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On November 22 2006 12:36 DJEtterStyle wrote:
Jaedong is not on the list not because I'm unaware of him or because I don't think he's currently on fire. He's not on the list because he hasn't done anything--yet. A bunch of Proleague wins and making an MSL is nice, but it's not enough to warrant placing him among players who have performed well against the very stiffest of competition. If Jaedong makes the OSL and/or wins a few games in a Starleague, that's when I'll say, "Yes, yes, yes," but as of right now, it just feels premature. We all saw what happened with Canata. He made both Starleagues and everyone was hailing him as the second coming of Jesus himself... and then he went 0-3, losing to one member of every race. The same policy of "show me something" applies to Free[gm]. I've got my eye on him, but I need more than a feeling to put him in such elite company.
I agree with that (you can also add Much[gm] to the list of new players to follow). Getting into starleague is one thing (even if you had to take a big name out). Playing in it is an other. It's not the same pressure and every game you'll only be facing a big name who'll be way more prepared for it.
Placing Anytime in front of Nada is a controvercial judgement but you back it off pretty well so I agree.
I really hope it won't be like last year where he also had an amasing bracket (Xellos, Oov and Boxer), he managed to win the whole thing and then just disapeared for a year. He's doing well in proleague and managed to qualify for MSL survivor so as they say : I believe !! 
Sea and GGplay don't belong so high. (would lower Sea to 10th and remove GGplay to replace by GF or Silver)
Nice feature to follow
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On November 23 2006 00:45 Vo- wrote:
Anytime out-played NaDa. No debate. Period.
Contribute something good or stfu.
How can you out play someone if you lose to him 3:2 ?
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Game 1 was a good game, which could have gone in NaDa's favour if he didnt play too cocky ( no turrets at all ).
Game 2 was perfect counter play by NaDa and he won with 2 expos where as toss had none ..
Game 3 was just sick play from NaDa and not so good anytime
Game 4 NaDa just lost and it looked like he couldnt do that much to avoid it..
Game 5 was actually a out- played anytime, who lost vs a stunning macro and micro machine ( timing machine ! ) NaDa
dont tell me Anytime out played NaDa, if anytime LOST. It's not possible..
Still you can put anytime 2nd and naDa 3rd, but not with that STUPID explaination..
T_T
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[On] November 22 2006 23:39 tfeign wrote:
The fact is, out of the all the players you have up in the ranking, only NADA and MIDAS are the only players who qualified for both leagues.
I agree with most of your points, mainly with Nada >>>> Anytime.
But in the paragraph above you make a mistake - there is one more pro qualified for both leagues, not just Nada and Midas - Jju. I think Jju must be higher too - made it out from the groups and lost from Midas in OSL and semifinalist in MSL.
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I agree with tfeign that this feature does seem like a joke (literally). Like students are supposed to watch Colbert Report/Daily Show and then have an intelligent, serious conversation about politics. It's possible, since there's some actual content, but why would you want to? Get the official opinion (KESPA) from people who realize the gravity of their decisions (seeds, salaries, honor) and have thusly devised the best system they could, no jokes attached, and start discussion from there. You could even have DJEtterStyle's response be the first so that the feature still has a staff author providing opinions, but let the discussion proceed such that people discern the KESPA rankings instead of the "Power Rank".
I think tfeign has already demonstrated that DJEtterStyle's opinions are logically inconsistent -- that while he has the right to weight certain aspects of progaming more than others, he does so on a player-to-player basis which makes it seem that his decisions are somewhat pre-determined. For example, his emphases on qualifying for only one league or ignoring proleague performance are sometimes present and sometimes not.
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Srry Jathin but some things you say are simply wrong.
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On November 22 2006 23:39 tfeign wrote:This list is nothing more than what seems like a joke for Jetterstyle to parade around his favorite players. From what I see, this power ranking is a disgrace compared to the Kespa rankings. Some of the picks in this list is ridiculous. Anytime above Nada = laugh. I guess having a 10+ winning streak vs zerg, 3-0 Reach in Superfight main event, going far in MSL while placing #1 in OSL in the same seasons, and winning the first ever golden mouse isn't as good as some #2 OSL toss who hasn't done anything in a year, with nothing accomplished in MSL. Sea[shield] top 5 = disgusting. He's doesn't even belong in top 10, let alone top 5. He has done absolutely nothing that warrants him a higher spot than guys like Nal_rA, Jju, and others. GGPlay #6 = outrageous. Show nested quote +GGPlay is one of the only bright spots on the Hanbit Proleague roster, providing his team with numerous victories in what would have otherwise been dismal performances Show nested quote +Argue with this pick all you want, but GGPlay has shown flat-out amazing ZvT and ZvZ as of late. There’s no shame in losing to Anytime 1-2. He’s also anchored his team in the Proleague for a very long time. While guys like Silver is nowhere on the list; who, conveniently, is the MVP of Proleague. Proleague-performance-wise, Silver is miles ahead of GGPlay. Individual-league-performance-wise, he leaves GGPlay far in the dust. Oh well, I guess being MVP of Proleague and winning top 2 MSL gets less attention than a guy who has accomplished nothing in individual league and far less in proleague as of late. Gorush #7 is another out-of-nowhere pick. #7 for getting to ro8? There are literally a ton of guys who have accomplished the same thing, plus more, in recent memories. Yet no where mentioned. Bisu - Read above [Gorush] And Nal_rA, gosh, where do I even start. Show nested quote +Nal_Ra – This is my final controversial choice, but I’m going to ask you to cast aside your love for all things cheesy for just a moment and consider a few things: Ra would have been eliminated from his MSL group if Boxer had not had to go into the military. Ra did not make the last OSL. Ra cannot qualify for the coming OSL. KTF is in last place in the Proleague. Making it into the semifinals of the MSL by virtue of a gift and losing 1-3 to Savior is nice and all, but putting him any higher than #9 would be an affront to all the players that have qualified for multiple leagues and actually advanced by virtue of their own merit. So what if rA only qualified for 1 league? IPXzerg, your #1 player, never qualified for the last OSL, or the last last OSL, or the last last last OSL, or the last whatever number of OSLs there has been.... Anytime, your #2 player, never qualfied for the last MSL, or the last last MSL, or the last whatever number of MSLs there has been... You bring up nal_ra qualifying for one league but not another as a sign of his weakness. The fact is, out of the all the players you have up in the ranking, only NADA and MIDAS are the only players who qualified for both leagues. You blame KTF's bad placement in Proleague on rA? ...sigh......do you just look at KTF's bad placement in Proleague and just automatically blame it on rA? I mean seriously, what is this? rA hasn't played a single game for KTF in this Proleague season since their first ever series with MBC. KTF's bad placement in Proleague has nothing to do with Nal_rA Here are the facts: Nal_rA placed top 2 in the last MSL, while going far into OSL during same season. He made to the semifinals of the current MSL. The only player to have stopped rA from either advancing to the final or winning whole the league possibly two times in a row has been 1 name: Savior, the unbeatable zvp of all zerg. What if guys like Anytime were put in the same situation where they had to beat Savior in a bo5 in order to advance in OSL? Not to mention Chojja, who's been #1 on the Kespa ranking for months and is still holding the #2 spot, is nowhere on the list. Show nested quote +Chojja - You are the most overrated progamer ever. Give me a ring when you a) start winning and b) crack the five-foot barrier. And don't cheat and use a phonebook I'm sorry, but you don't hold the #1 spot on Kespa for months and still retaining top 2 without winning a fuckload of games. No offense, but this power ranking list is complete joke as I see it. The Kespa ranking miles and miles ahead more accurate. I really don't see the point of having this list for a TL member to freely rank with his own biased views. If I want to see who's hot and who's not, I look at the Kespa rankings. This power ranking is so inaccurate in comparison to the official Kespa I can't see any reason why it's needed. There are so much stuff on there that's put in solely based by bias, player favoritism, lack of sense, and etc. Players here are getting unfair recognition due to bias. If TL really wants a power ranking, put up the top 10 Kespa players on there, and its members can discuss about the top 10 official players with their comments underneath. Best way to do it.
lol djetter got owned
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LET THE TRAIN WRECK CONTINUE - I'm addicted to the "logic" this thread provides!
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On November 23 2006 10:44 Aca wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2006 23:39 tfeign wrote:This list is nothing more than what seems like a joke for Jetterstyle to parade around his favorite players. From what I see, this power ranking is a disgrace compared to the Kespa rankings. Some of the picks in this list is ridiculous. Anytime above Nada = laugh. I guess having a 10+ winning streak vs zerg, 3-0 Reach in Superfight main event, going far in MSL while placing #1 in OSL in the same seasons, and winning the first ever golden mouse isn't as good as some #2 OSL toss who hasn't done anything in a year, with nothing accomplished in MSL. Sea[shield] top 5 = disgusting. He's doesn't even belong in top 10, let alone top 5. He has done absolutely nothing that warrants him a higher spot than guys like Nal_rA, Jju, and others. GGPlay #6 = outrageous. GGPlay is one of the only bright spots on the Hanbit Proleague roster, providing his team with numerous victories in what would have otherwise been dismal performances Argue with this pick all you want, but GGPlay has shown flat-out amazing ZvT and ZvZ as of late. There’s no shame in losing to Anytime 1-2. He’s also anchored his team in the Proleague for a very long time. While guys like Silver is nowhere on the list; who, conveniently, is the MVP of Proleague. Proleague-performance-wise, Silver is miles ahead of GGPlay. Individual-league-performance-wise, he leaves GGPlay far in the dust. Oh well, I guess being MVP of Proleague and winning top 2 MSL gets less attention than a guy who has accomplished nothing in individual league and far less in proleague as of late. Gorush #7 is another out-of-nowhere pick. #7 for getting to ro8? There are literally a ton of guys who have accomplished the same thing, plus more, in recent memories. Yet no where mentioned. Bisu - Read above [Gorush] And Nal_rA, gosh, where do I even start. Nal_Ra – This is my final controversial choice, but I’m going to ask you to cast aside your love for all things cheesy for just a moment and consider a few things: Ra would have been eliminated from his MSL group if Boxer had not had to go into the military. Ra did not make the last OSL. Ra cannot qualify for the coming OSL. KTF is in last place in the Proleague. Making it into the semifinals of the MSL by virtue of a gift and losing 1-3 to Savior is nice and all, but putting him any higher than #9 would be an affront to all the players that have qualified for multiple leagues and actually advanced by virtue of their own merit. So what if rA only qualified for 1 league? IPXzerg, your #1 player, never qualified for the last OSL, or the last last OSL, or the last last last OSL, or the last whatever number of OSLs there has been.... Anytime, your #2 player, never qualfied for the last MSL, or the last last MSL, or the last whatever number of MSLs there has been... You bring up nal_ra qualifying for one league but not another as a sign of his weakness. The fact is, out of the all the players you have up in the ranking, only NADA and MIDAS are the only players who qualified for both leagues. You blame KTF's bad placement in Proleague on rA? ...sigh......do you just look at KTF's bad placement in Proleague and just automatically blame it on rA? I mean seriously, what is this? rA hasn't played a single game for KTF in this Proleague season since their first ever series with MBC. KTF's bad placement in Proleague has nothing to do with Nal_rA Here are the facts: Nal_rA placed top 2 in the last MSL, while going far into OSL during same season. He made to the semifinals of the current MSL. The only player to have stopped rA from either advancing to the final or winning whole the league possibly two times in a row has been 1 name: Savior, the unbeatable zvp of all zerg. What if guys like Anytime were put in the same situation where they had to beat Savior in a bo5 in order to advance in OSL? Not to mention Chojja, who's been #1 on the Kespa ranking for months and is still holding the #2 spot, is nowhere on the list. Chojja - You are the most overrated progamer ever. Give me a ring when you a) start winning and b) crack the five-foot barrier. And don't cheat and use a phonebook I'm sorry, but you don't hold the #1 spot on Kespa for months and still retaining top 2 without winning a fuckload of games. No offense, but this power ranking list is complete joke as I see it. The Kespa ranking miles and miles ahead more accurate. I really don't see the point of having this list for a TL member to freely rank with his own biased views. If I want to see who's hot and who's not, I look at the Kespa rankings. This power ranking is so inaccurate in comparison to the official Kespa I can't see any reason why it's needed. There are so much stuff on there that's put in solely based by bias, player favoritism, lack of sense, and etc. Players here are getting unfair recognition due to bias. If TL really wants a power ranking, put up the top 10 Kespa players on there, and its members can discuss about the top 10 official players with their comments underneath. Best way to do it. lol djetter got owned
No, he didn't. Everyone around here knows about tfeign's hissy fits if anyone disagrees with him, let alone not put ChoJJa on a power rank list.
To Tfeign, Read: This is a power rankings list, who is hot right now, and who isn't. ChoJJa isn't hot, he hasn't performed well AT ALL since the last OSL.
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On November 23 2006 10:44 Aca wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2006 23:39 tfeign wrote:This list is nothing more than what seems like a joke for Jetterstyle to parade around his favorite players. From what I see, this power ranking is a disgrace compared to the Kespa rankings. Some of the picks in this list is ridiculous. Anytime above Nada = laugh. I guess having a 10+ winning streak vs zerg, 3-0 Reach in Superfight main event, going far in MSL while placing #1 in OSL in the same seasons, and winning the first ever golden mouse isn't as good as some #2 OSL toss who hasn't done anything in a year, with nothing accomplished in MSL. Sea[shield] top 5 = disgusting. He's doesn't even belong in top 10, let alone top 5. He has done absolutely nothing that warrants him a higher spot than guys like Nal_rA, Jju, and others. GGPlay #6 = outrageous. GGPlay is one of the only bright spots on the Hanbit Proleague roster, providing his team with numerous victories in what would have otherwise been dismal performances Argue with this pick all you want, but GGPlay has shown flat-out amazing ZvT and ZvZ as of late. There’s no shame in losing to Anytime 1-2. He’s also anchored his team in the Proleague for a very long time. While guys like Silver is nowhere on the list; who, conveniently, is the MVP of Proleague. Proleague-performance-wise, Silver is miles ahead of GGPlay. Individual-league-performance-wise, he leaves GGPlay far in the dust. Oh well, I guess being MVP of Proleague and winning top 2 MSL gets less attention than a guy who has accomplished nothing in individual league and far less in proleague as of late. Gorush #7 is another out-of-nowhere pick. #7 for getting to ro8? There are literally a ton of guys who have accomplished the same thing, plus more, in recent memories. Yet no where mentioned. Bisu - Read above [Gorush] And Nal_rA, gosh, where do I even start. Nal_Ra – This is my final controversial choice, but I’m going to ask you to cast aside your love for all things cheesy for just a moment and consider a few things: Ra would have been eliminated from his MSL group if Boxer had not had to go into the military. Ra did not make the last OSL. Ra cannot qualify for the coming OSL. KTF is in last place in the Proleague. Making it into the semifinals of the MSL by virtue of a gift and losing 1-3 to Savior is nice and all, but putting him any higher than #9 would be an affront to all the players that have qualified for multiple leagues and actually advanced by virtue of their own merit. So what if rA only qualified for 1 league? IPXzerg, your #1 player, never qualified for the last OSL, or the last last OSL, or the last last last OSL, or the last whatever number of OSLs there has been.... Anytime, your #2 player, never qualfied for the last MSL, or the last last MSL, or the last whatever number of MSLs there has been... You bring up nal_ra qualifying for one league but not another as a sign of his weakness. The fact is, out of the all the players you have up in the ranking, only NADA and MIDAS are the only players who qualified for both leagues. You blame KTF's bad placement in Proleague on rA? ...sigh......do you just look at KTF's bad placement in Proleague and just automatically blame it on rA? I mean seriously, what is this? rA hasn't played a single game for KTF in this Proleague season since their first ever series with MBC. KTF's bad placement in Proleague has nothing to do with Nal_rA Here are the facts: Nal_rA placed top 2 in the last MSL, while going far into OSL during same season. He made to the semifinals of the current MSL. The only player to have stopped rA from either advancing to the final or winning whole the league possibly two times in a row has been 1 name: Savior, the unbeatable zvp of all zerg. What if guys like Anytime were put in the same situation where they had to beat Savior in a bo5 in order to advance in OSL? Not to mention Chojja, who's been #1 on the Kespa ranking for months and is still holding the #2 spot, is nowhere on the list. Chojja - You are the most overrated progamer ever. Give me a ring when you a) start winning and b) crack the five-foot barrier. And don't cheat and use a phonebook I'm sorry, but you don't hold the #1 spot on Kespa for months and still retaining top 2 without winning a fuckload of games. No offense, but this power ranking list is complete joke as I see it. The Kespa ranking miles and miles ahead more accurate. I really don't see the point of having this list for a TL member to freely rank with his own biased views. If I want to see who's hot and who's not, I look at the Kespa rankings. This power ranking is so inaccurate in comparison to the official Kespa I can't see any reason why it's needed. There are so much stuff on there that's put in solely based by bias, player favoritism, lack of sense, and etc. Players here are getting unfair recognition due to bias. If TL really wants a power ranking, put up the top 10 Kespa players on there, and its members can discuss about the top 10 official players with their comments underneath. Best way to do it. lol djetter got owned
No he didn't Tfeign doesn't understand the way this feature works.
As already said before Chojja should not be in this Power Rank, no arguing on that !
Ok... Nal_Ra has qualified for both leagues in the past but not right now... He's only in MSL and fucked up the ODT prelims meaning he wont be in next OSL.
Anytime has never qualified for MSL -> true but he is now in Survival League.
Savior has never qualified for OSL -> true but he is now in ODT
Bisu is already qualified for MSL and is in ODT
I agree for Sea and Gplay on a lower basis
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This list is perfect. 100% agreed
Congrats DJ
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tfeign said it all.. gj man!
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On November 23 2006 04:42 MaGic~PhiL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2006 00:45 Vo- wrote:
Anytime out-played NaDa. No debate. Period.
Contribute something good or stfu.How can you out play someone if you lose to him 3:2 ?
On November 23 2006 09:49 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Srry Jathin but some things you say are simply wrong.
So you get mad at someone for making a statement without justification, but it's okay to do it yourself?
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rofl im not reading what geeks wrote, but after reading your list and throwing up in the bathroom i realize your just joking around with this power ranking.
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On November 23 2006 16:20 Jathin wrote:Idiots unite!
hahaha
On November 23 2006 16:45 ilove wrote:
rofl im not reading what geeks wrote, but after reading your list and throwing up in the bathroom i realize your just joking around with this power ranking.
i hope you get banned for posting on a bw forum and calling the rest of us "geeks," when you say that you felt like throwing up over someone's opinion regarding this game for "geeks." dumbass.
seeing as this list made you "throw up", it seems that you follow progaming to a certain degree. geek.
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