EPTMLG Raleigh hardest pool? - Page 8
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The Final Boss
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On August 27 2011 11:10 hiyo_bye wrote: I still disagree with you. basically what I'm trying to say is using an example of comparing players 1 on 1 doesn't mean much because it's easy to change around and neither of our examples is useful. Plus the examples you put are not very clear and in each case it's very debatable. Also I don't think A is much harder than C; they're comparable. Though if you ignore TLO and Incontrol as they're unlikely to do much damage, I would prefer to be against DRG, Tester, Select, and Slush than CoCa HuK NaNi and Rain. In terms of achievement, I don't think this can be argued. Yeah I agree with hiyo_bye on this one. Your logic is really flawed and doesn't really produce any reliable information as it can be easily manipulated to make the end results seem different then they really are. Plus, I don't even agree with some of the comparisons you made. TLO has had medical issues for a while and his style has always been sort of gimmicky. TLO at his "best" means his opponent doesn't catch on to his odd, unorthodox style. He's good, but iNcontrol is better in my opinion. Rain is a play who in my personal opinion gets way too much hate from fans. The guy used to cheese all the time in the GSL, but last MLG his play really impressed me. It wasn't cheesy. It wasn't gimmicky. It was straight up, solid, macro. TesteR is a great player, and I think I would be willing to say that he's a better player, but it's certainly up for debate and you can definitely argue otherwise. TesteR's play has always been solid and great, but there have been times when it felt as if he was behind in the metagame. Maybe that's just me, but I think Rain and TesteR are actually pretty even. So everybody who hates on Rain saying all he knows how to do is 1 base all-ins stop hating. That being said TesteR's mind seems to be in better shape when he's on stage as opposed to Rain as he doesn't revert back to just cheesing as Rain has under pressure. I'm not sure if you've watched the GSL before, but CoCa's ZvP is some of the best in the world. His ZvT is pretty good too (not as good as DRG) and recently he got traded to SlayerS. On SlayerS his ZvT will definitely improve due to the plethora of practice partners to help him with that match-up. His only real problem is ZvZ; but the thing is, DRG has kryptonite too. His ZvP has caused him a lot of problems in the past, once losing to HerO in the final rounds of the Code A qualifiers and losing to JYP in the GSL Code A Ro16. It's a tough call who's better, but honestly due to CoCa's new team and the fact that he's actually Code S, I would say he's as scary as DRG in a group. Plus, CoCa is in a group with A LOT of Protoss and no Zergs while DRG has to go up against 2 Protoss (and he's already lost to TesteR). SeleCT is NOT better then HuK. I'm not even a HuK fan, but HuK is ridiculously talented and has had much better performances at MLGs (anyone else remember SeleCT's play at the last two MLGs, he doesn't even deserve the spot he continuously gets, but in hindsight his performance this MLG has been great so far and hopefully it continues to be great. And what do you mean "Select has crushed Huk last few times he has played him"? The last games they played SeleCT won a Bo3 2-0 while HuK was going through a really stressful time + Show Spoiler + Before that, the last time they encountered each other was a Bo5 that HuK won (I looked it up, here's their match-ups: SeleCT vs HuK record). So using that single Bo3 to justify your statement really doesn't mean anything at all. The only way you can argue that SeleCT is better then HuK is that HuK recently has been going through a lot between traveling and his practice is probably not epitomized since he's on a new team. So, after thinking about your comparisons (which, mind you is a flawed system of analyzing two groups): iNcontrol > TLO Rain < TesteR CoCa = DRG HuK > SeleCT NaNiwa > Slush (I agree with you that NaNiwa is better then Slush, though Slush is really good) Now by your logic I just proved that Pool A is scarier then Pool C with Pool A having a score of 3-1 with a tie between the Korean Zergs. That being said, your logic is stupid and is based solely on your personal opinions of players. A better way of looking at it is looking at players accomplishments. The number of major tournament wins by Pool C's players isn't any where near that of Pool A. I mean, think of it like this: SeleCT has come in second at multiple MLGs and in the last two MLGs his play has been so bad that in any tournament setting that wasn't as stupid as MLG he'd be playing through the Open Bracket. HuK and NaNiwa have both WON MLGs; and frankly when you're looking at how successful a player is, Gold is a hell of a lot better looking then Silver (there's a reason that BoxeR is more well known then YellOw (<3 YellOw Project A is awesome and gl hf Storm Zerg)). DRG, despite his success in the GSTL and the fact that he won the LG Cinema 3D tournament or whatever it's called, he is still Code A. CoCa, HuK, and Rain all have played through Code A and have played in Code S. Now I'll use better logic to prove why Pool A is the hardest pool:  Rain: Code S player, GSL Open Season 3 Runner-Up, plus his performance last MLG was incredible. iNcontroL: Compared to the rest of the members of this group, he's the weakest player (sorry iNcontrol  ), but he's still a fantastic player. CoCa: Code S player who has proven that his ZvP is some of the best in the world (just go find any game of him in the GSL that is ZvP)HuK: The only foreigner in Code S who is currently in the Ro8 as well as winning a lot of stuff (DH, MLG, HsCIII)NaNiwa: The last MLG Champion before Koreans dominated it and has also consistently done better then almost any foreigner at MLGs this year.That's why it's scarier. | ||
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jkay
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X3GoldDot
Malaysia3840 Posts
B is just going to be bomber vs idra... C is pretty much DRGs game with slush or tester at second. D is kiwi vs ret. B is hardest, but A is the most interesting. | ||
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jstar
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On August 28 2011 16:31 X3GoldDot wrote: A has the most equal players in terms of skill. Wtf. You mean excluding Incontrol? | ||
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