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On December 24 2008 08:05 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 07:27 AzureEye wrote:On December 24 2008 07:09 Sentenal wrote:+ Show Spoiler + and Flash, so now he should jump to #3 on the Power Rank? How many people were mad at Sea for getting just #10 on the Power Rank just for playing 2 good games? Jaedong is playing better, don't get me wrong, but jumping from #8 to #3 is a huge leap, especially when people in front of him haven't exactly been playing poor either. The reason he dropped from #8 to #3 in the first place was because all those Protoss players above him played so well. IMO, even a drop to #8 was unjustified just because he has benefit of the doubt since he has had the #1 throne for a while now. Because if you look at the caliber of his losing games, (vs Sea) you will see that his losing games are actually incredible. Some of those Protoss players aren't doing so hot lately so #3 isn't impossible, I would put him on #1 if he can beat Stork, Bisu (again), FBH, Jangbi, Free, Sea but 1 month to play Bo3/Bo5 games with all those players is impossible lol what is even the point of saying "I'd put him at #1 if he could beat all the best players in the world, in 1 month, in Bo3/5s!" If ANY player did that, they would be #1. The reason he dropped to #8 was because he kept getting beaten. Jaedong was given the "benefit of the doubt" the previous month, when he went from #1 to #4. Jaedong will probably rise up in ranks, but he shouldn't be #3. PL wins are not the same as OSL or MSL wins.
I was just naming the top players PLUS the players that he will have to overcome (because he was defeated by them previously), not all the best players in the world. Besides I wasn't really serious about that comment because even I said its not possible to face all those players at the moment.
Yes I agree that PL wins are not the same as OSL or MSL wins. But when your team in PL uses you as an ace, and you win with that intense pressure of winning for your team when its risky, and push keep your team as #1 in the leagues, then it demonstrates your mental strength and ability to play when the stakes are high
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On December 24 2008 07:27 AzureEye wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 07:09 Sentenal wrote:+ Show Spoiler + and Flash, so now he should jump to #3 on the Power Rank? How many people were mad at Sea for getting just #10 on the Power Rank just for playing 2 good games? Jaedong is playing better, don't get me wrong, but jumping from #8 to #3 is a huge leap, especially when people in front of him haven't exactly been playing poor either. The reason he dropped from #8 to #3 in the first place was because all those Protoss players above him played so well. IMO, even a drop to #8 was unjustified just because he has benefit of the doubt since he has had the #1 throne for a while now. Because if you look at the caliber of his losing games, (vs Sea) you will see that his losing games are actually incredible. Some of those Protoss players aren't doing so hot lately so #3 isn't impossible, I would put him on #1 if he can beat Stork, Bisu (again), FBH, Jangbi, Free, Sea but 1 month to play Bo3/Bo5 games with all those players is impossible No, a lot of his losing games are not incredible, ala his games against FBH, kal, and Tempest. Oh wait...was that virtually of his defeats save the one against Sea? Yes, yes it was. lol.
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On December 24 2008 06:33 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 06:31 Kuja900 wrote:On December 24 2008 05:11 Zyraxes wrote:
I think JD need to be top 3 since he beat the hell his group, and the last series, including SKT was top notch opponents...Good bye FBH In my opinion it is illogical to rank jaedong above free given their recent series, id move free up to 4 and let jaedong/jangbi fight for 5th. Well, if Jaedong makes both MSL and OSL, he should be ranked above both Free and Jangbi, we both shockingly failed to make OSL.
But power rank is not about what a player accomplishes, its about straight up how good they are. Head to head Free proved that he was better then Jaedong.
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Jaedong's day in Proleague vs. SKT1 should get him back in the top 5 at least if he makes a habit of it.
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On December 24 2008 12:37 Kuja900 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 06:33 Avidkeystamper wrote:On December 24 2008 06:31 Kuja900 wrote:On December 24 2008 05:11 Zyraxes wrote:
I think JD need to be top 3 since he beat the hell his group, and the last series, including SKT was top notch opponents...Good bye FBH In my opinion it is illogical to rank jaedong above free given their recent series, id move free up to 4 and let jaedong/jangbi fight for 5th. Well, if Jaedong makes both MSL and OSL, he should be ranked above both Free and Jangbi, we both shockingly failed to make OSL. But power rank is not about what a player accomplishes, its about straight up how good they are. Head to head Free proved that he was better then Jaedong.
Nope i disagree, i think it was jaedong vs jaedong, more then jaedong vs free
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On December 24 2008 12:37 Kuja900 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 06:33 Avidkeystamper wrote:On December 24 2008 06:31 Kuja900 wrote:On December 24 2008 05:11 Zyraxes wrote:
I think JD need to be top 3 since he beat the hell his group, and the last series, including SKT was top notch opponents...Good bye FBH In my opinion it is illogical to rank jaedong above free given their recent series, id move free up to 4 and let jaedong/jangbi fight for 5th. Well, if Jaedong makes both MSL and OSL, he should be ranked above both Free and Jangbi, we both shockingly failed to make OSL. But power rank is not about what a player accomplishes, its about straight up how good they are. Head to head Free proved that he was better then Jaedong.
So Tempest is also better than Jaedong? yeah right. Tempest beat jaedong, but Tempest still sucks. That is why this method doesn't exactly work. Obviously, beating Jaedong certainly worked in Free's favor - but I think saying that Free is simply better than Jaedong is pushing it. Perhaps, on these maps, you can say that Free's PvZ > Jaedong's ZvP.
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On December 24 2008 08:05 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 07:27 AzureEye wrote:On December 24 2008 07:09 Sentenal wrote:+ Show Spoiler + and Flash, so now he should jump to #3 on the Power Rank? How many people were mad at Sea for getting just #10 on the Power Rank just for playing 2 good games? Jaedong is playing better, don't get me wrong, but jumping from #8 to #3 is a huge leap, especially when people in front of him haven't exactly been playing poor either. The reason he dropped from #8 to #3 in the first place was because all those Protoss players above him played so well. IMO, even a drop to #8 was unjustified just because he has benefit of the doubt since he has had the #1 throne for a while now. Because if you look at the caliber of his losing games, (vs Sea) you will see that his losing games are actually incredible. Some of those Protoss players aren't doing so hot lately so #3 isn't impossible, I would put him on #1 if he can beat Stork, Bisu (again), FBH, Jangbi, Free, Sea but 1 month to play Bo3/Bo5 games with all those players is impossible lol what is even the point of saying "I'd put him at #1 if he could beat all the best players in the world, in 1 month, in Bo3/5s!" If ANY player did that, they would be #1. The reason he dropped to #8 was because he kept getting beaten. Jaedong was given the "benefit of the doubt" the previous month, when he went from #1 to #4. Jaedong will probably rise up in ranks, but he shouldn't be #3. PL wins are not the same as OSL or MSL wins.
Then why is Flash at no3. What did he win last month? Nothing. And there are only two major leagues and the winners are on no1 and no2,it sounds just fine to me. I don't understand,if Jaedong is playing like his old self again,and even qualifies from his MSL group by owning it,why couldn't he be no3. And Free was better than Jaedong two months ago. You cannot base an argument on what was two months ago. The scene changes radically in two weeks. In august,JD beat Free 2-0 in WCG Korea,and after two months,he lost to him. Simple as that. How do you know who would win now?
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On December 24 2008 15:50 Darth Peter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 08:05 Sentenal wrote:On December 24 2008 07:27 AzureEye wrote:On December 24 2008 07:09 Sentenal wrote:+ Show Spoiler + and Flash, so now he should jump to #3 on the Power Rank? How many people were mad at Sea for getting just #10 on the Power Rank just for playing 2 good games? Jaedong is playing better, don't get me wrong, but jumping from #8 to #3 is a huge leap, especially when people in front of him haven't exactly been playing poor either. The reason he dropped from #8 to #3 in the first place was because all those Protoss players above him played so well. IMO, even a drop to #8 was unjustified just because he has benefit of the doubt since he has had the #1 throne for a while now. Because if you look at the caliber of his losing games, (vs Sea) you will see that his losing games are actually incredible. Some of those Protoss players aren't doing so hot lately so #3 isn't impossible, I would put him on #1 if he can beat Stork, Bisu (again), FBH, Jangbi, Free, Sea but 1 month to play Bo3/Bo5 games with all those players is impossible lol what is even the point of saying "I'd put him at #1 if he could beat all the best players in the world, in 1 month, in Bo3/5s!" If ANY player did that, they would be #1. The reason he dropped to #8 was because he kept getting beaten. Jaedong was given the "benefit of the doubt" the previous month, when he went from #1 to #4. Jaedong will probably rise up in ranks, but he shouldn't be #3. PL wins are not the same as OSL or MSL wins. Then why is Flash at no3. What did he win last month? Nothing. And there are only two major leagues and the winners are on no1 and no2,it sounds just fine to me. I don't understand,if Jaedong is playing like his old self again,and even qualifies from his MSL group by owning it,why couldn't he be no1. And Free was better than Jaedong two months ago. You cannot base an argument on what was two months ago. The scene changes radically in two weeks. In august,JD beat Free 2-0 in WCG Korea,and after two months,he lost to him. Simple as that. How do you know who would win now?
Wasn't Flash something like 16-4 in PL? Thats why he got to be #3.
Jaedong doesn't have some inherient "right" to be #1. That is what I think you aren't understanding. JD lost his #1 spot 2 PRs ago. He he wants it, he has to EARN it back, that that will take both him plowing through leagues, and people above him not. He beat Flash and Bisu in some PL games. He also got raped by FBH. He got knocked out of GOM by freakin Tempest.
Bisu was #1 on the Power Ranks before JD ever was, and for a stretch of time longer than anything JD or Flash can say. But does that fact mean that if he plays well in a few PL games, he deserves to be #1? No, of course not, thats stupid. What would make him #1 is consistent results, and wins against good players in Bo3s and Bo5s. I'm not saying JD should stay at #8. If he keeps playing well, top 5 isn't unreasonable. But unless people like Bisu and Stork really start sucking, there is no way he will get #1.
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On December 24 2008 16:27 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 15:50 Darth Peter wrote:On December 24 2008 08:05 Sentenal wrote:On December 24 2008 07:27 AzureEye wrote:On December 24 2008 07:09 Sentenal wrote:+ Show Spoiler + and Flash, so now he should jump to #3 on the Power Rank? How many people were mad at Sea for getting just #10 on the Power Rank just for playing 2 good games? Jaedong is playing better, don't get me wrong, but jumping from #8 to #3 is a huge leap, especially when people in front of him haven't exactly been playing poor either. The reason he dropped from #8 to #3 in the first place was because all those Protoss players above him played so well. IMO, even a drop to #8 was unjustified just because he has benefit of the doubt since he has had the #1 throne for a while now. Because if you look at the caliber of his losing games, (vs Sea) you will see that his losing games are actually incredible. Some of those Protoss players aren't doing so hot lately so #3 isn't impossible, I would put him on #1 if he can beat Stork, Bisu (again), FBH, Jangbi, Free, Sea but 1 month to play Bo3/Bo5 games with all those players is impossible lol what is even the point of saying "I'd put him at #1 if he could beat all the best players in the world, in 1 month, in Bo3/5s!" If ANY player did that, they would be #1. The reason he dropped to #8 was because he kept getting beaten. Jaedong was given the "benefit of the doubt" the previous month, when he went from #1 to #4. Jaedong will probably rise up in ranks, but he shouldn't be #3. PL wins are not the same as OSL or MSL wins. Then why is Flash at no3. What did he win last month? Nothing. And there are only two major leagues and the winners are on no1 and no2,it sounds just fine to me. I don't understand,if Jaedong is playing like his old self again,and even qualifies from his MSL group by owning it,why couldn't he be no1. And Free was better than Jaedong two months ago. You cannot base an argument on what was two months ago. The scene changes radically in two weeks. In august,JD beat Free 2-0 in WCG Korea,and after two months,he lost to him. Simple as that. How do you know who would win now? Wasn't Flash something like 16-4 in PL? Thats why he got to be #3. Jaedong doesn't have some inherient "right" to be #1. That is what I think you aren't understanding. JD lost his #1 spot 2 PRs ago. He he wants it, he has to EARN it back, that that will take both him plowing through leagues, and people above him not. He beat Flash and Bisu in some PL games. He also got raped by FBH. He got knocked out of GOM by freakin Tempest. Bisu was #1 on the Power Ranks before JD ever was, and for a stretch of time longer than anything JD or Flash can say. But does that fact mean that if he plays well in a few PL games, he deserves to be #1? No, of course not, thats stupid. What would make him #1 is consistent results, and wins against good players in Bo3s and Bo5s. I'm not saying JD should stay at #8. If he keeps playing well, top 5 isn't unreasonable. But unless people like Bisu and Stork really start sucking, there is no way he will get #1.
Where did I say no1? I said no 3. He is not even close to the first two right now. But I don't care why does beating mid-class players and n00bs weigh more than winning against three of the best players in the world and being on a five winning streak. I mean Jaedong can beat Anytime and Casy too,but when Flash met with players like JD and Stork,he lost. I think Flash is again overrated and overhyped. Yes,he is a good player,but he is already hyped as the Dragon Slayer. What Dragon did he slay? He beat Free in a very unimpressive match,and lost to Stork. What is Dragon Slaying about that? If he can beat Bisu,it will be legitimate. But of course,that will never happen.
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Jaedong is the most reliable player and the ace of the 1st placed PL team.
Jaedong beat Bisu's PvZ on Destination, considered to be p favoring against Z. Bisu played up to his potential. It wasnt his loss, it was JD's win.
Jaedong beat two of the best terrans. Flash and his mech build, no in fact he completly desrtoyed it, not just beat it. And Fantasy on a map (Sin CR) where Terrans didnt lose up to that, and yet again it was a complet ownage, the only thing which i missed was the queen infesting a CC, but that's ok.
Lets see some statistics: His ELO is the 4th ranked, 4th in the PL individual ranking.
And he did achieve this in a week. If he keeps this up, meaning he passes his MSL group which he certanly can, and ownes in PL, what will be your argument against him? He lsot to Free in October? Or he still has to pass his OSL group where he will face the mighty Tazza and Light? C'mon there are no arguments against JD atm, he was first on PR cuz he played like this, and now when he regained his power you argue about him being 5th or so? Damn people, watch games. Or watch statistics even, those too help JD right now. I don't see him 1st next month just yet, BUT there are more than 2 weeks till the new PR, so just wait it, so it might happen. Forget that 5th place kids.
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On December 24 2008 16:47 Darth Peter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 16:27 Sentenal wrote:On December 24 2008 15:50 Darth Peter wrote:On December 24 2008 08:05 Sentenal wrote:On December 24 2008 07:27 AzureEye wrote:On December 24 2008 07:09 Sentenal wrote:+ Show Spoiler + and Flash, so now he should jump to #3 on the Power Rank? How many people were mad at Sea for getting just #10 on the Power Rank just for playing 2 good games? Jaedong is playing better, don't get me wrong, but jumping from #8 to #3 is a huge leap, especially when people in front of him haven't exactly been playing poor either. The reason he dropped from #8 to #3 in the first place was because all those Protoss players above him played so well. IMO, even a drop to #8 was unjustified just because he has benefit of the doubt since he has had the #1 throne for a while now. Because if you look at the caliber of his losing games, (vs Sea) you will see that his losing games are actually incredible. Some of those Protoss players aren't doing so hot lately so #3 isn't impossible, I would put him on #1 if he can beat Stork, Bisu (again), FBH, Jangbi, Free, Sea but 1 month to play Bo3/Bo5 games with all those players is impossible lol what is even the point of saying "I'd put him at #1 if he could beat all the best players in the world, in 1 month, in Bo3/5s!" If ANY player did that, they would be #1. The reason he dropped to #8 was because he kept getting beaten. Jaedong was given the "benefit of the doubt" the previous month, when he went from #1 to #4. Jaedong will probably rise up in ranks, but he shouldn't be #3. PL wins are not the same as OSL or MSL wins. Then why is Flash at no3. What did he win last month? Nothing. And there are only two major leagues and the winners are on no1 and no2,it sounds just fine to me. I don't understand,if Jaedong is playing like his old self again,and even qualifies from his MSL group by owning it,why couldn't he be no1. And Free was better than Jaedong two months ago. You cannot base an argument on what was two months ago. The scene changes radically in two weeks. In august,JD beat Free 2-0 in WCG Korea,and after two months,he lost to him. Simple as that. How do you know who would win now? Wasn't Flash something like 16-4 in PL? Thats why he got to be #3. Jaedong doesn't have some inherient "right" to be #1. That is what I think you aren't understanding. JD lost his #1 spot 2 PRs ago. He he wants it, he has to EARN it back, that that will take both him plowing through leagues, and people above him not. He beat Flash and Bisu in some PL games. He also got raped by FBH. He got knocked out of GOM by freakin Tempest. Bisu was #1 on the Power Ranks before JD ever was, and for a stretch of time longer than anything JD or Flash can say. But does that fact mean that if he plays well in a few PL games, he deserves to be #1? No, of course not, thats stupid. What would make him #1 is consistent results, and wins against good players in Bo3s and Bo5s. I'm not saying JD should stay at #8. If he keeps playing well, top 5 isn't unreasonable. But unless people like Bisu and Stork really start sucking, there is no way he will get #1. Where did I say no1? I said no 3. He is not even close to the first two right now. But I don't care why does beating mid-class players and n00bs weigh more than winning against three of the best players in the world and being on a five winning streak. I mean Jaedong can beat Anytime and Casy too,but when Flash met with players like JD and Stork,he lost. I think Flash is again overrated and overhyped. Yes,he is a good player,but he is already hyped as the Dragon Slayer. What Dragon did he slay? He beat Free in a very unimpressive match,and lost to Stork. What is Dragon Slaying about that? If he can beat Bisu,it will be legitimate. But of course,that will never happen.
"I don't understand,if Jaedong is playing like his old self again,and even qualifies from his MSL group by owning it,why couldn't he be no1."
And I'm not a Flash fan, but 16-4 is a very good record for PL. Its a hell of alot better than JD getting beaten by poor players in PL. And as a Bisu fan, I'm kinda scared about his upcoming series with Flash. Flash is known for his TvP, and Bisu has always been a PvZ expert. I hate Flash, but I can't say hes over-rated.
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On December 24 2008 16:54 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 16:47 Darth Peter wrote:On December 24 2008 16:27 Sentenal wrote:On December 24 2008 15:50 Darth Peter wrote:On December 24 2008 08:05 Sentenal wrote:On December 24 2008 07:27 AzureEye wrote:On December 24 2008 07:09 Sentenal wrote:+ Show Spoiler + and Flash, so now he should jump to #3 on the Power Rank? How many people were mad at Sea for getting just #10 on the Power Rank just for playing 2 good games? Jaedong is playing better, don't get me wrong, but jumping from #8 to #3 is a huge leap, especially when people in front of him haven't exactly been playing poor either. The reason he dropped from #8 to #3 in the first place was because all those Protoss players above him played so well. IMO, even a drop to #8 was unjustified just because he has benefit of the doubt since he has had the #1 throne for a while now. Because if you look at the caliber of his losing games, (vs Sea) you will see that his losing games are actually incredible. Some of those Protoss players aren't doing so hot lately so #3 isn't impossible, I would put him on #1 if he can beat Stork, Bisu (again), FBH, Jangbi, Free, Sea but 1 month to play Bo3/Bo5 games with all those players is impossible lol what is even the point of saying "I'd put him at #1 if he could beat all the best players in the world, in 1 month, in Bo3/5s!" If ANY player did that, they would be #1. The reason he dropped to #8 was because he kept getting beaten. Jaedong was given the "benefit of the doubt" the previous month, when he went from #1 to #4. Jaedong will probably rise up in ranks, but he shouldn't be #3. PL wins are not the same as OSL or MSL wins. Then why is Flash at no3. What did he win last month? Nothing. And there are only two major leagues and the winners are on no1 and no2,it sounds just fine to me. I don't understand,if Jaedong is playing like his old self again,and even qualifies from his MSL group by owning it,why couldn't he be no1. And Free was better than Jaedong two months ago. You cannot base an argument on what was two months ago. The scene changes radically in two weeks. In august,JD beat Free 2-0 in WCG Korea,and after two months,he lost to him. Simple as that. How do you know who would win now? Wasn't Flash something like 16-4 in PL? Thats why he got to be #3. Jaedong doesn't have some inherient "right" to be #1. That is what I think you aren't understanding. JD lost his #1 spot 2 PRs ago. He he wants it, he has to EARN it back, that that will take both him plowing through leagues, and people above him not. He beat Flash and Bisu in some PL games. He also got raped by FBH. He got knocked out of GOM by freakin Tempest. Bisu was #1 on the Power Ranks before JD ever was, and for a stretch of time longer than anything JD or Flash can say. But does that fact mean that if he plays well in a few PL games, he deserves to be #1? No, of course not, thats stupid. What would make him #1 is consistent results, and wins against good players in Bo3s and Bo5s. I'm not saying JD should stay at #8. If he keeps playing well, top 5 isn't unreasonable. But unless people like Bisu and Stork really start sucking, there is no way he will get #1. Where did I say no1? I said no 3. He is not even close to the first two right now. But I don't care why does beating mid-class players and n00bs weigh more than winning against three of the best players in the world and being on a five winning streak. I mean Jaedong can beat Anytime and Casy too,but when Flash met with players like JD and Stork,he lost. I think Flash is again overrated and overhyped. Yes,he is a good player,but he is already hyped as the Dragon Slayer. What Dragon did he slay? He beat Free in a very unimpressive match,and lost to Stork. What is Dragon Slaying about that? If he can beat Bisu,it will be legitimate. But of course,that will never happen. "I don't understand,if Jaedong is playing like his old self again,and even qualifies from his MSL group by owning it,why couldn't he be no1." And I'm not a Flash fan, but 16-4 is a very good record for PL. Its a hell of alot better than JD getting beaten by poor players in PL. And as a Bisu fan, I'm kinda scared about his upcoming series with Flash. Flash is known for his TvP, and Bisu has always been a PvZ expert. I hate Flash, but I can't say hes over-rated.
OMG,I am stupid,I really wrote no1,when I meant 3,I corrected it,thank you. I am scared a little too,but I am confident,and if Bisu can beat Flash,I see no reason why Flash should remain no3.
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On December 24 2008 16:51 Geo.Rion wrote:
Jaedong is the most reliable player and the ace of the 1st placed PL team.
Jaedong beat Bisu's PvZ on Destination, considered to be p favoring against Z. Bisu played up to his potential. It wasnt his loss, it was JD's win.
Jaedong beat two of the best terrans. Flash and his mech build, no in fact he completly desrtoyed it, not just beat it. And Fantasy on a map (Sin CR) where Terrans didnt lose up to that, and yet again it was a complet ownage, the only thing which i missed was the queen infesting a CC, but that's ok.
Lets see some statistics: His ELO is the 4th ranked, 4th in the PL individual ranking.
And he did achieve this in a week. If he keeps this up, meaning he passes his MSL group which he certanly can, and ownes in PL, what will be your argument against him? He lsot to Free in October? Or he still has to pass his OSL group where he will face the mighty Tazza and Light? C'mon there are no arguments against JD atm, he was first on PR cuz he played like this, and now when he regained his power you argue about him being 5th or so? Damn people, watch games. Or watch statistics even, those too help JD right now. I don't see him 1st next month just yet, BUT there are more than 2 weeks till the new PR, so just wait it, so it might happen. Forget that 5th place kids.
The problem with Jaedong is that other than FBH, everyone else above him is still in GOM. The fact that he lost to FREAKING Tempest and doesn't even have Byzantium as an excuse is just unacceptable, and really gives him zero chance to make it to the top of the PR until he potentially destroys everyone in the next MSL/OSL.
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On December 24 2008 17:35 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 16:51 Geo.Rion wrote:
Jaedong is the most reliable player and the ace of the 1st placed PL team.
Jaedong beat Bisu's PvZ on Destination, considered to be p favoring against Z. Bisu played up to his potential. It wasnt his loss, it was JD's win.
Jaedong beat two of the best terrans. Flash and his mech build, no in fact he completly desrtoyed it, not just beat it. And Fantasy on a map (Sin CR) where Terrans didnt lose up to that, and yet again it was a complet ownage, the only thing which i missed was the queen infesting a CC, but that's ok.
Lets see some statistics: His ELO is the 4th ranked, 4th in the PL individual ranking.
And he did achieve this in a week. If he keeps this up, meaning he passes his MSL group which he certanly can, and ownes in PL, what will be your argument against him? He lsot to Free in October? Or he still has to pass his OSL group where he will face the mighty Tazza and Light? C'mon there are no arguments against JD atm, he was first on PR cuz he played like this, and now when he regained his power you argue about him being 5th or so? Damn people, watch games. Or watch statistics even, those too help JD right now. I don't see him 1st next month just yet, BUT there are more than 2 weeks till the new PR, so just wait it, so it might happen. Forget that 5th place kids.
The problem with Jaedong is that other than FBH, everyone else above him is still in GOM. The fact that he lost to FREAKING Tempest and doesn't even have Byzantium as an excuse is just unacceptable, and really gives him zero chance to make it to the top of the PR until he potentially destroys everyone in the next MSL/OSL.
PR isnt about GOM, and isnt about events witch happened months ago. he lost to Tempest, there you go 8th rank, you don't use that anymore. You could say his ZvP is bad cuz he lsot to Tempest, so he deosnt deserve a high rank. BUT DAMMIT. He just destroyed Bisu on Destination. And it was an ace match!! Don't forget the weight of that. The new PR will come out around 10th of January. The new OSL will finish i guess in march or april or even after. So you basicly said he has to win (destroy eveybody) the MSL/OSLs to get back on top. Damn, you're... AH, merry christmas.
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On December 24 2008 17:35 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 16:51 Geo.Rion wrote:
Jaedong is the most reliable player and the ace of the 1st placed PL team.
Jaedong beat Bisu's PvZ on Destination, considered to be p favoring against Z. Bisu played up to his potential. It wasnt his loss, it was JD's win.
Jaedong beat two of the best terrans. Flash and his mech build, no in fact he completly desrtoyed it, not just beat it. And Fantasy on a map (Sin CR) where Terrans didnt lose up to that, and yet again it was a complet ownage, the only thing which i missed was the queen infesting a CC, but that's ok.
Lets see some statistics: His ELO is the 4th ranked, 4th in the PL individual ranking.
And he did achieve this in a week. If he keeps this up, meaning he passes his MSL group which he certanly can, and ownes in PL, what will be your argument against him? He lsot to Free in October? Or he still has to pass his OSL group where he will face the mighty Tazza and Light? C'mon there are no arguments against JD atm, he was first on PR cuz he played like this, and now when he regained his power you argue about him being 5th or so? Damn people, watch games. Or watch statistics even, those too help JD right now. I don't see him 1st next month just yet, BUT there are more than 2 weeks till the new PR, so just wait it, so it might happen. Forget that 5th place kids.
The problem with Jaedong is that other than FBH, everyone else above him is still in GOM. The fact that he lost to FREAKING Tempest and doesn't even have Byzantium as an excuse is just unacceptable, and really gives him zero chance to make it to the top of the PR until he potentially destroys everyone in the next MSL/OSL.
Medusa is also bad for ZvP ... It depents how he performs in his games until the next PR comes out . Jaedong will definetly be above half and more of the tosses and maybe Flash if he continues to play like this . Alot will depent on him qualifing for MSL and OSL and i think that will bring him back in top 5 , because most of the players Free , FBH , JangBI , Best already failed in offlines for OSL or MSL , that will cause some consequence later on .
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On December 24 2008 16:27 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 15:50 Darth Peter wrote:On December 24 2008 08:05 Sentenal wrote:On December 24 2008 07:27 AzureEye wrote:On December 24 2008 07:09 Sentenal wrote:+ Show Spoiler + and Flash, so now he should jump to #3 on the Power Rank? How many people were mad at Sea for getting just #10 on the Power Rank just for playing 2 good games? Jaedong is playing better, don't get me wrong, but jumping from #8 to #3 is a huge leap, especially when people in front of him haven't exactly been playing poor either. The reason he dropped from #8 to #3 in the first place was because all those Protoss players above him played so well. IMO, even a drop to #8 was unjustified just because he has benefit of the doubt since he has had the #1 throne for a while now. Because if you look at the caliber of his losing games, (vs Sea) you will see that his losing games are actually incredible. Some of those Protoss players aren't doing so hot lately so #3 isn't impossible, I would put him on #1 if he can beat Stork, Bisu (again), FBH, Jangbi, Free, Sea but 1 month to play Bo3/Bo5 games with all those players is impossible lol what is even the point of saying "I'd put him at #1 if he could beat all the best players in the world, in 1 month, in Bo3/5s!" If ANY player did that, they would be #1. The reason he dropped to #8 was because he kept getting beaten. Jaedong was given the "benefit of the doubt" the previous month, when he went from #1 to #4. Jaedong will probably rise up in ranks, but he shouldn't be #3. PL wins are not the same as OSL or MSL wins. Then why is Flash at no3. What did he win last month? Nothing. And there are only two major leagues and the winners are on no1 and no2,it sounds just fine to me. I don't understand,if Jaedong is playing like his old self again,and even qualifies from his MSL group by owning it,why couldn't he be no1. And Free was better than Jaedong two months ago. You cannot base an argument on what was two months ago. The scene changes radically in two weeks. In august,JD beat Free 2-0 in WCG Korea,and after two months,he lost to him. Simple as that. How do you know who would win now? Wasn't Flash something like 16-4 in PL? Thats why he got to be #3. Jaedong doesn't have some inherient "right" to be #1. That is what I think you aren't understanding. JD lost his #1 spot 2 PRs ago. He he wants it, he has to EARN it back, that that will take both him plowing through leagues, and people above him not. He beat Flash and Bisu in some PL games. He also got raped by FBH. He got knocked out of GOM by freakin Tempest. Bisu was #1 on the Power Ranks before JD ever was, and for a stretch of time longer than anything JD or Flash can say. But does that fact mean that if he plays well in a few PL games, he deserves to be #1? No, of course not, thats stupid. What would make him #1 is consistent results, and wins against good players in Bo3s and Bo5s. I'm not saying JD should stay at #8. If he keeps playing well, top 5 isn't unreasonable. But unless people like Bisu and Stork really start sucking, there is no way he will get #1.
Well Bisu's time is running short he is facing Flash in Gom , and if they change the maps i don't think Bisu will have a chance . On this maps he most curtainly does , but even Mind showed that he can overcome the maps , so i'm expecting that Flash will do the same . If Bisu loses to Flash i think Stork should regein the # 1 spot if he continues in Gom , because besides him and JangBI i don't see an other protoss to be a favourite over Flash . Also Mind should get a boost in PR next month .
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On December 24 2008 18:31 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 16:27 Sentenal wrote:On December 24 2008 15:50 Darth Peter wrote:On December 24 2008 08:05 Sentenal wrote:On December 24 2008 07:27 AzureEye wrote:On December 24 2008 07:09 Sentenal wrote:+ Show Spoiler + and Flash, so now he should jump to #3 on the Power Rank? How many people were mad at Sea for getting just #10 on the Power Rank just for playing 2 good games? Jaedong is playing better, don't get me wrong, but jumping from #8 to #3 is a huge leap, especially when people in front of him haven't exactly been playing poor either. The reason he dropped from #8 to #3 in the first place was because all those Protoss players above him played so well. IMO, even a drop to #8 was unjustified just because he has benefit of the doubt since he has had the #1 throne for a while now. Because if you look at the caliber of his losing games, (vs Sea) you will see that his losing games are actually incredible. Some of those Protoss players aren't doing so hot lately so #3 isn't impossible, I would put him on #1 if he can beat Stork, Bisu (again), FBH, Jangbi, Free, Sea but 1 month to play Bo3/Bo5 games with all those players is impossible lol what is even the point of saying "I'd put him at #1 if he could beat all the best players in the world, in 1 month, in Bo3/5s!" If ANY player did that, they would be #1. The reason he dropped to #8 was because he kept getting beaten. Jaedong was given the "benefit of the doubt" the previous month, when he went from #1 to #4. Jaedong will probably rise up in ranks, but he shouldn't be #3. PL wins are not the same as OSL or MSL wins. Then why is Flash at no3. What did he win last month? Nothing. And there are only two major leagues and the winners are on no1 and no2,it sounds just fine to me. I don't understand,if Jaedong is playing like his old self again,and even qualifies from his MSL group by owning it,why couldn't he be no1. And Free was better than Jaedong two months ago. You cannot base an argument on what was two months ago. The scene changes radically in two weeks. In august,JD beat Free 2-0 in WCG Korea,and after two months,he lost to him. Simple as that. How do you know who would win now? Wasn't Flash something like 16-4 in PL? Thats why he got to be #3. Jaedong doesn't have some inherient "right" to be #1. That is what I think you aren't understanding. JD lost his #1 spot 2 PRs ago. He he wants it, he has to EARN it back, that that will take both him plowing through leagues, and people above him not. He beat Flash and Bisu in some PL games. He also got raped by FBH. He got knocked out of GOM by freakin Tempest. Bisu was #1 on the Power Ranks before JD ever was, and for a stretch of time longer than anything JD or Flash can say. But does that fact mean that if he plays well in a few PL games, he deserves to be #1? No, of course not, thats stupid. What would make him #1 is consistent results, and wins against good players in Bo3s and Bo5s. I'm not saying JD should stay at #8. If he keeps playing well, top 5 isn't unreasonable. But unless people like Bisu and Stork really start sucking, there is no way he will get #1. Well Bisu's time is running short he is facing Flash in Gom , and if they change the maps i don't think Bisu will have a chance . On this maps he most curtainly does , but even Mind showed that he can overcome the maps , so i'm expecting that Flash will do the same . If Bisu loses to Flash i think Stork should regein the # 1 spot if he continues in Gom , because besides him and JangBI i don't see an other protoss to be a favourite over Flash . Also Mind should get a boost in PR next month .
I think Bisu should definitely remain no1. I mean look,Stork is maybe able to beat Flash,but he can't beat Bisu himself. Bisu is weak to Flash,but if he loses to him,I don't think that's a justification to drop Bisu,because he had the strongest play this month so far. But anyway,it will depend on the quality of games and how Bisu will play,but I think that Flash is not the same TvP beast he used to be,he didn't play too well against Free and Stork,and Bisu is in his best shape,so I think Bisu will take it.
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On December 24 2008 18:10 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 17:35 baubo wrote:On December 24 2008 16:51 Geo.Rion wrote:
Jaedong is the most reliable player and the ace of the 1st placed PL team.
Jaedong beat Bisu's PvZ on Destination, considered to be p favoring against Z. Bisu played up to his potential. It wasnt his loss, it was JD's win.
Jaedong beat two of the best terrans. Flash and his mech build, no in fact he completly desrtoyed it, not just beat it. And Fantasy on a map (Sin CR) where Terrans didnt lose up to that, and yet again it was a complet ownage, the only thing which i missed was the queen infesting a CC, but that's ok.
Lets see some statistics: His ELO is the 4th ranked, 4th in the PL individual ranking.
And he did achieve this in a week. If he keeps this up, meaning he passes his MSL group which he certanly can, and ownes in PL, what will be your argument against him? He lsot to Free in October? Or he still has to pass his OSL group where he will face the mighty Tazza and Light? C'mon there are no arguments against JD atm, he was first on PR cuz he played like this, and now when he regained his power you argue about him being 5th or so? Damn people, watch games. Or watch statistics even, those too help JD right now. I don't see him 1st next month just yet, BUT there are more than 2 weeks till the new PR, so just wait it, so it might happen. Forget that 5th place kids.
The problem with Jaedong is that other than FBH, everyone else above him is still in GOM. The fact that he lost to FREAKING Tempest and doesn't even have Byzantium as an excuse is just unacceptable, and really gives him zero chance to make it to the top of the PR until he potentially destroys everyone in the next MSL/OSL. Medusa is also bad for ZvP ... It depents how he performs in his games until the next PR comes out . Jaedong will definetly be above half and more of the tosses and maybe Flash if he continues to play like this . Alot will depent on him qualifing for MSL and OSL and i think that will bring him back in top 5 , because most of the players Free , FBH , JangBI , Best already failed in offlines for OSL or MSL , that will cause some consequence later on .
Which is why I set Jaedong's potential rise timeline at the next MSL/OSL. But that's still a ways off. And he has to perform well at both too, which is no certainty. Right now, every toss can claim GOM Ro8(provide no huge upsets) while Jaedong got kicked out of Ro32.
Medusa is bad ZvP, but it's not unplayable. And Jaedong lost in the 3rd game on the same map he beat Bisu on.
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