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It's hard to take Power Ranks seriously when there is such blatant bias. Anyone can make a biased Power Rank.
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Power Rank 12/14/2008 - Page 11
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + It's hard to take Power Ranks seriously when there is such blatant bias. Anyone can make a biased Power Rank. MVP FOR NO.10 HURRR!! | ||
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Dazed.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On December 18 2008 10:57 bubblegumbo wrote: sea definitely doesn't deserve to be in the top 10, and this is even before the + Show Spoiler + lost to leta 2-0 in the OSL It's hard to take Power Ranks seriously when there is such blatant bias. Anyone can make a biased Power Rank. MVP FOR NO.10 HURRR!! it's not biased i don't have the patience to go over this with some retard again | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
that Leta would 2-0 Sea. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On December 18 2008 11:17 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: it's not biased i don't have the patience to go over this with some retard again Sea is impossible to place when it comes to the PR, IMO. He has to be the most inconsistent top level progamer around. He has no weak MUs. His skills allow him to beat the best. But he just keep losing before he's supposed to. Heck, even Kal's more stable than Sea. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On December 18 2008 13:22 Dazed_Spy wrote: Then why waste a fucking slot with Sea on it until hes proven some degree of consistency? It's not much of an accurate depiction of a players power when you KNOW that one player will fail miserably against ANYONE when push comes to shove. because recent performance dictates ranking and sea's recent games were great obviously if sea doesn't continue playing well he falls off, but given the games played before the PR his placement was completely justified i really don't give a shit if you don't like a player, a player who earns his spot by playing well is never a waste i mean jesus christ he's fucking 10th, last place on the PR. it's not like i'm putting him at 2 or 3 and pretending he deserves it | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
He'll, when you put pure on the rank a few months ago you even specifically stated you would not dream of putting him higher because he hasn't done anything in a league. What of Sea ffs? Its not like Sea's recent games was only the good games against Jaedong and Iris, he also crashed and burned in numerous games- like against Effort- in verrry recent memory. People are bitching because you made the wrong choice in putting Sea on the PR- which is basically a theme of when you do power ranks in general tbh. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On December 18 2008 14:12 Dazed_Spy wrote: I don't dislike Sea. I just dislike Sea being considered a top ten player when he never was. His recent performances are like two or three games in PL. And thats all it EVER is, and thats all it EVER has been. No player deserves to go to fifth fucking spot like you gave Sea on numerous occasions, when they have done nothing in a big league, are known to do nothing in a big leauge, and are known to give one or two good games, and crash and burn the next day. He'll, when you put pure on the rank a few months ago you even specifically stated you would not dream of putting him higher because he hasn't done anything in a league. What of Sea ffs? Its not like Sea's recent games was only the good games against Jaedong and Iris, he also crashed and burned in numerous games- like against Effort- in verrry recent memory. People are bitching because you made the wrong choice in putting Sea on the PR- which is basically a theme of when you do power ranks in general tbh. It's a theme because people are ignorant and absolutely love to throw the word 'bias' around you also don't seem to understand this is a month-by-month rank, and Sea's 5th place was appropriate as well it would be monstrously stupid to cast a good player aside when he shows excellent gameplay just because 'he'll probably play like shit soon' | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On December 18 2008 16:39 AzureEye wrote: I think you can sort of justify Sea's 10th place by saying that Sea is in the top 3 TvZ players right now i don't really care about sea being at #1 (although I do think there are several other more deserving players, even before the loss verses leta), but being top 3 in a matchup is NEVER a valid justification for a spot on the PR. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
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Krigstar
Sweden77 Posts
On December 18 2008 15:23 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: It's a theme because people are ignorant and absolutely love to throw the word 'bias' around These are the facts: All those times Sea has been put on the list, the doubters have been right in the end. Every single time. Note that I talk about the facts here, which obviously excludes your game reading ability.. Honest question: Is there a limit to how many times we can be right and you wrong, before you start to question your ability to analyze games? I just think it's funny how you seem to be annoyed when the only thing we do is question why you treat people like me or dazed_spy like air or assholes when we merely point out the fact that you have been wrong about Sea since the beginning of time! I don't understand how YOU can talk about being clueless and "retards dont understand" when you are never right about Sea. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On December 18 2008 17:32 Krigstar wrote: These are the facts: All those times Sea has been put on the list, the doubters have been right in the end. Every single time. Note that I talk about the facts here, which obviously excludes your game reading ability.. Honest question: Is there a limit to how many times we can be right and you wrong, before you start to question your ability to analyze games? I just think it's funny how you seem to be annoyed when the only thing we do is question why you treat people like me or dazed_spy like air or assholes when we merely point out the fact that you have been wrong about Sea since the beginning of time! I don't understand how YOU can talk about being clueless and "retards dont understand" when you are never right about Sea. you don't seem to get what this rank is i'm not ranking the best ten players of all time. i'm telling you who is currently playing best. at the time this rank came out, sea was playing fucking incredible. if you disagree, you're wrong. it's that simple. you aren't 'right' when sea plays bad after being put on the rank. I'M right when he drops off the next one. You don't seem to get that I'm not predicting who's going to win starleagues here. Sea deserved his spot on this rank because HE PLAYED BETTER than anyone who isn't on this list. If you just 'disagree', you ARE wrong, because you have no idea what you're talking about. There's a lot of things that can be discussed about the Power Rank, and if you want to make a case for other players by talking about how well they have played recently (BEFORE this rank came out, apparently I have to clarify that for you stupid mongrels) you're more than welcome. If you want to come in here and say 'Leta played better because x and y', be my guest. If you want to come in here and say "HURRR FAKEYTSVTE UR BIASED???? SEA SIS A BAD PLAYERS N U DON KNOW" then you can fuck right off because I'm smarter than you are! As for my ability to analyze games, a shitload of people who know a shitload more about the game than you do can tell you how qualified I am. You don't even understand what this rank is and you're trying to tell me how to write it. That's a pretty funny joke you've got there, ha ha ha ha ha!!! | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
nobody watches the games and compares them to other games, they just see Sea and wait for him to lose so they can come in here and talk shit. well, i shouldn't say 'nobody'. Sea's placement is as debatable as anyone else's on any power rank, i'm talking specifically about the crew of drooling shit-eaters that say stuff like 'sea sux wasted pr slot uhruahurhuhr my mom and my sister are the same person' somehow the fact that every time Sea has crashed and burned in a starleague he has fallen off the power rank escapes you. you think everyone plays good all the time? then why the hell does the rest of the rank change as well? why the fuck shouldn't sea be on the rank when he plays well just because hurhruhrurr he might not play so good in 2 weeks and for the record, Sea fucking SLAUGHTERED his MSL Survivor group. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
I don't get how you can say the following two things: "i'm not ranking the best ten players of all time. i'm telling you who is currently playing best. at the time this rank came out, sea was playing fucking incredible. if you disagree, you're wrong. it's that simple." "somehow the fact that every time Sea has crashed and burned in a starleague he has fallen off the power rank escapes you. you think everyone plays good all the time? then why the hell does the rest of the rank change as well? why the fuck shouldn't sea be on the rank when he plays well just because hurhruhrurr he might not play so good in 2 weeks" When you say this in the panel next to Sea on the power rankings: "Sea is playing like a complete badass right now, but of course there's no sense putting him any higher when the looming failure of countless individual leagues behind him can be seen on the horizon as well. It's a shitty place to be for a progamer, and I'm sure we've all got our fingers crossed, willing him to succeed this time." If the "looming failure" doesn't really matter, then put him higher on the list if you think he deserves to be there. But also why is there any argument when it was brought up on the PR itself? | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
it means that despite Sea playing one of the best games by anyone in recent months against jaedong it would be senseless to place him higher. It came down to he and leta for the 10th spot, and though Leta's record is better recently, his concretely by-the-book play requires his opponents to make mistakes for him to win, and his mettle hasn't really been properly tested up until this point. though neither player ought to be put above any of the other nine players on the power rank, sea edged out leta because he simply played better starcraft it's more a statement that sea has more to prove to maintain a spot | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On December 18 2008 17:54 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: i seem to have this discussion every time sea is on the power rank nobody watches the games and compares them to other games, they just see Sea and wait for him to lose so they can come in here and talk shit. well, i shouldn't say 'nobody'. Sea's placement is as debatable as anyone else's on any power rank, i'm talking specifically about the crew of drooling shit-eaters that say stuff like 'sea sux wasted pr slot uhruahurhuhr my mom and my sister are the same person' somehow the fact that every time Sea has crashed and burned in a starleague he has fallen off the power rank escapes you. you think everyone plays good all the time? then why the hell does the rest of the rank change as well? why the fuck shouldn't sea be on the rank when he plays well just because hurhruhrurr he might not play so good in 2 weeks and for the record, Sea fucking SLAUGHTERED his MSL Survivor group. Yeah, but you didn't use MST as justification for his placement at all. If you go by PL record, he's really done nothing. Actually, the more interesting part is that Sea wasn't even in the lineup of many MBC matches, which is puzzling because he didn't have an insane amount of commitments like say, Stork or Bisu. So in the end it was just a 3-2 proleague record, 0-1 in ace match, and overall playing very few games. You can't expect people not to raise an eyebrow to that. There are definitely many players who have performance beyond that. | ||
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