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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
December 16 2008 03:35 GMT
#181
I havent watched all the games of flash vs fbh, however, one of them was a rush. In general, 3 games is a very small sample. Flash is a better tvt player than FBH, and would likely crush im in a series. Obviously upsets can happen. But a few b01's [and I think Sea can testify to this!] don't mean much in the long run.
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Sprite
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1015 Posts
December 16 2008 03:52 GMT
#182
On December 16 2008 12:35 Dazed_Spy wrote:
I havent watched all the games of flash vs fbh, however, one of them was a rush. In general, 3 games is a very small sample. Flash is a better tvt player than FBH, and would likely crush im in a series. Obviously upsets can happen. But a few b01's [and I think Sea can testify to this!] don't mean much in the long run.



Watch the other 2 games and then come back maybe that will change your opinion more then words.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
December 16 2008 04:34 GMT
#183
*proceeds to shit rainbows and sing tra-la-la*
Their are four errors in this sentance.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
December 16 2008 04:35 GMT
#184
On December 16 2008 12:52 Sprite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2008 12:35 Dazed_Spy wrote:
I havent watched all the games of flash vs fbh, however, one of them was a rush. In general, 3 games is a very small sample. Flash is a better tvt player than FBH, and would likely crush im in a series. Obviously upsets can happen. But a few b01's [and I think Sea can testify to this!] don't mean much in the long run.



Watch the other 2 games and then come back maybe that will change your opinion more then words.
I never said FBH isnt very, very good in tvt. I'm simply saying in a major series against flash, thats a totally different ball game from PL. Not that FBH doesn't understand series play, but again, PL can only tell you so much.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 08:00:31
December 16 2008 06:17 GMT
#185
On December 15 2008 22:59 Fwmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2008 22:45 Geo.Rion wrote:
On December 15 2008 20:59 Plexa wrote:
Same argument can be applied to the Jaedong game, however, Sea's control was really lacking throughout, and it was really his glaring mistakes which allowed Jaedong to stay in the game for so long and turn it into an amazing game. Once again, great game - but not something to take as "SEAS TVZ IS NO1".




Glaring mistakes? I didnt see those. Sea vs jaedong was the best TvZ i've seen in a long time. Against FBH JD didnt play this well, he committed some really ugly mistakes in game 1, and in the second he reacted poorly to the bunker rush. BUt the game against Sea JD played briliantly, with a good build, awesome defiler control. Sea's multitasking was amazing, his macro was the factor what kept him in the game. And not only he beat Iris in a close game. Iris didnt played poorly. Sea's macro and multitasking was good. He stumped Hwasin too on the same map days later. AND HE'S IN BOTH LEAUGES! Pusan isnt. he failed both offliners. Loosing in one of them that's ok, in both, that's poor. Sea will met Leta soon so then the discussion will end.

Here many ppl were saying Flash for 1st/2nd spot, he would beat Stork or Bisu if they meet. I said, let's wait for the game, it will happen. Well it happened, he lost to Stork, and he will have to face Bisu too. So wait tilt Sea meets some of his "rivals".


A short note about Sea vs Jaedong. Look at the vessels. See how he floats his vessels right into waiting scourge. Watch that first push against 3 o clock. Tell me with a straight face Sea didn't make any mistakes.

He is however in both leagues, and is playing overall quite well. I still think Leta would have been a better 10.


you absolutely cannot afford not to irradiate defilers and ultralisks, and you have to do so before you engage or youre dead

the fact that jaedong scourged all of those vessels is a credit to jaedong, but in TvZ you have to use those irradiates whether you lose the vessels or not. against defiler tech you can't just charge a bunch of shit, you'll lose. With Sea's economy as strong as it was he can afford to lose those vessels, and its not like he lost a bunch of them unnecessarily. It was a long game, vessels are gonna die.
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QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
December 16 2008 08:37 GMT
#186
On December 16 2008 15:17 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2008 22:59 Fwmeh wrote:
On December 15 2008 22:45 Geo.Rion wrote:
On December 15 2008 20:59 Plexa wrote:
Same argument can be applied to the Jaedong game, however, Sea's control was really lacking throughout, and it was really his glaring mistakes which allowed Jaedong to stay in the game for so long and turn it into an amazing game. Once again, great game - but not something to take as "SEAS TVZ IS NO1".




Glaring mistakes? I didnt see those. Sea vs jaedong was the best TvZ i've seen in a long time. Against FBH JD didnt play this well, he committed some really ugly mistakes in game 1, and in the second he reacted poorly to the bunker rush. BUt the game against Sea JD played briliantly, with a good build, awesome defiler control. Sea's multitasking was amazing, his macro was the factor what kept him in the game. And not only he beat Iris in a close game. Iris didnt played poorly. Sea's macro and multitasking was good. He stumped Hwasin too on the same map days later. AND HE'S IN BOTH LEAUGES! Pusan isnt. he failed both offliners. Loosing in one of them that's ok, in both, that's poor. Sea will met Leta soon so then the discussion will end.

Here many ppl were saying Flash for 1st/2nd spot, he would beat Stork or Bisu if they meet. I said, let's wait for the game, it will happen. Well it happened, he lost to Stork, and he will have to face Bisu too. So wait tilt Sea meets some of his "rivals".


A short note about Sea vs Jaedong. Look at the vessels. See how he floats his vessels right into waiting scourge. Watch that first push against 3 o clock. Tell me with a straight face Sea didn't make any mistakes.

He is however in both leagues, and is playing overall quite well. I still think Leta would have been a better 10.


you absolutely cannot afford not to irradiate defilers and ultralisks, and you have to do so before you engage or youre dead

the fact that jaedong scourged all of those vessels is a credit to jaedong, but in TvZ you have to use those irradiates whether you lose the vessels or not. against defiler tech you can't just charge a bunch of shit, you'll lose. With Sea's economy as strong as it was he can afford to lose those vessels, and its not like he lost a bunch of them unnecessarily. It was a long game, vessels are gonna die.


There were an assload of vessel kills that game, but you're absolutely right - vessels are gonna die, especially when you're up against Jaedong. I still think Sea played amazingly well.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
December 16 2008 11:02 GMT
#187
Huh.

Looks like if Leta can beat Bestgod, then we'll see Sea vs. Leta.

Should be fun!
Cheese is good for you!
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
December 16 2008 12:35 GMT
#188
flash vs bisu in gom coming, nice!
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10700 Posts
December 16 2008 14:05 GMT
#189
I wouldn't put Sea there but other than this i agree.



The Sea vs Jaedong game was awesome... But:

Jaedong made one mistake.
He forgot to build a Nyduscanal for his *hidden* 11 o'clock for WAY to long (result: Nydus is morphing, Sea attacks at this moment, nydus does not complet, sea wins the game from there on). If he would have had constructed this one Nydus with the *normal* and proper timing, he could and would have defended that expo with ease and after that crushed the min only and Natural of that position whiteout a problem. Sea would have been dead right there.
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
December 16 2008 17:41 GMT
#190
Bisu!!!!!!!!!!
750/750 emotions fully stacked
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 18:06:43
December 16 2008 18:05 GMT
#191
On December 15 2008 22:45 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2008 20:59 Plexa wrote:
Same argument can be applied to the Jaedong game, however, Sea's control was really lacking throughout, and it was really his glaring mistakes which allowed Jaedong to stay in the game for so long and turn it into an amazing game. Once again, great game - but not something to take as "SEAS TVZ IS NO1".




Glaring mistakes? I didnt see those. Sea vs jaedong was the best TvZ i've seen in a long time. Against FBH JD didnt play this well, he committed some really ugly mistakes in game 1, and in the second he reacted poorly to the bunker rush. BUt the game against Sea JD played briliantly, with a good build, awesome defiler control. Sea's multitasking was amazing, his macro was the factor what kept him in the game. And not only he beat Iris in a close game. Iris didnt played poorly. Sea's macro and multitasking was good. He stumped Hwasin too on the same map days later. AND HE'S IN BOTH LEAUGES! Pusan isnt. he failed both offliners. Loosing in one of them that's ok, in both, that's poor. Sea will met Leta soon so then the discussion will end.

Here many ppl were saying Flash for 1st/2nd spot, he would beat Stork or Bisu if they meet. I said, let's wait for the game, it will happen. Well it happened, he lost to Stork, and he will have to face Bisu too. So wait tilt Sea meets some of his "rivals".
First of all, i never said Pusan should be on the top 10, he should, however be ahead of sea.

NEWSFLASH Sea didn't "qualify" for either league. He was auto-seeded into the minor leauges so how does that vouch for his current skill? It says nothing. His Proleauge record is average as already outlined but thats already been outlined. Your only argument is that Sea is in both leagues really (i can't beleive you think sea played perfect against jaedong rofl wtf) and that's just been addressed - you can use a seed as a sign of current skill.

On December 15 2008 21:38 raga4ka wrote:
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On December 15 2008 20:59 Plexa wrote:
On December 15 2008 12:53 QibingZero wrote:
On December 15 2008 09:22 OneOther wrote:
lol i am sad my power rank didnt reach 1000 comments, so close

although i know you love sea, you are giving him too much credit for his games against Jaedong and Iris. beating jaedong, which plenty of other players have done lately, is not enough to give him that #10 spot imo. sure, it was a nice game, but there are other more deserving players, such as leta, pusan, and yarnc. the game verses iris was a joke because he had it won much earlier and decided to drag it on. you can call it a good game if you but that should not give him the edge over those three players i listed, who have been ripping apart Proleague for a while now.

you watched kal's games against midas, go.go, pure, tosky, and etc? yes, i know they are not S-class gamers, but it's better than jaedong losing left and right to everyone he runs into. (bo3 loss against templest lol)


See this is my problem with a lot of the posts in response. I actually made a post with a couple criticisms on the actual PR for what I think seemed to be not taking into consideration performance over results, but you guys are going the opposite way. The Jaedong - Sea game was absolutely amazing on both sides. I don't see how you can say that game took anything away from either player, let alone act as if beating Jaedong in a game like that is no big deal (what, because Jaedong lost a bo3 to a protoss on ridiculous maps?). The same thing can be said for the games Jaedong lost to FBH (first one) and free.

And all this talk about Sea not being as impressive as the other names mentioned (yet few are saying anything about FBH, who didn't qualify for the OSL, being at 6) is ridiculous. The one time there's decent justification for Sea being on the PR, everyone complains (and he's at #10 ffs!) Go figure
Not quite true. Yes Sea played two amazing games, thats a fact. However the fact that they were so close is indicative of the skill level being relatively close. What we see here is Iris (a player no where near the CBNC list) pulling off a really really close game against sea. That means they are on comparable skill level in TvT - not that Sea is a god of all things (if that were the case he would have raped him in under 20mins). Same argument can be applied to the Jaedong game, however, Sea's control was really lacking throughout, and it was really his glaring mistakes which allowed Jaedong to stay in the game for so long and turn it into an amazing game. Once again, great game - but not something to take as "SEAS TVZ IS NO1".

The thing is, close games happen all the time at all possible skill levels. Two amazing and close games by Sea cannot demonstrate effectively that Sea is PR material. Pusan is but one player who has far exceeded Sea for this month, and i choose him as an example because i know the most about his recent games. Pusan won a very close game with Stork on Colo (this was just as Stork started to lose games, so he was still pretty much the guy to beat). This means that Pusan's PvP is pretty much PR #2 level - that's saying something (he also beat kal so w/e ). He smashed through a number of mediocre terrans relatively easily and his pvt is showing no fault from the prelims. However his PvZ is kinda lacking atm, i'll you that, and he played a close game against Kwanro on colo - given that Pusan had to comeback and win - its safe to say that pusan's pvz is much better than kwanro's zvp, but still not at a level near Kal etc (well there is no evidence to suggest that). To top that off, losing in the finals against two up and coming zergs (by.hero and maGma) doesn't really bode well for an argument for strong PvZ. With that said, he has still performed better than Sea in proleauge and is fully justified to be placed ahead of him. I'm not saying that Pusan should be #10 (he should be cbnc because of his pvz), but Sea should be ranked lower than him.


If Pusan qualified for at least 1 league i would agree that he deserves PR more then Sea .

Then again i don't think that Sea and FBH should be here from what i've seen they are not the second best terrans after Flash .

Imo Leta has been fucking killing everyone in PL like Flash and he is in both leagues so far . And i've watched Mind's games this month and they are by far the most intelligent and impressive out of all terrans . And he actually wins TvP's like Flash does ....



Edit : + Show Spoiler +
and watch his most recent game vs Fantasy just beautiful TvT if you think that Sea vs Iris was impressive , well they both were
Yea, i acknowledge that pusan shouldn't be on PR. My argument is that Pusan > Sea and pusan doesn't deserve PR so wtf is sea doing there?
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Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada542 Posts
December 16 2008 18:37 GMT
#192
Yeah, he took a year off. But I had a feeling he'd be PR #1 at least once more.
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Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
December 16 2008 21:03 GMT
#193
Mind deserves CBNC, he is playing really well in proleague lately.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
December 17 2008 07:35 GMT
#194
From last night's PL + Show Spoiler +
only in one out of six matches involving zergs did they win. go Jaedong!
Jaedong
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
December 17 2008 12:01 GMT
#195
+ Show Spoiler [OSL round 1 spoiler] +
Sea and Leta's bo3 makes me sad as a Sea fan, but happy as the writer of the Power Rank because it simplifies things immensely
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Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
December 17 2008 13:50 GMT
#196
+ Show Spoiler +
Thanks God Jaedong finally won a good match. I hope the sucking is over. JD for MSL,Bisu for OSL!

Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
December 17 2008 15:19 GMT
#197
+ Show Spoiler +
OH YEAAAAAAH!

I bet u know what I`m talkin` about
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Profile Joined January 2008
Romania191 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-17 17:42:41
December 17 2008 17:41 GMT
#198
+ Show Spoiler +
(T)Leta raped (T)Sea and confirmed what i said. Now bow infront of me. PLUS JD beating (T)Flash confirm my theory of him should be ahead of Best in PR. Go (P)Tempest! and i expect (T)Flash to pull water after (P)Bisu games in GOM
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
December 17 2008 18:36 GMT
#199
the VODs are up, you can watch now. Lecaf 3-0ed the KTF and Jaedong beated Flash confortably. That's what i was waiting for
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koreakool
Profile Joined January 2008
United States334 Posts
December 18 2008 00:34 GMT
#200
yes! terran is the home team!~
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