EPTPower Rank 08/11/2011 - Page 8
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
Congrats to KT, they have a great man in the team. | ||
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champignones
Panama160 Posts
On August 19 2011 22:57 arbiter_md wrote: Flash - number 1 at least till November! After the surgery we shall see. Congrats to KT, they have a great man in the team. a great man? they have jesus in their team | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 19 2011 22:57 arbiter_md wrote: Congrats to KT, they have a great man in the team. Yes they do, long live HoeJJa  | ||
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champignones
Panama160 Posts
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
I wouldn't say Hoejja's is just a man, he's the Hand of the | ||
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mnesthes
5433 Posts
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champignones
Panama160 Posts
On August 20 2011 00:18 mnesthes wrote: We should just take Flash's win for granted and recognize Hoejja as the real MVP. His was the first win in the series and undoubtedly couldn't have been a more inspiring one. i think all kt players did they job, if hoejja win and flash loose, then that would have been a loss anyway, remeber flash sniped two players, thou it was the same guy. and stats , you should not forget him, his sairs were the hero of the game. | ||
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KristianJS
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
Flash 1st unless he just rolls over in ind. leagues. | ||
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ligas
81 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:01 champignones wrote: a great man? they have jesus in their team didnt he retire? i think he's studying for priesthood. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7834 Posts
Bisu dominates all season... and at the end, with the season on the line, steps down for BeSt? Coaching staff should be blamed, but so should Bisu. | ||
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agarangu
Chile274 Posts
On August 21 2011 00:42 Vasoline73 wrote: I feel like Bisu should drop in the next PR. His team not choosing him for ace speaks volumes to me about his power level... ie, not near Flash's or even Zero's. Zero stepped up in his ace match... and his team believed in him. Bisu dominates all season... and at the end, with the season on the line, steps down for BeSt? Coaching staff should be blamed, but so should Bisu. I agree- I was really surprised when I saw Best prepare for the last match... I was totally expecting Bisu to play that game. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On August 19 2011 10:45 Crisium wrote: I didn't mean to make it seem like "they can't win without hydra busts". What I'm saying is that these ZerO and SK can win a ZvP in a multitude of ways. But the hydra bust is the tried and true format that you use in the playoffs cause this shit is serious. And frankly their ZvP prowess is not relevant in this discussion. They are artists (more so ZerO) in ZvP in that they can win at any point in the game and try multiple strategies. But when they need a no-nonsense win, they Hydra break because it is so absurdly good. Think about the three non-mirror matches. What other race has this kind of timing attacking that can come at several different times in the early-mid game and has such a high win rate? And even if it doesn't work, can be transitioned out of as long as you did good damage. That is the power of Z>P. Zerg's fear of M&M timing attacks cannot even compare to the early-mid game vulnerability of Protoss to Hydralisks. I stand behind the statement that ZvP is the most imbalanced matchup, and the OSL and SPL Playoffs have agreed with me, imo. Over the past year Protoss players have changed their timing very slightly. Hydra busts work so well right now because the Zerg players have figured out the Protoss timing. A failed hydra bust doesn't leave the game 50/50. It allows the game to still be winnable but it puts you at a serious disadvantage if you don't at least make him hurt. In the long run over SC history, ZvP probably is the most imbalanced. At this exact moment it is probably the most imbalanced. But there are huge swaths of history where it wasn't. There are times the TvZ balance has been far worse. At one point the top Zerg was July and he was struggling to maintain 50% ZvT while you had 4 or 5 guys over 70% TvZ, and this was back before SPL became so big -- a large portion of those wins were earned in tournaments. That's why some of us are still gay for Savior after the shit he pulled. And the PvT balance has tended to be pretty steady with P>T except at the very tippy-top level, where for some reason the S-class Terrans have tended to be able to reverse the balance. On August 19 2011 13:33 bearbuddy wrote: I actually think that the problem lies with scouting(hence Bisu's incredible PvZ winning rate). Toss pretty much always open Stargate, despite the fact that zergs go hydra first most of the time. The threat of mutalisk instantly winning the game without proper defense is just too high. But with proper opening, the toss can respond appropriately. On the other hand, Terran has scan and Zerg has the overlord parked over the cliff near the nat. Toss is caught playing the guessing game until the sair come out, and it's too late to do anything against the 3 hatch timing. This is a huge part of Bisu's success, but I think the scouting issue is incorporated into the balance of the match-up. In Bisu's case, his corsair micro is incomparably better than anybody else's. On August 21 2011 01:59 agarangu wrote: I agree- I was really surprised when I saw Best prepare for the last match... I was totally expecting Bisu to play that game. That doesn't mean as much as you think. I think it was a bad call by SKT1. I think they were putting too much stock in the fact that Best had a winning record against Flash and that Best had beaten Flash on that particular map before. But Flash is still Flash, and if for some reason KT hadn't sent Flash then Best would have lost, 80+% guarantee. That said, Bisu has gone through yet ANOTHER month against easy opponents. This is seriously growing old. | ||
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Keone
United States812 Posts
And I would die to see Reach on the PR... even though he didn't play... he's just too awesome | ||
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agarangu
Chile274 Posts
On August 21 2011 02:42 Mortality wrote: That doesn't mean as much as you think. I think it was a bad call by SKT1. I think they were putting too much stock in the fact that Best had a winning record against Flash and that Best had beaten Flash on that particular map before. But Flash is still Flash, and if for some reason KT hadn't sent Flash then Best would have lost, 80+% guarantee. That said, Bisu has gone through yet ANOTHER month against easy opponents. This is seriously growing old. I also think it was a bad call to send Best as ace, but not for the same reason. I mean, Flash is the only consistent player in KT, even though Stats has awaken in the Playoffs showing great games, he sometimes also plays terrible. I think Flash was the only reliable option for the ace match. But sending (and probably training) Best to snipe Flash instead of sending and preparing Bisu, who has a similar record vs terran overall and a better record this season, and who could defeat Flash in a big stage this year, just seems crazy. I mean, he prepared a BO for the WL finals and it worked. And this map is also Protoss favored, so I think SKT's best shot would have been doing the same, since they had not reliable player to snipe Flash. + Show Spoiler + Btw, I've seen every game KT has played this year, I'm not trolling or anything | ||
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Yodo
Russian Federation327 Posts
That doesn't mean as much as you think. Actually it means. It means that SKT coach has no trust in Bisu. And as a player I would be frustrated. I believe, Bisu was pissed off by this decision (and any player with ambition should be). | ||
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jackknight
United States51 Posts
On August 11 2011 23:36 flamewheel wrote: Close but No Cigar  HoeJJaFor the past few months, HoeJJa has suddenly decided to go into beast mode. Yes, after getting knocked out of his MST group he's in neither individual league. However, he has been instrumental in KT's success in making it to the SPL Grand Final, winning five of his seven matches. It's interesting to say this, but a good deal of KT's chance at gold right now depends on HoeJJa winning his match in the final. flamewheel needs more credit for his unbelievable predicting skill! | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7834 Posts
On August 21 2011 05:05 jackknight wrote: flamewheel needs more credit for his unbelievable predicting skill! Yeah down 0-2 and playing a matchup he isn't really known for (I would say his worst despite his vT win percentage) his win was super critical for KT's moral... and looking back, KT not losing 0-4 without playing Flash or Stats... lol. I MEAN DID WE REALLY WANT ACTION as our only hope!? | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On August 21 2011 00:42 Vasoline73 wrote: I feel like Bisu should drop in the next PR. His team not choosing him for ace speaks volumes to me about his power level... ie, not near Flash's or even Zero's. Zero stepped up in his ace match... and his team believed in him. Bisu dominates all season... and at the end, with the season on the line, steps down for BeSt? Coaching staff should be blamed, but so should Bisu. I agree. A lot of people just blame the coach but isn't this an indicator of Bisu's PvT skill? I mean when was the last time he beat a top T with a straight up build? | ||
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