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giles_corey
Profile Joined June 2011
2 Posts
August 26 2011 02:00 GMT
#121
i mean DRG and select are monsters, incase y'all dont know
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cowww
Profile Joined May 2011
9 Posts
August 26 2011 03:35 GMT
#122
picked D because as a zerg i don't think i cant take on 3 of them. Plus nada's macro + kiwi's micro will just be deadly
TheLetterQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States65 Posts
August 26 2011 04:06 GMT
#123
A has definitely the highest skill level, but D may be the most interesting to watch because theoretically at least, any of the players there could take first, whereas in A incontrol is probably going to go 0-5.
Fyodor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada971 Posts
August 26 2011 07:40 GMT
#124
Top five players is like this IMO:

1) NaDa
2) Bomber
3) DRG
4) HuK
5) IdrA

I think B on average will be hardest.
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Purpose2
Profile Joined August 2010
England187 Posts
August 26 2011 09:45 GMT
#125
Voted B, IdrA, Sjow, Bomber? And Haypros going to start to shine eventually.... perhaps this tournament.

Incontrol getting another 0-5 but it doesn't matter which group he's in for that.
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ellirc
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3286 Posts
August 26 2011 10:04 GMT
#126
Voted B. Naniwa is gonna own group A easily.
UnholyRai
Profile Joined September 2010
720 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 11:30:20
August 26 2011 10:49 GMT
#127
Voted C. Surprised to see it ranked lowest. Pound for pound lets compare C to A.

TLO > Incontrol (Debateable, but TLO at his strongest is better than incontrol imo)
Tester > Rain (Hard to argue against this one?)
DRG > Coca (Sure Coca is Code S, but DRG is generally expected to finish higher in MLG, right?)
Select > Huk (This will be debateable, but Select has crushed Huk last few times he has played him)
Slush < Naniwa (OK so Naniwa is considered stronger than slush, but slush is very good and got top 5 MLG recently)

So who wants to have a go at explaining why A is so much "harder" then C?

Gogo Grubby.
PlayX
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany79 Posts
August 26 2011 11:43 GMT
#128
Pool C the weakest? No... no. no no no.
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UnholyRai
Profile Joined September 2010
720 Posts
August 26 2011 12:30 GMT
#129
Pool D is the weakest btw, moonan, nada and sheth are not going to do anything at this tourny.
Gogo Grubby.
hiyo_bye
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States737 Posts
August 26 2011 12:44 GMT
#130
On August 26 2011 19:49 UnholyRai wrote:
Voted C. Surprised to see it ranked lowest. Pound for pound lets compare C to A.

TLO > Incontrol (Debateable, but TLO at his strongest is better than incontrol imo)
Tester > Rain (Hard to argue against this one?)
DRG > Coca (Sure Coca is Code S, but DRG is generally expected to finish higher in MLG, right?)
Select > Huk (This will be debateable, but Select has crushed Huk last few times he has played him)
Slush < Naniwa (OK so Naniwa is considered stronger than slush, but slush is very good and got top 5 MLG recently)

So who wants to have a go at explaining why A is so much "harder" then C?


I don't think your logic works. Your example can be easily manipulated like this:

Nani > Slush
Rain > Select
Coca > Tester
Huk > TLO
Incontrol < DRG

Plus, I would say Huk > Select anyway.

It's like an example of two people who have three horses each, a fast one, a medium speed one, and a slow one. If they bet money on three races, you'd want to put your slowest horse against his fastest horse, your medium horse against his slowest horse, and your fastest horse against his medium horse, so that you'd win 2 out of 3.
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Skyeye
Profile Joined February 2011
United States6 Posts
August 26 2011 13:48 GMT
#131
group c is hardest...idk why everyone is picking a...tlo is comin back select is raw drg is nasty tester is korean and slush always finishes high in mlg's yet no one cares or bothers to notice...
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
August 26 2011 15:29 GMT
#132
Voted C... being in a group with select drg tester is scary enough, plus slush has shown at mlg he's no slouch, and TLO is always a player you have to watch out for, whether or not he can actually win a MLG doesn't mean he can't snipe games off other top tier players
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Daehlie
Profile Joined September 2010
United States43 Posts
August 26 2011 16:00 GMT
#133
Huk is a BEAST.
SK.MC ftw
UnholyRai
Profile Joined September 2010
720 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 16:16:04
August 26 2011 16:15 GMT
#134
On August 26 2011 21:44 hiyo_bye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 19:49 UnholyRai wrote:
Voted C. Surprised to see it ranked lowest. Pound for pound lets compare C to A.

TLO > Incontrol (Debateable, but TLO at his strongest is better than incontrol imo)
Tester > Rain (Hard to argue against this one?)
DRG > Coca (Sure Coca is Code S, but DRG is generally expected to finish higher in MLG, right?)
Select > Huk (This will be debateable, but Select has crushed Huk last few times he has played him)
Slush < Naniwa (OK so Naniwa is considered stronger than slush, but slush is very good and got top 5 MLG recently)

So who wants to have a go at explaining why A is so much "harder" then C?


I don't think your logic works. Your example can be easily manipulated like this:

Nani > Slush
Rain > Select
Coca > Tester
Huk > TLO
Incontrol < DRG

Plus, I would say Huk > Select anyway.

It's like an example of two people who have three horses each, a fast one, a medium speed one, and a slow one. If they bet money on three races, you'd want to put your slowest horse against his fastest horse, your medium horse against his slowest horse, and your fastest horse against his medium horse, so that you'd win 2 out of 3.


Interesting. I tried to match similar calibre players against each other. For example what is the point comparing DRG to incontrol?

Notice how I matched players who were similar in skill/status/nationality.

The reason why my logic is more accurate then yours is because its like comparing a fast horse on one team vs the fast horse on the other team, and likewise with likewise.
Gogo Grubby.
Devise
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1131 Posts
August 26 2011 16:31 GMT
#135
On August 27 2011 01:15 UnholyRai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 21:44 hiyo_bye wrote:
On August 26 2011 19:49 UnholyRai wrote:
Voted C. Surprised to see it ranked lowest. Pound for pound lets compare C to A.

TLO > Incontrol (Debateable, but TLO at his strongest is better than incontrol imo)
Tester > Rain (Hard to argue against this one?)
DRG > Coca (Sure Coca is Code S, but DRG is generally expected to finish higher in MLG, right?)
Select > Huk (This will be debateable, but Select has crushed Huk last few times he has played him)
Slush < Naniwa (OK so Naniwa is considered stronger than slush, but slush is very good and got top 5 MLG recently)

So who wants to have a go at explaining why A is so much "harder" then C?


I don't think your logic works. Your example can be easily manipulated like this:

Nani > Slush
Rain > Select
Coca > Tester
Huk > TLO
Incontrol < DRG

Plus, I would say Huk > Select anyway.

It's like an example of two people who have three horses each, a fast one, a medium speed one, and a slow one. If they bet money on three races, you'd want to put your slowest horse against his fastest horse, your medium horse against his slowest horse, and your fastest horse against his medium horse, so that you'd win 2 out of 3.


Interesting. I tried to match similar calibre players against each other. For example what is the point comparing DRG to incontrol?

Notice how I matched players who were similar in skill/status/nationality.

The reason why my logic is more accurate then yours is because its like comparing a fast horse on one team vs the fast horse on the other team, and likewise with likewise.


I agree, but i'd say it's pretty even.
Top Korean DRG > CoCa
2nd Korean Tester = Rain (i'd say this is pretty even)
Top Foreigner Select < HuK
2nd Foreigner Slush < Naniwa
Last place TLO > Incontrol

Ultimately It's hard to just compare the groups in 1v1 situations, I'd bet C is an overall stronger lineup, but A might win if it was 5 1v1s with matching players of equal caliber, nationality etc.
UnholyRai
Profile Joined September 2010
720 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 21:05:58
August 26 2011 21:04 GMT
#136
On August 27 2011 01:31 Devise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 01:15 UnholyRai wrote:
On August 26 2011 21:44 hiyo_bye wrote:
On August 26 2011 19:49 UnholyRai wrote:
Voted C. Surprised to see it ranked lowest. Pound for pound lets compare C to A.

TLO > Incontrol (Debateable, but TLO at his strongest is better than incontrol imo)
Tester > Rain (Hard to argue against this one?)
DRG > Coca (Sure Coca is Code S, but DRG is generally expected to finish higher in MLG, right?)
Select > Huk (This will be debateable, but Select has crushed Huk last few times he has played him)
Slush < Naniwa (OK so Naniwa is considered stronger than slush, but slush is very good and got top 5 MLG recently)

So who wants to have a go at explaining why A is so much "harder" then C?


I don't think your logic works. Your example can be easily manipulated like this:

Nani > Slush
Rain > Select
Coca > Tester
Huk > TLO
Incontrol < DRG

Plus, I would say Huk > Select anyway.

It's like an example of two people who have three horses each, a fast one, a medium speed one, and a slow one. If they bet money on three races, you'd want to put your slowest horse against his fastest horse, your medium horse against his slowest horse, and your fastest horse against his medium horse, so that you'd win 2 out of 3.


Interesting. I tried to match similar calibre players against each other. For example what is the point comparing DRG to incontrol?

Notice how I matched players who were similar in skill/status/nationality.

The reason why my logic is more accurate then yours is because its like comparing a fast horse on one team vs the fast horse on the other team, and likewise with likewise.


I agree, but i'd say it's pretty even.
Top Korean DRG > CoCa
2nd Korean Tester = Rain (i'd say this is pretty even)
Top Foreigner Select < HuK
2nd Foreigner Slush < Naniwa
Last place TLO > Incontrol

Ultimately It's hard to just compare the groups in 1v1 situations, I'd bet C is an overall stronger lineup, but A might win if it was 5 1v1s with matching players of equal caliber, nationality etc.


True.

My ultimate point of my post was to call out the wack voting on this poll, which seems to suggest A is clearly the strongest group.
Gogo Grubby.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
August 26 2011 21:12 GMT
#137
On August 26 2011 16:40 Fyodor wrote:
Top five players is like this IMO:

1) NaDa
2) Bomber
3) DRG
4) HuK
5) IdrA

I think B on average will be hardest.

I don't know about that. I think it would go more like this:
1. (T)NaDa - Just a super solid Code S player who has managed to consistently stay on top (plus I think he won some games back in SC:BW, but I'm not sure.
2. (Z)DongRaeGu - In the GSTL he's proven himself consistently as being one of the best Zergs in the world, plus his showing last MLG proved that he was a great player.
3. (T)Bomber - When Bomber plays his best, I think that he's the best player at this tournament. If we get the Bomber who played in the Code A finals against Mvp, he'll win the whole tournament; if we get the Bomber who lost Byun in Ro8 in GSL July.
4. (P)HuK - Currently the best foreigner in the world in my opinion and results. He's a great player who's proven in tournaments that he can beat the best players in the world in high pressure situations.
5. This one's tough: it's a tossup between (T)Rain, (Z)CoCa, (P)TesteR, or (P)NaNiwa All these players are great. Rain is a great player who has a lot of negativity directed towards him because everybody thought of him as a super cheesy player. However, his more recent performance has shown that he is completely capable of putting up great games. CoCa, TesteR, and NaNiwa are also all great players who could all do well.

Players I didn't list: (Z)Ret, (T)IdrA, (T)SeleCT
Those are players that other people would put in their top 5, but I disagree. IdrA is a great player, but just like Bomber and Rain sometimes, he has problems with his mental state and when it fails it fails hard. Ret is another player who could definitely do great, but his style is predictable so I'm not sure how well he'll do. SeleCT has consistently failed two MLGs in a row, and personally, in his case anyways, I doubt third time will be the charm. He's a great player, but he has continually failed at MLGs and the fact that after his last two performances that he's still even in the groups is sad and shows MLGs flawed system.
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
August 26 2011 21:22 GMT
#138
Nani, Huk, Inc, Rain, Coca
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PiRate647
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium187 Posts
August 26 2011 23:53 GMT
#139
DRG+Trickster . add the fact that by some voodoo Slush always outdoes himself at mlg`s . Plus Select is still the best American Terran
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hiyo_bye
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States737 Posts
August 27 2011 02:10 GMT
#140
On August 27 2011 01:15 UnholyRai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 21:44 hiyo_bye wrote:
On August 26 2011 19:49 UnholyRai wrote:
Voted C. Surprised to see it ranked lowest. Pound for pound lets compare C to A.

TLO > Incontrol (Debateable, but TLO at his strongest is better than incontrol imo)
Tester > Rain (Hard to argue against this one?)
DRG > Coca (Sure Coca is Code S, but DRG is generally expected to finish higher in MLG, right?)
Select > Huk (This will be debateable, but Select has crushed Huk last few times he has played him)
Slush < Naniwa (OK so Naniwa is considered stronger than slush, but slush is very good and got top 5 MLG recently)

So who wants to have a go at explaining why A is so much "harder" then C?


I don't think your logic works. Your example can be easily manipulated like this:

Nani > Slush
Rain > Select
Coca > Tester
Huk > TLO
Incontrol < DRG

Plus, I would say Huk > Select anyway.

It's like an example of two people who have three horses each, a fast one, a medium speed one, and a slow one. If they bet money on three races, you'd want to put your slowest horse against his fastest horse, your medium horse against his slowest horse, and your fastest horse against his medium horse, so that you'd win 2 out of 3.


Interesting. I tried to match similar calibre players against each other. For example what is the point comparing DRG to incontrol?

Notice how I matched players who were similar in skill/status/nationality.

The reason why my logic is more accurate then yours is because its like comparing a fast horse on one team vs the fast horse on the other team, and likewise with likewise.


I still disagree with you. basically what I'm trying to say is using an example of comparing players 1 on 1 doesn't mean much because it's easy to change around and neither of our examples is useful. Plus the examples you put are not very clear and in each case it's very debatable.

Also I don't think A is much harder than C; they're comparable. Though if you ignore TLO and Incontrol as they're unlikely to do much damage, I would prefer to be against DRG, Tester, Select, and Slush than CoCa HuK NaNi and Rain. In terms of achievement, I don't think this can be argued.
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