, Flash when he's on his peak, and Bisu. But he jsut beat both of them convincingly. That's looking a lot into just a couple of weeks worth of games. Any good player can look like world-beaters for a couple of weeks only to become pedestrian afterwards. Also, Jaedong has failed to defeat the very best TvZ players in the world, which are Sea, FBH, and ForGG. Although I guess the last one's kind of hard to say because they only met once due to being on the same team. But the point is, if Jaedong meets a zerg-killing terran in the starleagues, he's currently the underdog. Note that Flash doesn't count because he's been pedestrian against zergs for a while now.
I like this. When Flash beats a Z: oh, his TvZ is so beastly. When a zerg beats him: Well, that's only cuz Flash sux at TvZ. He's 3th rank on PR, and very high in every other ranks like ELO or Kespa makes him the best Terran around. Sea played 1 excellent TvZ, pity it happened against JD. He screwed up against FBH that's it. But i guess if he would have beaten FBH you would say, ah, he still hasn't beat Fantasy who's so damn good against Z. Or Mind or whoever. Nobody can met every great player in 2 weeks, but if he mets some and beats all of them, that's quite admirable. JD's vT is looking excelent, he not only beat those 2 great Terrans but owned them pretty badly. And than some hater as you come and say, well he still lost to Sea and FBH.
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On December 24 2008 17:35 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 16:51 Geo.Rion wrote:
Jaedong is the most reliable player and the ace of the 1st placed PL team.
Jaedong beat Bisu's PvZ on Destination, considered to be p favoring against Z. Bisu played up to his potential. It wasnt his loss, it was JD's win.
Jaedong beat two of the best terrans. Flash and his mech build, no in fact he completly desrtoyed it, not just beat it. And Fantasy on a map (Sin CR) where Terrans didnt lose up to that, and yet again it was a complet ownage, the only thing which i missed was the queen infesting a CC, but that's ok.
Lets see some statistics: His ELO is the 4th ranked, 4th in the PL individual ranking.
And he did achieve this in a week. If he keeps this up, meaning he passes his MSL group which he certanly can, and ownes in PL, what will be your argument against him? He lsot to Free in October? Or he still has to pass his OSL group where he will face the mighty Tazza and Light? C'mon there are no arguments against JD atm, he was first on PR cuz he played like this, and now when he regained his power you argue about him being 5th or so? Damn people, watch games. Or watch statistics even, those too help JD right now. I don't see him 1st next month just yet, BUT there are more than 2 weeks till the new PR, so just wait it, so it might happen. Forget that 5th place kids.
The problem with Jaedong is that other than FBH, everyone else above him is still in GOM. The fact that he lost to FREAKING Tempest and doesn't even have Byzantium as an excuse is just unacceptable, and really gives him zero chance to make it to the top of the PR until he potentially destroys everyone in the next MSL/OSL.
But not everyone is in the OSL/MSL.
On December 25 2008 01:22 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 21:18 Geo.Rion wrote:On December 24 2008 20:20 baubo wrote:On December 24 2008 18:10 raga4ka wrote:On December 24 2008 17:35 baubo wrote:On December 24 2008 16:51 Geo.Rion wrote:
Jaedong is the most reliable player and the ace of the 1st placed PL team.
Jaedong beat Bisu's PvZ on Destination, considered to be p favoring against Z. Bisu played up to his potential. It wasnt his loss, it was JD's win.
Jaedong beat two of the best terrans. Flash and his mech build, no in fact he completly desrtoyed it, not just beat it. And Fantasy on a map (Sin CR) where Terrans didnt lose up to that, and yet again it was a complet ownage, the only thing which i missed was the queen infesting a CC, but that's ok.
Lets see some statistics: His ELO is the 4th ranked, 4th in the PL individual ranking.
And he did achieve this in a week. If he keeps this up, meaning he passes his MSL group which he certanly can, and ownes in PL, what will be your argument against him? He lsot to Free in October? Or he still has to pass his OSL group where he will face the mighty Tazza and Light? C'mon there are no arguments against JD atm, he was first on PR cuz he played like this, and now when he regained his power you argue about him being 5th or so? Damn people, watch games. Or watch statistics even, those too help JD right now. I don't see him 1st next month just yet, BUT there are more than 2 weeks till the new PR, so just wait it, so it might happen. Forget that 5th place kids.
The problem with Jaedong is that other than FBH, everyone else above him is still in GOM. The fact that he lost to FREAKING Tempest and doesn't even have Byzantium as an excuse is just unacceptable, and really gives him zero chance to make it to the top of the PR until he potentially destroys everyone in the next MSL/OSL. Medusa is also bad for ZvP ... It depents how he performs in his games until the next PR comes out . Jaedong will definetly be above half and more of the tosses and maybe Flash if he continues to play like this . Alot will depent on him qualifing for MSL and OSL and i think that will bring him back in top 5 , because most of the players Free , FBH , JangBI , Best already failed in offlines for OSL or MSL , that will cause some consequence later on . Which is why I set Jaedong's potential rise timeline at the next MSL/OSL. But that's still a ways off. And he has to perform well at both too, which is no certainty. Right now, every toss can claim GOM Ro8(provide no huge upsets) while Jaedong got kicked out of Ro32. Medusa is bad ZvP, but it's not unplayable. And Jaedong lost in the 3rd game on the same map he beat Bisu on. Yes, you see, JD finally figured out Destination, and the other new maps, get used to mech builds and the other recent builds, he looks immune to any kind of racial-map-anything imbalance which is included right now in progaming. I'm absollutely sure he's the best player atm, i dont say he gonna be 1st next month cuz the Tosses showed more up to now, but JD is kickass once again, and nobody stands a chanse when he's at his peak. OK, Flash when he's on his peak, and Bisu. But he jsut beat both of them convincingly. That's looking a lot into just a couple of weeks worth of games. Any good player can look like world-beaters for a couple of weeks only to become pedestrian afterwards. Also, Jaedong has failed to defeat the very best TvZ players in the world, which are Sea, FBH, and ForGG. Although I guess the last one's kind of hard to say because they only met once due to being on the same team. But the point is, if Jaedong meets a zerg-killing terran in the starleagues, he's currently the underdog. Note that Flash doesn't count because he's been pedestrian against zergs for a while now.
Flash fails to beat most competent ZvT'ers. He's still third. You don't have to beat the best at every MU to be third.
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i really hope bisu wipes the floor with flash
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I doubt Bisu can win verse Flash...Bisu's PvT has not been incredible, sure its great but when facing a T who took down the best PvTer's famous Carrier build (stork), I don't think Bisu stands that much chance. Coming from a Bisu fan, it saddens me to say this but his PvT is not S class like his PvP and PvZ
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On December 25 2008 04:12 AzureEye wrote:
I doubt Bisu can win verse Flash...Bisu's PvT has not been incredible, sure its great but when facing a T who took down the best PvTer's famous Carrier build (stork), I don't think Bisu stands that much chance. Coming from a Bisu fan, it saddens me to say this but his PvT is not S class like his PvP and PvZ
Flash got just pwned by Stork, and at the moment Bisu certanly is able to take down Flash. Will he? We shall se.
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I wouldn't put too much stock (or argument) into one game. Even the greatest players have about a 70-75 percent win rate, and any poker player will tell you how reliable that is for one hand.
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On December 25 2008 04:12 AzureEye wrote:
I doubt Bisu can win verse Flash...Bisu's PvT has not been incredible, sure its great but when facing a T who took down the best PvTer's famous Carrier build (stork), I don't think Bisu stands that much chance. Coming from a Bisu fan, it saddens me to say this but his PvT is not S class like his PvP and PvZ Well you also have to consider the rivalry and the maps. Truly, it is a toss up.
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The thing is, Jaedong completely destroyed Bisu. Bisu, in a ZvP, on an imbalanced map, against the best PvZer in the world, and JD looked really unstoppable. And his 20-second FP-view clip vs Fantasy almost made me shit myself. JaeDong's ZvZ is beastly, his ZvP is godly, and if you say his ZvT is weak, you obviously forgot to watch his game against Fantasy. Yeah, Fantasy isn't the best Terran around, but he completely destroyed him. I mean, completely.
If that's his worst MU, I guess he deserves to be quite high, since Bisu for example isn't that good at PvT, and Stork at PvZ, and Flash at TvZ. Actually, I'd say JD's ZvT is better than any of those players' respective weak match-ups. Remember that it's actually based on December's games. Nobody cares if JD lost in like, October. He's in both of the leagues, which many players actually are not.
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k how is destination imbalanced? its one game away from being 50% in pvz, and is on a 6 game zerg win streak. If anything its trending to be imbalanced against Protoss....
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On December 25 2008 10:26 Dazed_Spy wrote:
k how is destination imbalanced? its one game away from being 50% in pvz, and is on a 6 game zerg win streak. If anything its trending to be imbalanced against Protoss....
That's true, since Destination is the only map where you can defend against a 4Gate Archon push, it's becoming more balanced, unlike some maps.
But the rest of his post is completely valid.
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I wouldn't say that Jaedong completely destroyed Bisu either. Jaedong did win it, and it was due to his skill that he won, but lets not act like Bisu didn't play well either, or just got rolled. It wasn't a one sided beating.
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On December 25 2008 11:48 Sentenal wrote:
I wouldn't say that Jaedong completely destroyed Bisu either. Jaedong did win it, and it was due to his skill that he won, but lets not act like Bisu didn't play well either, or just got rolled. It wasn't a one sided beating.
This just adds more in Jaedong's favor,he beat the best player on the world,who brought his A game,made no mistakes and JD could still beat him.
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On December 25 2008 11:48 Sentenal wrote:
I wouldn't say that Jaedong completely destroyed Bisu either. Jaedong did win it, and it was due to his skill that he won, but lets not act like Bisu didn't play well either, or just got rolled. It wasn't a one sided beating.
And exactly that's why this win is so important. Bisu played damn well. Did everything what a good toss does. Starting with corsair+dtdrop, safe expantions, hatchery snipe with sneaky zealots, good storming. The fact is the only toss who can do all of this at the highest level is Bisu. And he still lost. JD was everywhere, sniped shuttles, dodged storms, macroed like crazy, neutralized the 4dt-drop
Destination started as a quite imbalanced map. The fact that zergs made a 6 game winstreak almost equalized the statistics. But befor those games Zergs just got rolled over every time even JD, Luxury etc. Due to: easy storming on bridges and key locations, sneaky drops in the main which has a large circuit, so it's hard to cover, expo snipes cuz it's quite hard to secure the 4th 5th etc bases. Tosses could easily defned cuz some expos had a bridge and just had to build there 8 cannons. It looks like the zergs figured out that map. And Harmony too. At least JD did. On Sin C.R. JD looked as if he made that map. I dont know about the other players, the only non-terran who won there is JD.
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