EPTMLG Raleigh hardest pool? - Page 7
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giles_corey
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cowww
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TheLetterQ
United States65 Posts
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
1) NaDa 2) Bomber 3) DRG 4) HuK 5) IdrA I think B on average will be hardest. | ||
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Purpose2
England187 Posts
Incontrol getting another 0-5 but it doesn't matter which group he's in for that. | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
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UnholyRai
720 Posts
TLO > Incontrol (Debateable, but TLO at his strongest is better than incontrol imo) Tester > Rain (Hard to argue against this one?) DRG > Coca (Sure Coca is Code S, but DRG is generally expected to finish higher in MLG, right?) Select > Huk (This will be debateable, but Select has crushed Huk last few times he has played him) Slush < Naniwa (OK so Naniwa is considered stronger than slush, but slush is very good and got top 5 MLG recently) So who wants to have a go at explaining why A is so much "harder" then C? | ||
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PlayX
Germany79 Posts
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UnholyRai
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hiyo_bye
United States737 Posts
On August 26 2011 19:49 UnholyRai wrote: Voted C. Surprised to see it ranked lowest. Pound for pound lets compare C to A. TLO > Incontrol (Debateable, but TLO at his strongest is better than incontrol imo) Tester > Rain (Hard to argue against this one?) DRG > Coca (Sure Coca is Code S, but DRG is generally expected to finish higher in MLG, right?) Select > Huk (This will be debateable, but Select has crushed Huk last few times he has played him) Slush < Naniwa (OK so Naniwa is considered stronger than slush, but slush is very good and got top 5 MLG recently) So who wants to have a go at explaining why A is so much "harder" then C? I don't think your logic works. Your example can be easily manipulated like this: Nani > Slush Rain > Select Coca > Tester Huk > TLO Incontrol < DRG Plus, I would say Huk > Select anyway. It's like an example of two people who have three horses each, a fast one, a medium speed one, and a slow one. If they bet money on three races, you'd want to put your slowest horse against his fastest horse, your medium horse against his slowest horse, and your fastest horse against his medium horse, so that you'd win 2 out of 3. | ||
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Skyeye
United States6 Posts
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
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Daehlie
United States43 Posts
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UnholyRai
720 Posts
On August 26 2011 21:44 hiyo_bye wrote: I don't think your logic works. Your example can be easily manipulated like this: Nani > Slush Rain > Select Coca > Tester Huk > TLO Incontrol < DRG Plus, I would say Huk > Select anyway. It's like an example of two people who have three horses each, a fast one, a medium speed one, and a slow one. If they bet money on three races, you'd want to put your slowest horse against his fastest horse, your medium horse against his slowest horse, and your fastest horse against his medium horse, so that you'd win 2 out of 3. Interesting. I tried to match similar calibre players against each other. For example what is the point comparing DRG to incontrol? Notice how I matched players who were similar in skill/status/nationality. The reason why my logic is more accurate then yours is because its like comparing a fast horse on one team vs the fast horse on the other team, and likewise with likewise. | ||
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Devise
Canada1131 Posts
On August 27 2011 01:15 UnholyRai wrote: Interesting. I tried to match similar calibre players against each other. For example what is the point comparing DRG to incontrol? Notice how I matched players who were similar in skill/status/nationality. The reason why my logic is more accurate then yours is because its like comparing a fast horse on one team vs the fast horse on the other team, and likewise with likewise. I agree, but i'd say it's pretty even. Top Korean DRG > CoCa 2nd Korean Tester = Rain (i'd say this is pretty even) Top Foreigner Select < HuK 2nd Foreigner Slush < Naniwa Last place TLO > Incontrol Ultimately It's hard to just compare the groups in 1v1 situations, I'd bet C is an overall stronger lineup, but A might win if it was 5 1v1s with matching players of equal caliber, nationality etc. | ||
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UnholyRai
720 Posts
On August 27 2011 01:31 Devise wrote: I agree, but i'd say it's pretty even. Top Korean DRG > CoCa 2nd Korean Tester = Rain (i'd say this is pretty even) Top Foreigner Select < HuK 2nd Foreigner Slush < Naniwa Last place TLO > Incontrol Ultimately It's hard to just compare the groups in 1v1 situations, I'd bet C is an overall stronger lineup, but A might win if it was 5 1v1s with matching players of equal caliber, nationality etc. True. My ultimate point of my post was to call out the wack voting on this poll, which seems to suggest A is clearly the strongest group. | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On August 26 2011 16:40 Fyodor wrote: Top five players is like this IMO: 1) NaDa 2) Bomber 3) DRG 4) HuK 5) IdrA I think B on average will be hardest. I don't know about that. I think it would go more like this: 1.  NaDa - Just a super solid Code S player who has managed to consistently stay on top (plus I think he won some games back in SC:BW, but I'm not sure.2.  DongRaeGu - In the GSTL he's proven himself consistently as being one of the best Zergs in the world, plus his showing last MLG proved that he was a great player.3. Bomber - When Bomber plays his best, I think that he's the best player at this tournament. If we get the Bomber who played in the Code A finals against Mvp, he'll win the whole tournament; if we get the Bomber who lost Byun in Ro8 in GSL July.4.  HuK - Currently the best foreigner in the world in my opinion and results. He's a great player who's proven in tournaments that he can beat the best players in the world in high pressure situations.5. This one's tough: it's a tossup between Rain, CoCa, TesteR, or NaNiwa All these players are great. Rain is a great player who has a lot of negativity directed towards him because everybody thought of him as a super cheesy player. However, his more recent performance has shown that he is completely capable of putting up great games. CoCa, TesteR, and NaNiwa are also all great players who could all do well.Players I didn't list: Ret, IdrA, SeleCTThose are players that other people would put in their top 5, but I disagree. IdrA is a great player, but just like Bomber and Rain sometimes, he has problems with his mental state and when it fails it fails hard. Ret is another player who could definitely do great, but his style is predictable so I'm not sure how well he'll do. SeleCT has consistently failed two MLGs in a row, and personally, in his case anyways, I doubt third time will be the charm. He's a great player, but he has continually failed at MLGs and the fact that after his last two performances that he's still even in the groups is sad and shows MLGs flawed system. | ||
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Fatze
Germany1342 Posts
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PiRate647
Belgium187 Posts
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hiyo_bye
United States737 Posts
On August 27 2011 01:15 UnholyRai wrote: Interesting. I tried to match similar calibre players against each other. For example what is the point comparing DRG to incontrol? Notice how I matched players who were similar in skill/status/nationality. The reason why my logic is more accurate then yours is because its like comparing a fast horse on one team vs the fast horse on the other team, and likewise with likewise. I still disagree with you. basically what I'm trying to say is using an example of comparing players 1 on 1 doesn't mean much because it's easy to change around and neither of our examples is useful. Plus the examples you put are not very clear and in each case it's very debatable. Also I don't think A is much harder than C; they're comparable. Though if you ignore TLO and Incontrol as they're unlikely to do much damage, I would prefer to be against DRG, Tester, Select, and Slush than CoCa HuK NaNi and Rain. In terms of achievement, I don't think this can be argued. | ||
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