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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
 anyway, kal always beat stork, and aside from that, he didn`t have a phenomenal moth: he beat jd(in a really good game, grats for him) and oversky, and lost to FBH and jangbi. Also I have to say once again, it seemed that u didn`t read my post: jd was heavily overplayed in ProLeague. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 25 2008 05:15 Jaeden wrote: OneOther, I need an honest answer: "do you dislike JD?" I guess the answer is "yes", at least from ur posts anyway, kal always beat stork, and aside from that, he didn`t have a phenomenal moth: he beat jd(in a really good game, grats for him) and oversky, and lost to FBH and jangbi. Also I have to say once again, it seemed that u didn`t read my post: jd was heavily overplayed in ProLeague. Haha you guys make it so hard for me to not post  To answer your question, I dislike Kal and Jaedong equally. So it's not favoritism that makes me think Kal should be above Jaedong. For this reason: Let's take a look at them: Kal - MSL Semifinalist (I am not taking this too much into consideration) Crucial ace match victory vs Stork Crucial ace match victory vs Jaedong Jaedong - Blows his advantage and loses vs FBH, Ace match loss. (Bad play) Blows a HUGE advantage and loses vs Kal on a ZERG FAVORED map, Ace match loss. (Terrible play) Jaedong has not been himself, no matter what you want to believe. I understand what you are saying about Jaedong being overplayed, but Kal had semifinals while JD didn't. It also doesn't justify JD getting big advantages and blowing them with terrible plays. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
Jaedong can drop to all hell for all I care, no mercy for the weak. | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
On November 25 2008 06:21 Dazed_Spy wrote: One thing that has to be said- Im not totally sure about all the rankings- but Jangbi should take Free's spot in the top 3. I really hope this was a joke. Free is a million times more better than Jangbi. He had a far more difficult road in MSL,while carrying the Woongjin Stars in the Proleague. He beat Savior in the Gom,and Savior played really awesome in those matches. He lost only to Bisu,with the same score as Jangbi,and shown incredible play in Pv T and P v Z,while Jangbi didn't really shine in any matchups. Come on,you can't consider beating Yarnc 5 times an impressive feat. Neither is beating Kal,Kal is not that good in the matchup. I know,people will come back at me that,"How dare you say that,he beat Stork I don't know how many times". I don't give a fuck. He lost to Backho and played shit against Jangbi. So to sum it all up,I apologise for writing such a long post about an obvious joke and I know I don't have a good sense of humour. | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
1. Stork 2. Bisu 3. Flash (9-1 in his last 10) 4. Free 5. Best | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On November 25 2008 06:52 Darth Peter wrote: Free had a hard opponnent in Jaedong, who gave him the third game. Otherwise their MSL's were identical in difficulity- except that Jangbi went to that final stage, and free did not. Jangbi also looked GOOD against Bisu, while free did not. I really hope this was a joke. Free is a million times more better than Jangbi. He had a far more difficult road in MSL, On November 25 2008 06:52 Darth Peter wrote:while carrying the Woongjin Stars in the Proleague. Jangbi has done nothing for Khan in PL, your totally right...On November 25 2008 06:52 Darth Peter wrote: He beat Savior in the Gom,and Savior played really awesome in those matches. He lost only to Bisu,with the same score as Jangbi,and shown incredible play in Pv T and P v Z,while Jangbi didn't really shine in any matchups. Yeah 65% in pvt and 61% in pvz...Jangbi is such a newb, hes got like no good match ups. Right? Are you fucking dumb buddy? Jangbi is hot as hell in all match ups, and just dismantled Iris straight after losing in the finals, with virtually no preparation. Jangbi has some of the best pvt and pvz out there, and hes far more capable than Free is in pvp. On November 25 2008 06:52 Darth Peter wrote:Come on,you can't consider beating Yarnc 5 times an impressive feat. And beating Nada four times is?On November 25 2008 06:52 Darth Peter wrote: Neither is beating Kal,Kal is not that good in the matchup. I know,people will come back at me that,"How dare you say that,he beat Stork I don't know how many times". I don't give a fuck. He lost to Backho and played shit against Jangbi. Kal is inconsistent. He played bad. That doesn't mean Jangbi didn't play REALLY good. Hell Nada played like total ass in Free's quarter finals, Jaedong played like ass in game 1 and 3 against Free. Are you kidding me? On November 25 2008 06:52 Darth Peter wrote: So to sum it all up,I apologise for writing such a long post about an obvious joke and I know I don't have a good sense of humour. LOL. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
oh and flash doesn`t deserve #3, idontcare what`s his record in proleague EDIT: maybe Pusan should be #3, 7-1 in proleague, eh ? | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On November 25 2008 06:52 Darth Peter wrote: I really hope this was a joke. Free is a million times more better than Jangbi. He had a far more difficult road in MSL,while carrying the Woongjin Stars in the Proleague. He beat Savior in the Gom,and Savior played really awesome in those matches. He lost only to Bisu,with the same score as Jangbi,and shown incredible play in Pv T and P v Z,while Jangbi didn't really shine in any matchups. Come on,you can't consider beating Yarnc 5 times an impressive feat. Neither is beating Kal,Kal is not that good in the matchup. I know,people will come back at me that,"How dare you say that,he beat Stork I don't know how many times". I don't give a fuck. He lost to Backho and played shit against Jangbi. So to sum it all up,I apologise for writing such a long post about an obvious joke and I know I don't have a good sense of humour. Jangbi is better than Free at PvT. I would give PvZ to Free. They are even at PvP. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On November 25 2008 08:55 OneOther wrote: Jangbi is better than Free at PvT. The rest are too close. free is better than jangbi PvZ -in 6 months free lost PvZs just to JD ( and one to savior at WCG ) | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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disciple
9070 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
suuuucks | ||
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TarsTarkas
United States169 Posts
On Topic - I would say the Free should be ranked higher than JangBi, even though I think their games are pretty much dead even. Why, you ask? Free has been put into high pressure situations (ace matches) and repeatedly prevailed. JangBi has done well in proleague too, but Free has literally carried his team. When a team is playing against KHAN, they are afraid because KHAN is good. When a team plays against the Stars, they are afraid of Free. | ||
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blue_arrow
1971 Posts
On November 25 2008 09:21 OneOther wrote: SAT II U.S. History + IB Extended Essay suuuucks ahhhhhhh you're a IB diploma student right? what's ur essay topic? | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On November 25 2008 00:35 AnOth3rDAy wrote: you wont make it! :O | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On November 25 2008 10:05 TarsTarkas wrote: k, if you just agreed that Jangbi and free are even, you agree that the other team is as afraid of Khan because of Jangbi as they are afraid of the Stars because of Free, if it wasn't for the fact that facing Jangbi in ace is not a certainty, while facing free is, due to the Stars lacking proper depth. In effect, you made no point but a comment on the effectiveness of each team.dont worry, the US history SAT is ridiculously easy - I never studied in high school and got a perfect score on it. The IB essay though... thats not fun at all :-( On Topic - I would say the Free should be ranked higher than JangBi, even though I think their games are pretty much dead even. Why, you ask? Free has been put into high pressure situations (ace matches) and repeatedly prevailed. JangBi has done well in proleague too, but Free has literally carried his team. When a team is playing against KHAN, they are afraid because KHAN is good. When a team plays against the Stars, they are afraid of Free. As to high pressure situations- whats more high pressure, ace matches on the finals of the MSL? I think it goes without saying... Edit: I would agree that Jangbi pvt> Free pvt, Free pvz> Jangbi pvz. I think Jangbi's pvz is a lot closer to Free's, than Free's pvt is to Jangbi's however. I also have no faith whatsoever in Free's pvp. He he was a on a six game loss streak not long ago, since then all hes done is beat tt [yay?] and lose to Bisu. He won a PL match against him, so that IS a positive sign, and means that his pvp may get into good fashion, but its simply undeniable that Free's pvp hit a sharp decline two months ago, and we can not be fully confident in its return. Jangbi is statistically similar, and even had the same result against Bisu, but I think its a different situation. Jangbi's pvp has been going upwards rapidly [he had something like a 67% record after his first semi final against kal in between his final against Bisu], and he showed very strong standard, long game pvp against Bisu. Jangbi lost to risky manuvers, which are fine by Bisu's behalf, but the result in unfavorably skewed against Jangbi as a result of it. Free lost 1-3 in standard games, where he was outplayed. Same cant be said for Jangbi. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
I'm not a fan of jangbi haven't watched his PvZ games so i don't know how well he played, fact that he faced yarnc alot might have something to do with it, but free drops a game here and there also, some vs jaedong but some vs others aswell.. statisticly jangbi's pvz is on fire.. even if he didn't face jaedong, that kind of streak means something EDIT: Yellow arnc actually played 8-2 his latest 10 zvp if it wasn't for Jangbi. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
+ 08-11-01 ClubDay 2008 MSL Byzantium 2 YellOw[ArnC] Win + 08-11-01 ClubDay 2008 MSL Destination YellOw[ArnC] Win + 08-10-27 Shinhan Proleague .. Andromeda hyvaa Loss + 08-10-07 Shinhan Proleague .. Medusa YellOw[ArnC] Win + 08-09-25 ClubDay 2008 MSL Destination YellOw[ArnC] Win + 08-08-14 MBC Survivor 15th Byzantium Shark Win + 08-08-14 MBC Survivor 15th Athena ZergBOy Win + 08-08-01 WCG2008 Korea Othello YellOw[ArnC] Win + 08-08-01 WCG2008 Korea Andromeda YellOw[ArnC] Win + 08-06-30 Shinhan08 Proleague Blue Storm maGma Win + 08-05-26 Shinhan08 Proleague Wuthering Heights Calm Win + 08-05-11 Shinhan08 Proleague Colosseum Shark Win + 08-04-27 Shinhan08 Proleague Blue Storm GoRush Win All his wins are against 2nd-rate zergs except Calm and Yarnc. But Yarncs ZvP is just dreadful, so it's no really that impressive, he just overran them with macro. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On November 25 2008 13:13 Avidkeystamper wrote: Uh...outside of Jaedong and July, Jangbi just about beat the entire Zerg race. Is it his fault the Zerg race is now, and always has been, weak save a few individuals who play extremely well? Jangbi played very strong in all of these games, and as sad as it is- calm, shark, magma, yellow, even Gorush...these are what the Zerg has race to offer outside of Jaedong. Free went up against similar opponents and took defeats. He also lost to, and beat, better players [jaedong]. So Im not trying to make a case against Free, im simply saying that these players are what all Protoss face, and the results are therefore valid.+ 08-11-01 ClubDay 2008 MSL Medusa YellOw[ArnC] Win + 08-11-01 ClubDay 2008 MSL Byzantium 2 YellOw[ArnC] Win + 08-11-01 ClubDay 2008 MSL Destination YellOw[ArnC] Win + 08-10-27 Shinhan Proleague .. Andromeda hyvaa Loss + 08-10-07 Shinhan Proleague .. Medusa YellOw[ArnC] Win + 08-09-25 ClubDay 2008 MSL Destination YellOw[ArnC] Win + 08-08-14 MBC Survivor 15th Byzantium Shark Win + 08-08-14 MBC Survivor 15th Athena ZergBOy Win + 08-08-01 WCG2008 Korea Othello YellOw[ArnC] Win + 08-08-01 WCG2008 Korea Andromeda YellOw[ArnC] Win + 08-06-30 Shinhan08 Proleague Blue Storm maGma Win + 08-05-26 Shinhan08 Proleague Wuthering Heights Calm Win + 08-05-11 Shinhan08 Proleague Colosseum Shark Win + 08-04-27 Shinhan08 Proleague Blue Storm GoRush Win All his wins are against 2nd-rate zergs except Calm and Yarnc. But Yarncs ZvP is just dreadful, so it's no really that impressive, he just overran them with macro. + 08-11-09 GOM Classic Season 2 Medusa (Z)Calm Win + 08-11-09 GOM Classic Season 2 ( Neo Requiem (Z)Calm Loss + 08-11-09 GOM Classic Season 2 Destination (Z)Calm Win + 08-11-04 Shinhan Proleague .. Destination (Z)Luxury Win + 08-10-19 Shinhan Proleague .. Colosseum II (Z)by.hero Win + 08-10-12 GOM Classic Season 2 Destination (Z)Devil Win + 08-10-12 GOM Classic Season 2 Chupung-Ryeong (Z)Devil Win + 08-10-04 Shinhan Proleague .. Andromeda (Z)oDin Win + 08-09-28 Incruit 2008 OSL Medusa (Z)July Win + 08-09-17 Incruit 2008 OSL Chupung-Ryeong (Z)July Loss Bisu's last ten pvz. Excluding July none of these players have good zvp. Calm isnt terrible, Luxury's isn't terrible, but they are by no means comparable to the giants Bisu may face in pvt or pvp. Same thing could be found for virtually any protoss. | ||
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