EPTPower Rank 11/21/2006 - Page 10
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ThePhan2m
Norway2751 Posts
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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jeddus
United States832 Posts
On November 22 2006 14:53 Plexa wrote: im sorry etter.. i dont think anytime had the harder bracket... In the group stages he lost MISERABLY to midas in disgusting fashion... He beat a really sloppy looking julyzerg... And played an abismal game against casy (which he only won because casy was cursed imo)... Then in Ro16 he beat the onfire GGplay.. HOWEVER, GGplay looked very very average in comparison to his other games around that time, and even saying that... his dominance kinda died down alot last month.. Then against Gorush, anytime did play well, but i still wasnt convinced of anything becasue gorush has had a history of losing recently... Against Midas, he SHOULD have lost the 4th set, but midas is a choke artist - basicly gifting him passage to the final where... he lost  Nada however, went 3-0 in his group beating out Jy, Light and Zergman.. all fearsome gamers (maybe not zergman hehe) Nada then had to go through the ever cheesing TT- ie one mistake and it could be all over... Nada then 2-0 zergman, who isnt exactly useless... Nada then 3-0 Goodfriend who played very substandard but still was no push over Nada then beat anytime 3-2 I refuse to beleive anytime had the harder bracket.. by looking at the names yes he did, but looking at each game he didnt.. Just my opinon... i also think gorish/gpplay is too high... Gorush hasnt been convincing at all recently and there are a number of gamers that could be there in his spot... like GF who is on a p killing rampage.. and ggplay deserves to be on the list, but his dominance is over.. The reason you rate GoRush and GGPlay on the Top 10 is so you can say "Anytime beat two top 10 players on his way to the finals." Its the sports politician tactic to justify your man getting higher...I mean, you have people getting ranked lower for the same reasons some people are being ranked higher. But as always, it is just opinion. I would rank NaDa higher than Anytime because NaDa beat him in the biggest game of that league, while coming off of the SuperFight II also...not to mention he just had schooled GoodFriend in his best matchup, and in the end he had something no other gamer had: The Golden Mouse, therefore making NaDa hotter "at this moment" and stealing Anytime's steam. I like the idea of Anytime being "lower ranked" just because it adds to his "cool factor" of being the underdog who would be the long shot at winning the finals, and he overcame many obstacles to get there. Hell, even losing the finals 3-2 shows how game he is. You can be ranked lower and still be a cooler gamer than one he simply is higher ranked. NaDa plowed through the StarLeague, on the stats connected to these rankings he has a better win percentage, but in the author's eyes Anytime is cooler and is higher up due to his cool factor and his ability to overcome the obstacles. This is a good feature and is very thought provoking. I still like Hot_Bid's Batman begins, Matrix, whatever spoof the best though. Edit: And beat Midas too, so that's 3 top 10. | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
tfeign talked about chojja because dj called him the most overrated pro ever and not because he isn't on the list. and tfeign is pretty much right as i hate to admit it. Not to mention Chojja, who's been #1 on the Kespa ranking for months and is still holding the #2 spot, is nowhere on the list. Seems like it to me? :S | ||
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Protoss-Fighting
United States814 Posts
pleeeeease =] | ||
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puLs.ReADy
Bulgaria1301 Posts
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Vin{MBL}
5185 Posts
On November 25 2006 02:22 puLs.ReADy wrote: Silver is very good player.I don`t think he sux in zvt. Yea he lost few times zvt and it`s not his best mu but he isn`t bad. I have watched many zvt of him and he is very nice player.And when I start thinking more I come to the decision that he deserves spot in top 6-10... Yes he make it into the final winning only zvp with his unique ling+hydras style...but don`t you think this is strange? he keep winning all protoss with the same strategy ? and he did surprise all with his 2th place , noone expected this. hmmm are you trying to say someone is match fixing? | ||
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Yaqoob
Canada3354 Posts
On November 25 2006 19:32 vinsc wrote: hmmm are you trying to say someone is match fixing? He means: It is strange that if he isn't a very good player that he is beating all the protoss players with the same strategy... | ||
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racebannon
Canada1225 Posts
One persons entirely arbitrary list of who he thinks are the best players. I just don't understand the point but to incite arguments over who deserves to be there and who doesn't. When the reality is doesn't matter at all because it's one persons random list of who he thinks is good and who isn't. At the end of the day why the fuck should anyone care who is on this particular list? It doesn't represent a majority opinion nor is the list created in an unbiased mathematical format like KeSPA If there's some desire for a "tl top 10" why not make it some sort of voting where peoples opinions have a say or if etter wants some front page contribution for the site why not make a non numbered list of "players to watch" and reasons why. Ranking players is just such a bad idea when you have no real qualifications or system to do it and the fact that you have to keep backtracking and explaining this list makes me think this was indeed poorly thought out. | ||
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
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racebannon
Canada1225 Posts
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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well_made
Korea (South)4 Posts
here's a new one 1. nada 2.savior 3. anytime 4. iloveoov 5. midas 6. goodfriend 7.gorush 8 nalra 9. xellos 10. july | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On November 26 2006 08:55 racebannon wrote: Is it me or is this just a horribly concieved idea for a front page "feature" One persons entirely arbitrary list of who he thinks are the best players. I just don't understand the point but to incite arguments over who deserves to be there and who doesn't. When the reality is doesn't matter at all because it's one persons random list of who he thinks is good and who isn't. At the end of the day why the fuck should anyone care who is on this particular list? It doesn't represent a majority opinion nor is the list created in an unbiased mathematical format like KeSPA If there's some desire for a "tl top 10" why not make it some sort of voting where peoples opinions have a say or if etter wants some front page contribution for the site why not make a non numbered list of "players to watch" and reasons why. Ranking players is just such a bad idea when you have no real qualifications or system to do it and the fact that you have to keep backtracking and explaining this list makes me think this was indeed poorly thought out. his qualifications are that he closely follows progaming and has an opinion, one that is likely more informed than most people here. i'd rather hear that opinion and possibly disagree than read some stupid 80% boxer poll where clueless users vote for whoever they like. a tl top 10 would be a "horribly conceived" idea that is useless. we need more coverage and opinionated coverage. yes his choices are controversial and i disagree with some of them. but that's what makes it a column, and thats what makes him an analyst. if you follow any sport, all media is biased, but you still read anyway. i don't see him backtracking at all, i don't know where you got that. yes he wrote the longer explanations later on, but those will be included with the main post for the second time he writes the rankings. one of the main things we're missing is the korean coverage where they have tons of analysts and informed experts writing opinionated columns about progamers and the scene. a "TL Top 10" would be horrible and stupid, with no actual content. why not just make a poll "which is your favorite progamer?" and look at the results, it'd effectively be the same. just look at some of the responses, "where is chojja?" or "where is iloveoov?" you're allowed to disagree, just because you do doesn't mean it's a "horribly conceived" feature. | ||
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racebannon
Canada1225 Posts
But so long as I'm allowed to disagree while not maintaining my dissenting opinion of it being poorly/not thought out then we're all happy right he downloads vods so he joins the ranks of the korean analysts and informed experts? How many of these awesome columns from korean writers do you read? How many of them have the author coming back and trying to explain what he wrote and why? If this can't stand on its own without him constantly coming back and trying to justify what he is writing then it's poorly conceived and/or executed. I mean it's a list of fucking names and "DON'T GO THERE SISTAH" for reasons for those names being there. it's a garbage/flake contribution that's just going to incite petty bickering amongst the fanboys and bandwagoners If the reason behind it is for etter to have some worthwhile contribution to the website then some sort of celebrity teen mag style whos hot whos not!! list would be far more interesting if he actually had things to say about the players, there's lots that could be done that isn't a simple subjective list of names that will only be taken over anyone elses list because it's got its own cute little table on the main page. just fyi I am an informed expert on being awesome can I have a weekly column to write about it. And that's the racebannon POWER WORD | ||
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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tae
United States101 Posts
On November 22 2006 13:00 Hot_Bid wrote: let me tell you a story about the protoss user. the protoss user is cerebral. the protoss has no easy matchups. the protoss user walks a lonely road, the only one that he has ever known. the protoss user turns his face into the wind and walks with purpose. the protoss user is a snail, crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight razor to victory, and surviving. he does not try to bend the imbalanced ZvP matchup. that's impossible. instead, the protoss user must realize the truth: that there is no matchup. it is not the matchup that is imbalanced, only himself. the protoss user must learn to bury the unfairness with anger. the protoss user must confront it and face the truth. the protoss user knows how to fight with 12 units, he must learn how to engage twelve hundred. the protoss user knows how to disappear, he must learn how to become truly invisible. the protoss user understands that invisibility is a matter of patience, and creativity. the protoss user always minds his surroundings. the ordinary progamer is just a man, lost in the scramble for his own gratification. he can be defeated, destroyed. to win, the protoss user must become more than just a man. if he can convince himself of the truth--then he can become something else entirely: a legend. Is that a mix of Green Day, The Matrix, and Batman Begins? | ||
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Beamo
France1279 Posts
On November 26 2006 15:34 Jathin wrote: Yep, mindless fanboi. The highlighted names have not performed well in the past few months. They're good and were incredible in their primes but as of late they have not been performing well. Edit: Except GoodFriend who got relatively far in the OSL, but undeservingly according to his play in the last OSL. Xellos also got pretty far in MSL, but I agree he shouldn't be in top 10 | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27172 Posts
On November 26 2006 14:54 racebannon wrote: Who says the top 10 has to be based on all pro gamers ever, why not make it based on the current KESPA rankings. There's a million ways to stimulate conversation of who is the best that isn't a single persons opinion or a retarded progamer popularity contest. Tie it into liquibet somehow, how many points players make for people etc. But so long as I'm allowed to disagree while not maintaining my dissenting opinion of it being poorly/not thought out then we're all happy right he downloads vods so he joins the ranks of the korean analysts and informed experts? How many of these awesome columns from korean writers do you read? How many of them have the author coming back and trying to explain what he wrote and why? If this can't stand on its own without him constantly coming back and trying to justify what he is writing then it's poorly conceived and/or executed. I mean it's a list of fucking names and "DON'T GO THERE SISTAH" for reasons for those names being there. it's a garbage/flake contribution that's just going to incite petty bickering amongst the fanboys and bandwagoners If the reason behind it is for etter to have some worthwhile contribution to the website then some sort of celebrity teen mag style whos hot whos not!! list would be far more interesting if he actually had things to say about the players, there's lots that could be done that isn't a simple subjective list of names that will only be taken over anyone elses list because it's got its own cute little table on the main page. just fyi I am an informed expert on being awesome can I have a weekly column to write about it. And that's the racebannon POWER WORD Follow sports much? There is an endless supply of column writers every day, writing about their opinions on their respective sports. They are given the exposure, because they are considered to be knowledgable in their fields. Etter is exactly the same. His job is to give his opinion on who is playing well right now, and who isn't. Of course, anybvody can do the same thing on this forum. Why was he given a "cute table" and front page exposure? Because he knows more than you, or you, or almost anybody else. I can go write about hockey, but people go and read what McKenzie writes because he is considered an authority on the subject. Anybody else can give their list about who their top 10 is, but I will read Etter's, because he knows what he is talking about. The reason he has had to go back and explain it, it because this concept was mind-numbingly confusing for numerous people here, who consider themselves to be progaming guru's. Well, they aren't. Why do you think DJ was chosen? It wasn't by accident. However, that isn't to say this is a perfect process. This was actually an old old feature designed for mensrea to write up his list. Had mensrea written it, nobody would have questioned it at all, because he was considered to be very in touch with the scene. An authority. Our muistake was not easing Etter into the role and establishing him as an authority before giving the column to him. That being said, anyone who is actually following the game seriously, and reads the tournament section regularily, will know that DJ writes some of the most insightful and accurate posts of anyone. Thus, he got the job. | ||
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