EPTPower Rank 11/10/2008 - Page 23
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On November 25 2008 13:07 AnOth3rDAy wrote: Jangbi is like 13-1 since april PvZ, is free really that much stronger? I'm not a fan of jangbi haven't watched his PvZ games so i don't know how well he played, fact that he faced yarnc alot might have something to do with it, but free drops a game here and there also, some vs jaedong but some vs others aswell.. statisticly jangbi's pvz is on fire.. even if he didn't face jaedong, that kind of streak means something EDIT: Yellow arnc actually played 8-2 his latest 10 zvp if it wasn't for Jangbi. Woah, never realized this. Although some games are quite old, Yarnc still shows that ZvP is not a terrible MU for him. He can at least beat up 2nd rate tosses. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On November 25 2008 13:35 OneOther wrote: I do agree it's kind of unfair to overlook a player's PvZ because he has not played Jaedong or July lol. I mean, every other zerg is considered mediocre to bad. what is he supposed to do? exactly, its not JangBi's fault he asn't played jaedong. What else can he do than rape any other zerg that comes in his way? Therefor i don't really aprove that Free's pvz is so much better than his, it's actually hard to tell. | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 25 2008 13:54 AnOth3rDAy wrote: exactly, its not JangBi's fault he asn't played jaedong. What else can he do than rape any other zerg that comes in his way? Therefor i don't really aprove that Free's pvz is so much better than his, it's actually hard to tell. I concur. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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OneOther
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On November 25 2008 14:53 OneOther wrote: I don't remember the last time Jaedong got far ahead like that and then blowing it by sucking enormous balls. Consistent level of play my ass. He consistently makes it to the late game with an advantage and blows it. It's like saying he's good at two MUs, early and mid-game. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 25 2008 14:58 Avidkeystamper wrote: I pasted the win list to show that's exactly why Free's PvZ is better than Jangbi's. He has won against the best ZvP while Jangbi hasn't. I'm not showing why Jangbi sucks, I'm just showing that Free has done something no Protoss has EVER done in about 2 years, take a series off Jaedong.Rock is the only other protoss that has EVER done so. Hahahaha I don't think you should have included Rock in there. Only effect is that it shows beating a player once doesn't justify how good of a player he actually is. On a series note, I think what people are saying is that it's not Jangbi's fault he hasn't played Jaedong/July yet, since most people consider them to be the only Zergs that can prove someone's PvZ. Yeah, Free beating Jaedong was great, but Jangbi has been raping just as hard besides the fact that he just hasn't played Jaedong. Does this automatically put Free's PvZ above Jangbi's? I am not so sure. (Someone also mentioned Yellow[ArnC] is 8-2 in latest ZvPs excluding his games verses Jangbi, which isn't that bad at all. The fact that Jangbi is able to beat him and other Zergs so consistently shouldn't be overlooked imo.) | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 25 2008 14:59 Avidkeystamper wrote: He consistently makes it to the late game with an advantage and blows it. It's like saying he's good at two MUs, early and mid-game. No we shouldn't look at it like that. All that means is this: if he plays badly after a disadvantageous early game, then that's nowhere as bad as getting far ahead and then sucking hard enough to blow it in an ugly fashion. He's been doing the latter. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On November 25 2008 15:06 OneOther wrote: Hahahaha I don't think you should have included Rock in there. Only effect is that it shows beating a player once doesn't justify how good of a player he actually is. On a series note, I think what people are saying is that it's not Jangbi's fault he hasn't played Jaedong/July yet, since most people consider them to be the only Zergs that can prove someone's PvZ. Yeah, Free beating Jaedong was great, but Jangbi has been raping just as hard besides the fact that he just hasn't played Jaedong. Does this automatically put Free's PvZ above Jangbi's? I am not so sure. (Someone also mentioned Yellow[ArnC] is 8-2 in latest ZvPs excluding his games verses Jangbi, which isn't that bad at all. The fact that Jangbi is able to beat him and other Zergs so consistently shouldn't be overlooked imo.) I see Jangbi's situation like Best, they both use their great macro to overrun their opponents. But that doesn't work any better zergs, for that you need a understanding of the matchups, which hasn't shown itself. Again, I'm not saying he's bad, he just hasn't proven himself. I know it's not his fault, but it's like the same argument how he got a cakewalk MSL and therefore shouldn't be too high. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On November 25 2008 15:08 OneOther wrote: No we shouldn't look at it like that. All that means is this: if he plays badly after a disadvantageous early game, then that's nowhere as bad as getting far ahead and then sucking hard enough to blow it in an ugly fashion. He's been doing the latter. That's subjective, you could say then he's not good enough to even make it to the late-game, well this is only two games that he's blown a huge lead, and two of the 3 I can remember in recent history (the other against Free). I'm curious to see where this will go. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 25 2008 15:12 Avidkeystamper wrote: That's subjective, you could say then he's not good enough to even make it to the late-game, well this is only two games that he's blown a huge lead, and two of the 3 I can remember in recent history (the other against Free). I'm curious to see where this will go. What are you talking about? How is that subjective? It means everything went right for Jaedong and he managed to mess it up badly. I don't really understand your logic of "he's not good enough to make it to the late game." | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 25 2008 15:11 Avidkeystamper wrote: I see Jangbi's situation like Best, they both use their great macro to overrun their opponents. But that doesn't work any better zergs, for that you need a understanding of the matchups, which hasn't shown itself. Again, I'm not saying he's bad, he just hasn't proven himself. I know it's not his fault, but it's like the same argument how he got a cakewalk MSL and therefore shouldn't be too high. Okay I see your point. However, Jangbi is nothing like Best. Jangbi is much more technical, much more harass-oriented, and often shows more variations in strategies/builds. He reads the game well and does what he needs to do to secure the win. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On November 25 2008 15:17 OneOther wrote: What are you talking about? How is that subjective? It means everything went right for Jaedong and he managed to mess it up badly. I don't really understand your logic of "he's not good enough to make it to the late game." Blech, just remove the first sentence. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On November 25 2008 15:21 Avidkeystamper wrote: Blech, just remove the first sentence. that leaves us with: "I'm curious to see where this will go." Sorry, i just had to^^ | ||
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