EPTMLG Raleigh hardest pool?
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sixfour
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Hellwitch
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2 Koreans + 3 of the best non-korean Protoss = group of Death Edit : grammar ¬¬ | ||
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VictorJones
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Plus, Bomber makes groups impossible | ||
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TR
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AirbladeOrange
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DMXD
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two of the best foreigners, a korean zerg plus a solid korean terran. | ||
Ares[Effort]
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Gladiator6
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Elasticity
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Synwave
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Chvol
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Pool D gets my vote. | ||
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missingheaven
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B is hardest. Sjow IdrA Bomber lol | ||
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modesttoss
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CeriseCherries
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MichaelDonovan
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duk3
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Coca/Rain/Nani/Huk is just a terrible group to be in, everyone is skilled, and then add a player who had to make it through the open bracket, so probably another korean. | ||
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Cevari
Finland74 Posts
Select is a bit hard to call since lately he seems a bit swingy, but if he's playing to his top level he's just as good as idra / ret / sheth / sjow. And the way I see it is that there is a number of players of clearly lower caliber in the pools spread out quite evenly, with only inc in group A but two in all the others (Moonan, Kiwi, Machine, Haypro, TLO and Slush), so if we assume these players only beat each other barring big upsets the top 3 of the non-A groups pretty much decides their order. That's why I put C over B and D. | ||
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
On August 24 2011 02:07 Hellwitch wrote: I voted for Group A 2 Koreans + 3 of the best non-korean Protoss = group of Death Edit : grammar ¬¬ You mean 4 people with korean practice, and one good foreigner? | ||
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ZidaneTribal
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phyK
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SxYSpAz
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The Final Boss
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 IdrA: The Gracken himself, a guy who if he doesn't lose focus, can beat anyone with his super solid macro. Bomber: Considered one of the best Terrans in the world, and certainly one of the best players traveling to Raleigh, he's definitely a favorite to win this whole tournament.SjoW: The Blind Terran who won IEM Europe against some of the scariest players ( Manner Toss himself).Machine IdrA's teammate, and a great Zerg. Though he doesn't have the best record at MLG's, he could definitely win.+ Show Spoiler + And then, the favorite to win the group and the entire tournament. Feared by players around the world, as the most godly Zerg in the world. World renowned, and while EG would have preferred to pick him up, they had to settle with his teammate HuK as no amount of money can purchase a god, Who's. Name. Is. HayprO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!+ Show Spoiler + | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On August 24 2011 06:51 SxYSpAz wrote: how is pool c so far down there? that is one beastly ass group. i don't think group A is THE death group. got strong players, but i'd say mostly c, and d are stacked. you guys be undermining players >_< DRG will win that group. TLO and SeleCT haven't won a total of 3 sets in the last two MLG's during Group Stages. It's not undermining players if they perform horribly. Plus, out of CoCa, NaDa, Bomber, and TesteR, I think that TesteR may be the weakest Korean Invite. NaDa and Bomber both are fantastic players who I would definitely say are stronger then TesteR, and CoCa recently got traded to SlayerS so he has plenty of practice partners to make his lacking match-ups better (ZvT and ZvZ). CoCa has some of the best ZvP in the world, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him beat HuK and NaNiwa. TesteR is a great player, but he isn't as scary as other Koreans at the event. Then the last person is Slush, who's great, but isn't scary. I mean some of his games were really interesting to watch (I don't play Zerg, but I really liked his double Roach Warrens for both claws and speed really fast), but Pool C is far from the scariest. Groups in order from easiest to hardest: C: Slush, Select, TLO, DRG, Tester D:Kiwi, Ret, Sheth, Moonan, Nada A:Nani, Huk, Inc, Rain, Coca B: Idra, Sjow, Haypro, Machine, Bomber HAYPRO BONJWA FIGHTING :D | ||
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hejakev
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
HAS to be group A - 2 of the best toss players in the world, rain who fucking destroyed at last MLG. Coca who is the second best zerg attending after DRG (yea even better then idra unfortunately) and then inc - obviously the underdog but PvP is fucked so he could easily take out HuK and nani. Im going with inc (dick) rain (head) HuK (heart) lol | ||
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HoldenR
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Zeevo
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Huggerz
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harhar!
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apart from him group b for bomber, idra and sjow... | ||
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radim
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SxYSpAz
United States1451 Posts
On August 24 2011 07:33 The Final Boss wrote: DRG will win that group. TLO and SeleCT haven't won a total of 3 sets in the last two MLG's during Group Stages. It's not undermining players if they perform horribly. Plus, out of CoCa, NaDa, Bomber, and TesteR, I think that TesteR may be the weakest Korean Invite. NaDa and Bomber both are fantastic players who I would definitely say are stronger then TesteR, and CoCa recently got traded to SlayerS so he has plenty of practice partners to make his lacking match-ups better (ZvT and ZvZ). CoCa has some of the best ZvP in the world, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him beat HuK and NaNiwa. TesteR is a great player, but he isn't as scary as other Koreans at the event. Then the last person is Slush, who's great, but isn't scary. I mean some of his games were really interesting to watch (I don't play Zerg, but I really liked his double Roach Warrens for both claws and speed really fast), but Pool C is far from the scariest. Groups in order from easiest to hardest: C: Slush, Select, TLO, DRG, Tester D:Kiwi, Ret, Sheth, Moonan, Nada A:Nani, Huk, Inc, Rain, Coca B: Idra, Sjow, Haypro, Machine, Bomber HAYPRO BONJWA FIGHTING :D select just won NA bnet invitational. Slush beasts through MLG time and time again. DRG is top 3 zerg in world (imo) TLO is a bit of a toss up, but is definitely capable... and has been in a pro house. idk, tester is korean, probably not the best. Also, you just called haypro a bonjwa and i think he would even agree that's disrespectful. That is really the biggest reason i can't respect your opinion. stop trying to ruin this sacred word!!! GAAAHHH! | ||
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foen
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WebsblobTwo
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motumbo
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ggrrg
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Two of three best foreigner zergs + 2 Koreans one of which is freaking Nada. In addition Kiwi might take a game or two to mix up things. Seems like the least predictable group. Pool A is a close second: Nani, Huk, Rain and Coca can all take games from each other. Unfortunately, I see Incontrol being swept by everyone. Pool C has the potential for an "upset": DRG is the clear favorite. Tester and Select in top form compete for second place and might even upset DRG. Slush has been performing incredibly well the last few MLGs and TLO is always a threat, but I guess they will be the last ones in their group. Pool B is plain boring... Anything other than Bomber 1st and Idra 2nd would be a huge surprise. The other three will be battling it out for 3rd place with Sjow having the best chances imo. | ||
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jimchoi11
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The_Piper42
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jameshall4
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Protocon
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Apollo_Shards
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HEROwithNOlegacy
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LostBLuE
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mnck
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As always, the hardest group is the group with Naniwa in ;D | ||
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red4ce
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Sea_Food
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WR4TH
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userstupidname
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after looking I noticed group C which is BEASTLY, DRG - TLO (Coming strongly(!) back after carpal syndrome) TESTER, SLUSH, AND SELECT WHO FINALLY have some momentum to show of his full potential, This group is by FAAR the hardest group where everyone is determined to win Idra just going to dominate his group :I | ||
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d(O.o)a
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Bobster
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 Have they fixed the messed-up seeding after pool play so we don't get the same people playing each other again? | ||
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johngalt90
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Marcello
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I dont think that inc doesnt have a chance. But its very hard for him. Coca and Nani will take the Lead... | ||
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Atrimex
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teddyoojo
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most balanced and so to speak hardest pool is group D. not with the strongest players but will be a hard and close fight. | ||
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whereismymind
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
On August 24 2011 02:50 Spiry wrote: Incontrol another 0-5? Sucks, he's deserves better What? No. If he was better than any of the players in that group, I would agree, but he's not. | ||
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Peksi
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krneki
Norway237 Posts
group b is really not competitive, first is sealed and 2nd pretty much too. only question is who will take places 3. and 4. (sjow/haypro) group c will be most fun to watch. group A for me, followed closely by group D | ||
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Hamzilla
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StateAlchemist
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SpurvL
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Therg
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Rain CoCa Nani Huk Incontroll | ||
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Eboceixa
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voted A though | ||
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RTudoRR
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Seaweed
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DoomsVille
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mordek
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GleaM
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On August 24 2011 02:07 sixfour wrote: Voted B only on account of sorting by Protoss and picking whichever had the least Lol this is hilarious! But kinda sad and true... Koreans think 1-1-1 is too strong... and ZvP 3-4 hatch before gas is too strong... What does toss have at the highest level like this? | ||
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Shichoo
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Aragos
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jax1492
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Slaptoast
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Seldentar
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On August 24 2011 03:17 Knightess wrote: Group B is easy win for Idra andBomber, Group D is between Sheth Ret and Nada, Group C is SeleCt, DRG and Tester, Group A is anyone's game though. (my cock says inc) Your post was reasonable until that last part... wtf?!?!?! LOL | ||
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Kogan
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But regardless i think every pool is really good and there will be exiting games :D | ||
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Kogan
Germany84 Posts
On August 24 2011 17:58 Atrimex wrote: iNcontroL,TLO,Machine, Haypro, Moonan, Sheth, Slush and most of the other foreigners are only cannon fodder. However, hope dies last. i think TLO and Sheth are better than the other 5 u mentioned | ||
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onetime
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going to be great matches! | ||
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nttea
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On August 25 2011 03:25 Seldentar wrote: Your post was reasonable until that last part... wtf?!?!?! LOL it's a state of the game reference btw, i voted A but i felt it wasn't as clear cut as some other hardest group votes we've had. | ||
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ShatterZer0
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Phyxate
United States49 Posts
Doesn't really matter though because Bomber or Nada gonna win the whole thing lol. | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On August 24 2011 09:52 SxYSpAz wrote: select just won NA bnet invitational. Slush beasts through MLG time and time again. DRG is top 3 zerg in world (imo) TLO is a bit of a toss up, but is definitely capable... and has been in a pro house. idk, tester is korean, probably not the best. Also, you just called haypro a bonjwa and i think he would even agree that's disrespectful. That is really the biggest reason i can't respect your opinion. stop trying to ruin this sacred word!!! GAAAHHH! I obviously wasn't serious... And it doesn't matter as much how well SeleCT has done at other tournaments, as in the MLG environment he has consistently done poorly two tournaments in a row. It's a disgrace that he's still in the pool play. DRG is great, but one player doesn't make it a group of death. TLO has had medical issues with his wrists for a while, meaning that despite living in a pro house he hasn't been playing as much recently; and it shows. His performance recently has been less then good. That group really is not that scary... | ||
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GreEny K
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On August 24 2011 02:32 eYeball wrote: A then followed by D. Really? D doesn't even look that tough to me... A definitely is though, InControl... lol. | ||
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wizard944
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On August 25 2011 04:31 Kogan wrote: i think TLO and Sheth are better than the other 5 u mentioned Especially sheth, I don't think you can count him among those others considering how well he's been playing. | ||
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Skelephile
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On August 24 2011 02:50 Spiry wrote: Incontrol another 0-5? Sucks, he's deserves better ur right, he deserves to sit at home and watch becuase he sucks at starcraft | ||
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Froadac
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I don't think incontrol will go 0-5. He may not be the best of the best of the best, but he's certainly capable of taking sets off of anyone. Well, puma 1-1-1ing >.> | ||
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Therg
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AbztraK
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D is full of hard hitters. | ||
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Perseverance
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Mastermind
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The Final Boss
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On August 24 2011 16:16 userstupidname wrote: Voted A like many but it was a mistake.. after looking I noticed group C which is BEASTLY, DRG - TLO (Coming strongly(!) back after carpal syndrome) TESTER, SLUSH, AND SELECT WHO FINALLY have some momentum to show of his full potential, This group is by FAAR the hardest group where everyone is determined to win Idra just going to dominate his group :I I don't know if you've ever heard of this guy named Bomber, but I think he might stand a chance against IdrA. I mean, he's only considered to be one of the best Korean Terrans in the world... I doubt Machine or HayprO will stand much a chance against IdrA, and SjoW probably won't beat him either, but Bomber will most likely clean up that group. His play is so solid that I don't see any of those players beating him; plus he doesn't do idiotic things like IdrA. Every IdrA fanboy out there ready to flame me, listen up: he's great, he's super solid, and when he gets angry none of it matters. IdrA is a fantastic player, and if you gave him the mentality and determination of a Korean pro-gamer (basically if he kept his head up and kept fighting) he would dominate for sure. He just makes stupid decisions like going for the same stupid all-in against MC over and over or leaving a game early such as he did against HuK or MMA. Regarding Group C, I can tell you that I doubt TLO or SeleCT will do well. If they prove me wrong and put up incredible games, then I'll be just as happy as anyone else, but their record in Group play at the last two MLGs seems to support me when I predict that neither will do well in their groups. Honestly, with two players who have managed to go 1-4 or 0-5 two MLGs in a row in a single group, it's hard to look at a group and say "Wow, that's a really scary group of death." Granted having both TesteR AND DRG in a single group is kind of scary, and it makes me really look forward to their match. But honestly, I am willing to bet that DRG and TesteR will take first and second in that group. It's sort of the same with Group B where despite having some good talent, Bomber and IdrA will almost certainly take first and second. Group A and Group D both seem to have a lot more spread but still ridiculously talented players. Group A is near impossibly to predict since there's SOOOOO much talent and ability. Think of Group A like this: fourth or fifth place (or maybe both if iNcontrol do well!) will be HuK, NaNiwa, Rain, or CoCa. That is crazy scary. Same with D, where Sheth, NaDa, or Ret all could very well win their group. That's what really makes a group of death. On August 25 2011 00:50 GleaM wrote: Lol this is hilarious! But kinda sad and true... Koreans think 1-1-1 is too strong... and ZvP 3-4 hatch before gas is too strong... What does toss have at the highest level like this? I agree, that certainly would explain:
Honestly, outside of Korea, Protoss do well in every tournament (and even in Korea, last Code A was PvP finals and MC continues to dominate except when he gets cocky). And if your proof was the last MLG, the reason was that most of the Koreans there were Terran or Zerg. The two top placing non-Koreans were both Protoss ( HuK and NaNiwa) and the only two Korean Protoss were Alicia and Choya who both had to play through the Open Bracket. Now, why didn't they do better? Well Alicia lost to ToD twice and Choya lost to Tyler and iNcontroL. Please take note that all three of those players play Protoss, so you can't really cry imbalance. Really, I don't understand how suddenly Protoss is the weakest race in the game and if you try to say anything else you're an idiot who knows nothing about the game. Look at all that Green for Protoss above this. That's all Protoss players winning and succeeding despite the "imbalance" of the ENTIRE race. All those players are great, but frankly, I don't think a single one of them is SO mechanically talented or having such incredible game sense that despite playing through severe imbalances they still win tournaments. The game is not imbalanced. Stop complaining and saying stupid things like "Protoss will never win" because frankly outside of Korea, Protoss seem to consistently place if not win entire tournaments (I think that the reason why there's such a heavy Terran win percentage in the GSL is just simply due to the fact that there are more Terrans than there are any other race). | ||
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sporei
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akalarry
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i cant believe SO many of these guys STILL get seeded... mlg fix your shit wow... this is just getting pathetic. | ||
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cowww
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TheLetterQ
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Fyodor
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1) NaDa 2) Bomber 3) DRG 4) HuK 5) IdrA I think B on average will be hardest. | ||
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Purpose2
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Incontrol getting another 0-5 but it doesn't matter which group he's in for that. | ||
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ellirc
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UnholyRai
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TLO > Incontrol (Debateable, but TLO at his strongest is better than incontrol imo) Tester > Rain (Hard to argue against this one?) DRG > Coca (Sure Coca is Code S, but DRG is generally expected to finish higher in MLG, right?) Select > Huk (This will be debateable, but Select has crushed Huk last few times he has played him) Slush < Naniwa (OK so Naniwa is considered stronger than slush, but slush is very good and got top 5 MLG recently) So who wants to have a go at explaining why A is so much "harder" then C? | ||
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PlayX
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UnholyRai
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hiyo_bye
United States737 Posts
On August 26 2011 19:49 UnholyRai wrote: Voted C. Surprised to see it ranked lowest. Pound for pound lets compare C to A. TLO > Incontrol (Debateable, but TLO at his strongest is better than incontrol imo) Tester > Rain (Hard to argue against this one?) DRG > Coca (Sure Coca is Code S, but DRG is generally expected to finish higher in MLG, right?) Select > Huk (This will be debateable, but Select has crushed Huk last few times he has played him) Slush < Naniwa (OK so Naniwa is considered stronger than slush, but slush is very good and got top 5 MLG recently) So who wants to have a go at explaining why A is so much "harder" then C? I don't think your logic works. Your example can be easily manipulated like this: Nani > Slush Rain > Select Coca > Tester Huk > TLO Incontrol < DRG Plus, I would say Huk > Select anyway. It's like an example of two people who have three horses each, a fast one, a medium speed one, and a slow one. If they bet money on three races, you'd want to put your slowest horse against his fastest horse, your medium horse against his slowest horse, and your fastest horse against his medium horse, so that you'd win 2 out of 3. | ||
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Skyeye
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RyanRushia
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UnholyRai
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On August 26 2011 21:44 hiyo_bye wrote: I don't think your logic works. Your example can be easily manipulated like this: Nani > Slush Rain > Select Coca > Tester Huk > TLO Incontrol < DRG Plus, I would say Huk > Select anyway. It's like an example of two people who have three horses each, a fast one, a medium speed one, and a slow one. If they bet money on three races, you'd want to put your slowest horse against his fastest horse, your medium horse against his slowest horse, and your fastest horse against his medium horse, so that you'd win 2 out of 3. Interesting. I tried to match similar calibre players against each other. For example what is the point comparing DRG to incontrol? Notice how I matched players who were similar in skill/status/nationality. The reason why my logic is more accurate then yours is because its like comparing a fast horse on one team vs the fast horse on the other team, and likewise with likewise. | ||
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Devise
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On August 27 2011 01:15 UnholyRai wrote: Interesting. I tried to match similar calibre players against each other. For example what is the point comparing DRG to incontrol? Notice how I matched players who were similar in skill/status/nationality. The reason why my logic is more accurate then yours is because its like comparing a fast horse on one team vs the fast horse on the other team, and likewise with likewise. I agree, but i'd say it's pretty even. Top Korean DRG > CoCa 2nd Korean Tester = Rain (i'd say this is pretty even) Top Foreigner Select < HuK 2nd Foreigner Slush < Naniwa Last place TLO > Incontrol Ultimately It's hard to just compare the groups in 1v1 situations, I'd bet C is an overall stronger lineup, but A might win if it was 5 1v1s with matching players of equal caliber, nationality etc. | ||
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UnholyRai
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On August 27 2011 01:31 Devise wrote: I agree, but i'd say it's pretty even. Top Korean DRG > CoCa 2nd Korean Tester = Rain (i'd say this is pretty even) Top Foreigner Select < HuK 2nd Foreigner Slush < Naniwa Last place TLO > Incontrol Ultimately It's hard to just compare the groups in 1v1 situations, I'd bet C is an overall stronger lineup, but A might win if it was 5 1v1s with matching players of equal caliber, nationality etc. True. My ultimate point of my post was to call out the wack voting on this poll, which seems to suggest A is clearly the strongest group. | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On August 26 2011 16:40 Fyodor wrote: Top five players is like this IMO: 1) NaDa 2) Bomber 3) DRG 4) HuK 5) IdrA I think B on average will be hardest. I don't know about that. I think it would go more like this: 1. NaDa - Just a super solid Code S player who has managed to consistently stay on top (plus I think he won some games back in SC:BW, but I'm not sure.2. DongRaeGu - In the GSTL he's proven himself consistently as being one of the best Zergs in the world, plus his showing last MLG proved that he was a great player.3. Bomber - When Bomber plays his best, I think that he's the best player at this tournament. If we get the Bomber who played in the Code A finals against Mvp, he'll win the whole tournament; if we get the Bomber who lost Byun in Ro8 in GSL July.4. HuK - Currently the best foreigner in the world in my opinion and results. He's a great player who's proven in tournaments that he can beat the best players in the world in high pressure situations.5. This one's tough: it's a tossup between Rain, CoCa, TesteR, or NaNiwa All these players are great. Rain is a great player who has a lot of negativity directed towards him because everybody thought of him as a super cheesy player. However, his more recent performance has shown that he is completely capable of putting up great games. CoCa, TesteR, and NaNiwa are also all great players who could all do well.Players I didn't list: Ret, IdrA, SeleCTThose are players that other people would put in their top 5, but I disagree. IdrA is a great player, but just like Bomber and Rain sometimes, he has problems with his mental state and when it fails it fails hard. Ret is another player who could definitely do great, but his style is predictable so I'm not sure how well he'll do. SeleCT has consistently failed two MLGs in a row, and personally, in his case anyways, I doubt third time will be the charm. He's a great player, but he has continually failed at MLGs and the fact that after his last two performances that he's still even in the groups is sad and shows MLGs flawed system. | ||
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hiyo_bye
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On August 27 2011 01:15 UnholyRai wrote: Interesting. I tried to match similar calibre players against each other. For example what is the point comparing DRG to incontrol? Notice how I matched players who were similar in skill/status/nationality. The reason why my logic is more accurate then yours is because its like comparing a fast horse on one team vs the fast horse on the other team, and likewise with likewise. I still disagree with you. basically what I'm trying to say is using an example of comparing players 1 on 1 doesn't mean much because it's easy to change around and neither of our examples is useful. Plus the examples you put are not very clear and in each case it's very debatable. Also I don't think A is much harder than C; they're comparable. Though if you ignore TLO and Incontrol as they're unlikely to do much damage, I would prefer to be against DRG, Tester, Select, and Slush than CoCa HuK NaNi and Rain. In terms of achievement, I don't think this can be argued. | ||
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sympathize
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spravv
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MegaDuce
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On August 27 2011 11:10 hiyo_bye wrote: I still disagree with you. basically what I'm trying to say is using an example of comparing players 1 on 1 doesn't mean much because it's easy to change around and neither of our examples is useful. Plus the examples you put are not very clear and in each case it's very debatable. Also I don't think A is much harder than C; they're comparable. Though if you ignore TLO and Incontrol as they're unlikely to do much damage, I would prefer to be against DRG, Tester, Select, and Slush than CoCa HuK NaNi and Rain. In terms of achievement, I don't think this can be argued. Yeah I agree with hiyo_bye on this one. Your logic is really flawed and doesn't really produce any reliable information as it can be easily manipulated to make the end results seem different then they really are. Plus, I don't even agree with some of the comparisons you made. TLO has had medical issues for a while and his style has always been sort of gimmicky. TLO at his "best" means his opponent doesn't catch on to his odd, unorthodox style. He's good, but iNcontrol is better in my opinion. Rain is a play who in my personal opinion gets way too much hate from fans. The guy used to cheese all the time in the GSL, but last MLG his play really impressed me. It wasn't cheesy. It wasn't gimmicky. It was straight up, solid, macro. TesteR is a great player, and I think I would be willing to say that he's a better player, but it's certainly up for debate and you can definitely argue otherwise. TesteR's play has always been solid and great, but there have been times when it felt as if he was behind in the metagame. Maybe that's just me, but I think Rain and TesteR are actually pretty even. So everybody who hates on Rain saying all he knows how to do is 1 base all-ins stop hating. That being said TesteR's mind seems to be in better shape when he's on stage as opposed to Rain as he doesn't revert back to just cheesing as Rain has under pressure. I'm not sure if you've watched the GSL before, but CoCa's ZvP is some of the best in the world. His ZvT is pretty good too (not as good as DRG) and recently he got traded to SlayerS. On SlayerS his ZvT will definitely improve due to the plethora of practice partners to help him with that match-up. His only real problem is ZvZ; but the thing is, DRG has kryptonite too. His ZvP has caused him a lot of problems in the past, once losing to HerO in the final rounds of the Code A qualifiers and losing to JYP in the GSL Code A Ro16. It's a tough call who's better, but honestly due to CoCa's new team and the fact that he's actually Code S, I would say he's as scary as DRG in a group. Plus, CoCa is in a group with A LOT of Protoss and no Zergs while DRG has to go up against 2 Protoss (and he's already lost to TesteR). SeleCT is NOT better then HuK. I'm not even a HuK fan, but HuK is ridiculously talented and has had much better performances at MLGs (anyone else remember SeleCT's play at the last two MLGs, he doesn't even deserve the spot he continuously gets, but in hindsight his performance this MLG has been great so far and hopefully it continues to be great. And what do you mean "Select has crushed Huk last few times he has played him"? The last games they played SeleCT won a Bo3 2-0 while HuK was going through a really stressful time + Show Spoiler + Before that, the last time they encountered each other was a Bo5 that HuK won (I looked it up, here's their match-ups: SeleCT vs HuK record). So using that single Bo3 to justify your statement really doesn't mean anything at all. The only way you can argue that SeleCT is better then HuK is that HuK recently has been going through a lot between traveling and his practice is probably not epitomized since he's on a new team. So, after thinking about your comparisons (which, mind you is a flawed system of analyzing two groups): iNcontrol > TLO Rain < TesteR CoCa = DRG HuK > SeleCT NaNiwa > Slush (I agree with you that NaNiwa is better then Slush, though Slush is really good) Now by your logic I just proved that Pool A is scarier then Pool C with Pool A having a score of 3-1 with a tie between the Korean Zergs. That being said, your logic is stupid and is based solely on your personal opinions of players. A better way of looking at it is looking at players accomplishments. The number of major tournament wins by Pool C's players isn't any where near that of Pool A. I mean, think of it like this: SeleCT has come in second at multiple MLGs and in the last two MLGs his play has been so bad that in any tournament setting that wasn't as stupid as MLG he'd be playing through the Open Bracket. HuK and NaNiwa have both WON MLGs; and frankly when you're looking at how successful a player is, Gold is a hell of a lot better looking then Silver (there's a reason that BoxeR is more well known then YellOw (<3 YellOw Project A is awesome and gl hf Storm Zerg)). DRG, despite his success in the GSTL and the fact that he won the LG Cinema 3D tournament or whatever it's called, he is still Code A. CoCa, HuK, and Rain all have played through Code A and have played in Code S. Now I'll use better logic to prove why Pool A is the hardest pool: Rain: Code S player, GSL Open Season 3 Runner-Up, plus his performance last MLG was incredible.iNcontroL: Compared to the rest of the members of this group, he's the weakest player (sorry iNcontrol ), but he's still a fantastic player.CoCa: Code S player who has proven that his ZvP is some of the best in the world (just go find any game of him in the GSL that is ZvP)HuK: The only foreigner in Code S who is currently in the Ro8 as well as winning a lot of stuff (DH, MLG, HsCIII)NaNiwa: The last MLG Champion before Koreans dominated it and has also consistently done better then almost any foreigner at MLGs this year.That's why it's scarier. | ||
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jkay
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X3GoldDot
Malaysia3840 Posts
B is just going to be bomber vs idra... C is pretty much DRGs game with slush or tester at second. D is kiwi vs ret. B is hardest, but A is the most interesting. | ||
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jstar
Canada568 Posts
On August 28 2011 16:31 X3GoldDot wrote: A has the most equal players in terms of skill. Wtf. You mean excluding Incontrol? | ||
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