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February 2012 Power Rank - Page 4
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
Now you go convince Flamewheel | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
That is flipping funny | ||
Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On April 09 2012 18:47 Hyde wrote: No matter what, Fantasy must be number one. Agreed. Bisu can be 3 or 4... Fanta Flash Hoejja Bisu Crazy-Hydra | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On April 09 2012 18:57 shaftofpleasure wrote: Agreed. Bisu can be 3 or 4... Fanta Flash Hoejja Bisu Crazy-Hydra My fanboi self would like nothing more than to see Bisu at #3 (other than Bisu being at #1/2, obviously). But yea, before the finals Bisu would have absolutely no argument against those guys that are currently placed higher than him (by Mortality). Depending on how much you value Grand Finals games however, that ll change. Bisu definitely should get a spot in there though, if only through merit of the awesome micro/harass heavy play that he displayed in the GF Ace match. Slightly off topic, i maintained that Flash played beautifully, but was out-prepared in the Ace match, and really couldn't have done much better. All those people who called him out for poor decision-making (all that Cyber Core -> Zeal hoohah that was in the LR thread) quite simply made an erroneous judgement while watching the game. In any case, his play was so good that i almost want to keep him at number 1, seeing as such powerful play really doesn't warrant a drop in ranking. Though, it is true Flash was 5-5 in his last 10 games. That, and his only competitor actually beat him head-to-head in a straight-up game. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Here it's a different story. Neither Flash nor Fantasy have played a SL match in over 8 months due to the gap between seasons, and although Flash is the best choice for an overall MVP of this PL season, Fantasy is a close second and won a critical head to head match at the highest stage we see right now. I suspect there would be far less outrage if Flash retained the #1, but that really is a reflection of the fact that Fantasy's fan-base is a miniscule fraction the size of Jaedong's. Mechanically Flash may be superior to Fantasy, and Fantasy is known for trollololing us worse than pretty much anyone else, so I'm not adverse to saying that Flash is the best in the world, which he probably is, but I think Fantasy may actually be the harder player to prepare to face right now. The danger of Flash is that his game plan seems impenetrable with his phenomenal macro built off calculated risk taking, his ability to pressure his opponent with a push at any point during the midgame, and his masterful cheese play that he uses to stay unpredictable. But although fans like to compare Flash to Oov, in many ways he's really more like a modernized version of NaDa. Fantasy is clearly the player from the Boxer/Oov evolutionary tree. I'm kind of rambling, but hopefully that kind of makes sense.. | ||
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:49 Mortality wrote:I suspect there would be far less outrage if Flash retained the #1, but that really is a reflection of the fact that Fantasy's fan-base is a miniscule fraction the size of Jaedong's. Oh come on. I actually agree completely with your ranking though, maybe putting Leta higher. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
2. Flash 3. Stork | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:56 greggy wrote: Oh come on. I actually agree completely with your ranking though, maybe putting Leta higher. What? I think so. Jaedong was every Zerg's idol. Moreover he had been #1 in the world prior to Flash's domination. For the most part still is, although recently some of that has shifted towards Zero, Effort, Soulkey, etc. Everybody loves you when you're on top. It's when you're not you see who the real fans are. Fantasy has always lived in the shadow of Flash and the shadow of Bisu, even though his overall performance has been better than Bisu's for the past 2-3 years and his Starleague results were actually better than Flash's in 2011 (although his overall performance was not). If you look at discussions from this past season, there was a surprising amount of "meh" at Fantasy's performance, with numerous people citing that his opponent list was easy. Admittedly some players he faced like Zero don't seem to be as good this season, but 2x one-sided curb-stomping vs one of the hottest performers in 2011 should get more than a meh. Fantasy's never really been given his rightful due as a top guy. Even if you consider Flash as the #1 and Fantasy as the #2, the distance between Fantasy and #3 is staggering. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On April 10 2012 11:18 Mortality wrote: What? I think so. Jaedong was every Zerg's idol. Moreover he had been #1 in the world prior to Flash's domination. For the most part still is, although recently some of that has shifted towards Zero, Effort, Soulkey, etc. Everybody loves you when you're on top. It's when you're not you see who the real fans are. Fantasy has always lived in the shadow of Flash and the shadow of Bisu, even though his overall performance has been better than Bisu's for the past 2-3 years and his Starleague results were actually better than Flash's in 2011 (although his overall performance was not). If you look at discussions from this past season, there was a surprising amount of "meh" at Fantasy's performance, with numerous people citing that his opponent list was easy. Admittedly some players he faced like Zero don't seem to be as good this season, but 2x one-sided curb-stomping vs one of the hottest performers in 2011 should get more than a meh. Fantasy's never really been given his rightful due as a top guy. Even if you consider Flash as the #1 and Fantasy as the #2, the distance between Fantasy and #3 is staggering. Who is this "#3"? | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13017 Posts
On April 09 2012 18:57 shaftofpleasure wrote: Agreed. Bisu can be 3 or 4... Fanta Flash Hoejja Bisu Crazy-Hydra Bisu in top 3 ? Are you that blinded by fanboism or you forgot what happened just a few days ago. By your logic we could have Horang2 and M18M in top 5 more because they beat Flash on a more balanced maps. I dont think Flash deserves 2nd spot with his current form and games in the last month or so. Going 5-4 in the last 40 days and 0-2 in final in unacceptable for Flash and this is not Kepsa rankings so that we could give points because he dominated everyone in the past 4 months before. There are way too few games in the last month so my rankings could be subjective/biased but theese would be my rankings : 1. Fantasy ( no contest he outplayed Flash in finals ) 2. Hoejja ( fuckin beast in playoffs ) 3. Stork ( still overall the best protoss ) 4. Flash (sorry too much fail for a god ) 5. Action ( on a similar lvl to Hoejja ) 6. Bisu ( couldnt do better in finals but OSL fail ) 7. Horang2 ( did ok considering he went 1-1 vs Flash and 1-0 vs Stats ) 8. Stats ( not that good in Playoffs and OSL fail ) 9. Crazy-Hydra ( KT zergs.... ) 10. JD ( i dont think he deserves a spot in this month but he got robbed in the last month ) | ||
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HNOblivion
Brazil37 Posts
On April 10 2012 20:07 SkelA wrote: Bisu in top 3 ? Are you that blinded by fanboism or you forgot what happened just a few days ago. By your logic we could have Horang2 and M18M in top 5 more because they beat Flash on a more balanced maps. I dont think Flash deserves 2nd spot with his current form and games in the last month or so. Going 5-4 in the last 40 days and 0-2 in final in unacceptable for Flash and this is not Kepsa rankings so that we could give points because he dominated everyone in the past 4 months before. There are way too few games in the last month so my rankings could be subjective/biased but theese would be my rankings : 1. Fantasy ( no contest he outplayed Flash in finals ) 2. Hoejja ( fuckin beast in playoffs ) 3. Stork ( still overall the best protoss ) 4. Flash (sorry too much fail for a god ) 5. Action ( on a similar lvl to Hoejja ) 6. Bisu ( couldnt do better in finals but OSL fail ) 7. Horang2 ( did ok considering he went 1-1 vs Flash and 1-0 vs Stats ) 8. Stats ( not that good in Playoffs and OSL fail ) 9. Crazy-Hydra ( KT zergs.... ) 10. JD ( i dont think he deserves a spot in this month but he got robbed in the last month ) I like your rank but you seem to forgot that Hoejja failed in OSL aswell. | ||
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Nesto
Switzerland1318 Posts
On April 10 2012 20:07 SkelA wrote: Bisu in top 3 ? Are you that blinded by fanboism or you forgot what happened just a few days ago. By your logic we could have Horang2 and M18M in top 5 more because they beat Flash on a more balanced maps. I dont think Flash deserves 2nd spot with his current form and games in the last month or so. Going 5-4 in the last 40 days and 0-2 in final in unacceptable for Flash and this is not Kepsa rankings so that we could give points because he dominated everyone in the past 4 months before. There are way too few games in the last month so my rankings could be subjective/biased but theese would be my rankings : 1. Fantasy ( no contest he outplayed Flash in finals ) 2. Hoejja ( fuckin beast in playoffs ) 3. Stork ( still overall the best protoss ) 4. Flash (sorry too much fail for a god ) 5. Action ( on a similar lvl to Hoejja ) 6. Bisu ( couldnt do better in finals but OSL fail ) 7. Horang2 ( did ok considering he went 1-1 vs Flash and 1-0 vs Stats ) 8. Stats ( not that good in Playoffs and OSL fail ) 9. Crazy-Hydra ( KT zergs.... ) 10. JD ( i dont think he deserves a spot in this month but he got robbed in the last month ) well, I would suggest a few changes to your list. First I think you might want to switch Action and Crazy Hydra, both played pretty well in the playoffs - KT Zerg style - but Action "only" went 6-4 since february while Crazy Hydra went 7-2 and from a purely subjective point of view Action look at lot more shaky during his games - especially in ZvZ. I would drop Bisu even further, while I agree that he won important matches in the finals, his 4-3 record isn't really convincing (not even including his OSL Prelims fail) and the final game against Flash seemed more like a gigantic blunder by god who managed to lose even after scouting the proxy gate. I don't really get, why you think JD should be off the rank this month, while saying he got "robbed" last month. In January JD played really poor, while he went 6-1 since February and showed some strong games, especially in ZvZ where he currently seems to be unable not to get the BO loss but still manages to win each time. Not sure if Stats deserves a spot, there is a really strong field for this Power Rank and Stats has a pretty poor playoff record. | ||
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Kiett
United States7639 Posts
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SkelA
Macedonia13017 Posts
On April 11 2012 02:42 Nesto wrote: well, I would suggest a few changes to your list. First I think you might want to switch Action and Crazy Hydra, both played pretty well in the playoffs - KT Zerg style - but Action "only" went 6-4 since february while Crazy Hydra went 7-2 and from a purely subjective point of view Action look at lot more shaky during his games - especially in ZvZ. I would drop Bisu even further, while I agree that he won important matches in the finals, his 4-3 record isn't really convincing (not even including his OSL Prelims fail) and the final game against Flash seemed more like a gigantic blunder by god who managed to lose even after scouting the proxy gate. I don't really get, why you think JD should be off the rank this month, while saying he got "robbed" last month. In January JD played really poor, while he went 6-1 since February and showed some strong games, especially in ZvZ where he currently seems to be unable not to get the BO loss but still manages to win each time. Not sure if Stats deserves a spot, there is a really strong field for this Power Rank and Stats has a pretty poor playoff record. I probably made a mistake just counting march and april for my rankings and didnt count ferbruary into this I think JD was robbed on the last PR because he aint on PR and Bisu on 6th place..... I think e that JD at the very least did the same or even better than Bisu in that period of time. On April 11 2012 03:25 Kiett wrote: Don't forget that while the Playoffs/finals/OSL prelims are the most fresh in our mind, the next PR will also include all of R3. In which case I don't understand how you could possibly leave Leta off the ranking with good conscience. He could have done better in the playoffs, but his R3 record is nothing to scoff at (6-1) and he showed some really ingenious and dominating games against top players. As I said i made a mistake counting only march and april so yea Leta deserves spot on PR. Probably gonna update my list with R3 into consideration | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On April 11 2012 02:42 Nesto wrote: well, I would suggest a few changes to your list. First I think you might want to switch Action and Crazy Hydra, both played pretty well in the playoffs - KT Zerg style - but Action "only" went 6-4 since february while Crazy Hydra went 7-2 and from a purely subjective point of view Action look at lot more shaky during his games - especially in ZvZ. I would drop Bisu even further, while I agree that he won important matches in the finals, his 4-3 record isn't really convincing (not even including his OSL Prelims fail) and the final game against Flash seemed more like a gigantic blunder by god who managed to lose even after scouting the proxy gate. I don't really get, why you think JD should be off the rank this month, while saying he got "robbed" last month. In January JD played really poor, while he went 6-1 since February and showed some strong games, especially in ZvZ where he currently seems to be unable not to get the BO loss but still manages to win each time. Not sure if Stats deserves a spot, there is a really strong field for this Power Rank and Stats has a pretty poor playoff record. Kindly enlighten me as to God's blunder. I mean, if you could help elaborate on what he did wrong.... | ||
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Nesto
Switzerland1318 Posts
On April 11 2012 05:18 ffreakk wrote: Kindly enlighten me as to God's blunder. I mean, if you could help elaborate on what he did wrong.... biggest one? probably blowing up a cyber core and not expecting zealots and therefore not having a single vulture out or having a wall up. Second one: not dealing with Bisu's probe in the early stages altough he could have, but he choose to run out with all 7 marines to try and destroy the proxy pylon. The whole game seemed pretty scrappy to me, but hey I always played Zerg myself, I admit not having too much experience with this situation  | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On April 11 2012 05:42 Nesto wrote: biggest one? probably blowing up a cyber core and not expecting zealots and therefore not having a single vulture out or having a wall up. Second one: not dealing with Bisu's probe in the early stages altough he could have, but he choose to run out with all 7 marines to try and destroy the proxy pylon. The whole game seemed pretty scrappy to me, but hey I always played Zerg myself, I admit not having too much experience with this situation Hmm.. There are pretty detailed discussion in the Live Report thread about this topic. I guess you didn't come back there after the game. Did it not occur to you that Bisu would have rebuild his Cybernetics Core the moment it got shelled, or even before that when he found out about the attack? Progamers always rebuild their tech, unless that tech is irrelevant to their gameplan. In fact, Bisu rebuilt his Core just a few blocks away from the old one. And it would have affected at most one of his production cycle (on whether he could build Goons), likely none at all. Not to mention, Flash had only 1 tank shelling the Core, Bisu had all the time in the world to rebuild 1, and Flash knows that as well. Even before Bisu rebuild his Core, even before Flash's attack reached the backdoor, even before the first Citadel warped in, Bisu built another Citadel at his Nat. He really wanted his Legs Upgrade. That attack was clearly intended, and didn't happen because Flash accidentally sniped the Core. Flash had only ONE production cycle back at his base when Bisu's attack hit (3 Facts unit vs 14 Zeals + 2 Goons). Vultures or otherwise, he wouldn't have held. Not to mention Flash did not have the breathing room to upgrade Vult Speed or Mine all game. Neither could he afford to build Vultures (3 Facts == choose carefully what you build). When Flash saw the Speed Zeal counter, he did try to wall-in. 1 Barracks was put down at the Natural choke. Too bad he didn't have enough minerals to put down the second one. Not that it would have helped. Bisu had 8 Gates worth of production, and Reaver. Even if the wall would have helped him hold, it wouldn't have lasted long. Flash didn't make any gigantic blunder. He played well, micro-ed beautifully, and made good informed decisions. The opening set him too far behind though, imho. Edit: Regarding those early game pushes, Flash had no info whatsoever on Bisu's build. The last time Bisu did early Zeal pressure on him, Bisu expanded behind that pressure. Flash likely believe this to be the case, and aimed to destroy the proxy, hopefully completely stop Bisu's production, and setting himself up for a powerful Marine/SCV push. Of course, Bisu actually slammed down another 2 Gates at home, but Flash didn't know that (we did, but we had maphack). It was a sound decision, given the information he had. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
That's exactly the point, isn't it? :p But for my money I think Stork is the #3 for both the season and the ranking period. He's been very consistent and very solid against all 3 races this season. | ||
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VGhost
United States3606 Posts
#3 player overall I think has to be Stork, with Soulkey/Jaedong close behind and then another big gap to the guys who are good but can't make it out of prelims (Leta, Stats, Bisu, ...). That sentence looks really weird, so maybe I'm wrong. | ||
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