EPTI also don't know how a few wins over easy opponents in PL is supposed to be more valuable than an MSL title earned the same month. None of Bisu's opponents are on PR, only one is even on CBNC, and Bisu lost that match. Even if Flash won "only" 60% last month, he was doing so against the hardest competition anybody played. Only 4 opponents (out of 15 games) were not PR/CBNC. Flash dropped 2 games to "weak" opponents. Bisu also dropped 2 games to a "weak" opponent... and did not beat anybody on PR or CBNC. Bisu's best win was over a slumping Hiya, whose vP ELO is now less than hyvaa's because of his current slump. FAIL
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
I also don't know how a few wins over easy opponents in PL is supposed to be more valuable than an MSL title earned the same month. None of Bisu's opponents are on PR, only one is even on CBNC, and Bisu lost that match. Even if Flash won "only" 60% last month, he was doing so against the hardest competition anybody played. Only 4 opponents (out of 15 games) were not PR/CBNC. Flash dropped 2 games to "weak" opponents. Bisu also dropped 2 games to a "weak" opponent... and did not beat anybody on PR or CBNC. Bisu's best win was over a slumping Hiya, whose vP ELO is now less than hyvaa's because of his current slump. FAIL | ||
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Dakkas
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On July 02 2011 22:50 baubo wrote: Preach on, brotha! PR writers have been F***ing with Sea and Leta for too long!!! I demand they be ranked #2 and #3 behind the almighty Bisu in the next PR to make up for all the injustice done to them in the name of "Starleague is also important". Sea in particular should always be automatic top 5 for continuing to win with such amazing practice partners as failhoon and hyun. Leta being ranked #1 was probably the worst travesty in the PR's history imo | ||
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On July 03 2011 03:49 Yxes2211 wrote: As convincing as Bisu's PL stats are and amazing as his play is... you'd think that some of that skill would carry over to SL. Simply put, either Bisu is greatly relying on the coaching staff for his PL results or he just totally freaks out in SLs. I'm inclined to believe the first just because I don't see how Bisu can have that level of nervousness in prelims. I don't think he plays worse in SL. The problem is he doesn't play better. As good as Flash is in PL, when he plays in SL he steps his game up another level. Flash is clutch. So is Jaedong. So was NaDa, and Savior, and Boxer, and Oov. Bisu is not clutch. When you're an S-rank player everyone is going to study your game. You need to step it up. Bisu doesn't. | ||
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ZBiR
Poland1092 Posts
On July 03 2011 04:25 Mindcrime wrote: Leta being ranked #1 was probably the worst travesty in the PR's history imo Definitely. | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
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VGhost
United States3616 Posts
Having gone back to find the rank in question, I'd have to disagree. Of course, that PR itself was kind of dumb, being a two-week stop-gap measure to get the thing back on schedule, but taking Leta up to #1 when he had a 3-kill and a couple nice MSL wins (okay, one nice MSL win and a trouncing of  Hyuk) to his credit isn't, honestly, that unreasonable. Unfortunately, it's a little harder to tell who else might have deserved it (Bisu? on the whole month of January, maybe Luxury or Jaedong?), but looking over the game lists (start here near the bottom) for those two weeks, plus looking at the previous PR, why was Leta such a travesty? In retrospect (i.e. after he threw away the series vs. Lux), a bad choice since you expect #1 to keep winning at least a little, but given the circumstances, hardly a travesty.You want to talk travesty, the worst one I can think if is the "Hi, I don't think I can put a 6-2 Flash who's on track to win GOM on the PR AT ALL because he lost to Kwanro and in fact I'm going to ignore his GOM games completely" incident. Oh, and putting type.b on the PR when he had that flukey OSL run. That was kind of bad too. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 03 2011 05:07 FranzF1 wrote: Why do you always leave Horang2 outside, not even CBNC... he is doing better than Movie IMO, he only lost to Jangbi (freaking god of SC) and Hoejja (lucky guy somehow winning for first time in his life). He is doing better than Movie, yeah he lost on ODT but still. I take offense to this considering how nastily Hoejja crushed Horang2. >:[ On July 03 2011 04:25 Mindcrime wrote: Leta being ranked #1 was probably the worst travesty in the PR's history imo http://www.teamliquid.net/powerrank/index.php?prid=28 By far the most controversial, and probably worst, rank imo. Putting TheZerg on instead of Calm entirely because "SKT is a more dominant force in proleague," Putting Zero above JD, the Bisu Fantasy 1&2 rank with him being an SKT fan. The Dogspa joke thing which was timely but upset a lot of people etc. The Leta rank was wrong, but this rank was just downright bonkers. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
Flash at #1 could be justified, but Flamewheel really didn't do it. I don't mean to insult him, but the way it was done is essentially what a fanboy could say to justify a loss streak: "He won all this stuff before, his losses don't matter and if you disagree you are a hater," entirely ignoring that the relevance of those previous events fades over time. In a month when it's not so clear cut, a little more should be written. I'm sure Flash fans could agree with that. Also, why is KeSPA a dog? | ||
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VGhost
United States3616 Posts
We all know his PL month was kind of bad - but except for the loss to Hydra, those games absolutely didn't matter, except maybe to KT's psychological edge. What did matter, what was this huge accomplishment, what absolutely cements him as the best, most skilled (objectively, not relatively) Starcraft player in history (to date), was a sixth title. Tying Nada. Golden Badge. Thrashing an A+ class player playing at a S-class level 3-0 after doing the same to another one. Sure, flamewheel could have come out and said that - but the graphic says it just as efficiently. Flash is #1 based on his Starleague title and past history. That's pretty much it. And it's obvious enough it shouldn't need a big blurb explaining it. It's astounding how little fanfare Flash's accomplishment has gotten, considering its magnitude. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4732 Posts
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Zaxro
United States261 Posts
On July 03 2011 07:20 Lightwip wrote: Wow, there's way more controversy in this rank than I expected there would be. Flash at #1 could be justified, but Flamewheel really didn't do it. I don't mean to insult him, but the way it was done is essentially what a fanboy could say to justify a loss streak: "He won all this stuff before, his losses don't matter and if you disagree you are a hater," entirely ignoring that the relevance of those previous events fades over time. In a month when it's not so clear cut, a little more should be written. I'm sure Flash fans could agree with that. Also, why is KeSPA a dog? Flamewheel used the only justification you need for Flash to be #1 He won the MSL this month and tied Nada by doing it. He tied the greatest player of all time in Starleague victories, surely that is enough to get him #1 for the month he achieved it at least. I am not a Flash fan at all but this is very clear cut. Quite frankly Flamewheel could have done a "Don't even try to argue with this one" and I would have been fine with it. Just because Bisu fans are delusional doesn't mean that Flash is not the clear #1. He demolished two of the top 3 zergs 6-0 with absurdly good play to win that final. A post-finals PL slump is not enough to take away his enormous achievement this month. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On July 03 2011 07:20 Lightwip wrote: Also, why is KeSPA a dog? Its a way to insult KeSPA, by spelling 케스파 as 개스파. 개 (ge) is the korean word for dog. | ||
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Geniuszerg
Canada454 Posts
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Zhul
Czech Republic430 Posts
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Ravencruiser
Canada519 Posts
On July 02 2011 04:31 flamewheel wrote: And apparently you've never read anything by Scott Adams, I guess. Way to avoid addressing all questions, and misquoting / replying to well thought out posts with 1 liners. Although I don't agree with some of the rankings, I was on your side initially. You're just a person fallible to your own subjectiveness, but when you're so defensive and dismiss/avoid every question/criticism/whatever addressed to you as "bitching", then I have to say that you're a terrible, terrible, PR writer. Unlike streamers, gratefulness is irrelevant because well, it is the PR and tons of people would be eager to become the next PR writer. So here's to hoping to someone else replacing you soon. | ||
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aupstar
Australia912 Posts
On July 03 2011 09:30 Ravencruiser wrote: Way to avoid addressing all questions, and misquoting / replying to well thought out posts with 1 liners. Although I don't agree with some of the rankings, I was on your side initially. You're just a person fallible to your own subjectiveness, but when you're so defensive and dismiss/avoid every question/criticism/whatever addressed to you as "bitching", then I have to say that you're a terrible, terrible, PR writer. Unlike streamers, gratefulness is irrelevant because well, it is the PR and tons of people would be eager to become the next PR writer. So here's to hoping to someone else replacing you soon. I don't think he has an obligation to write a page reply to every little criticism he gets. Besides, he's the best PR writer we've had by far for the longest time. I can hardly see anything wrong with the way he's ranked the players. Only the Bisu fans are having a hard time digesting that their favourite player finds it impossible to break into an SL and so does not deserve a higher spot in the rankings. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
You want to be the best player, you have to do well in both SL and PL thats it, both Hydra and Jaedong did decent in their respective PL and cruised through the ODT, and they are both MSL semi-finalists. | ||
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