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Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
July 02 2011 18:03 GMT
#161
I don't know what dream world this is where 80% wins in PL is worth more than 2 SL titles. Sounds like someone is living in a fantasy world. Funny though, while we're talking about Bisu's 80% wins in PL are we going to forget Flash has 76% wins? Is that also worth 2 SL titles? So then Flash has 3 SL titles worth of achievement to Bisu's 2? Logic = FAIL

I also don't know how a few wins over easy opponents in PL is supposed to be more valuable than an MSL title earned the same month. None of Bisu's opponents are on PR, only one is even on CBNC, and Bisu lost that match. Even if Flash won "only" 60% last month, he was doing so against the hardest competition anybody played. Only 4 opponents (out of 15 games) were not PR/CBNC. Flash dropped 2 games to "weak" opponents. Bisu also dropped 2 games to a "weak" opponent... and did not beat anybody on PR or CBNC. Bisu's best win was over a slumping Hiya, whose vP ELO is now less than hyvaa's because of his current slump. FAIL
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
July 02 2011 18:19 GMT
#162
All this Bisu fan-wank makes me ashamed to be a T1 and Bisu supporter. Seriously guys, just drop it
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
July 02 2011 18:49 GMT
#163
As convincing as Bisu's PL stats are and amazing as his play is... you'd think that some of that skill would carry over to SL. Simply put, either Bisu is greatly relying on the coaching staff for his PL results or he just totally freaks out in SLs. I'm inclined to believe the first just because I don't see how Bisu can have that level of nervousness in prelims.
Jaedong and Baby
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
July 02 2011 19:25 GMT
#164
On July 02 2011 22:50 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 21:15 vaMpYr wrote:
proleague is here all year , everyday ( or almost ) . its continually a part of landscape of SC . it has become more and more important above the years , its not like it was years ago . the first big proleague was the MBC vs SKT grand final in 2006 where sea exploded to the world for the only time of his life . after this , proleague became bigger and bigger . and now proleague is THE competition of SC . a korean's friend of me really confirmed that to me . OSL and MSL are not what it was in the early years , now its about PL . yes sure , OSL and MSL are still very important and very prestigious , but proleague is now more . its everyday , korea live with it everyday . with a large bigger media coverage than 5 - 6 years ago . 80% of the TV SC games in korea are now in SPL . so give it credit . im not making publicity stunt here , but i think you all are underrating the importance of SPL .


Preach on, brotha!

PR writers have been F***ing with Sea and Leta for too long!!! I demand they be ranked #2 and #3 behind the almighty Bisu in the next PR to make up for all the injustice done to them in the name of "Starleague is also important". Sea in particular should always be automatic top 5 for continuing to win with such amazing practice partners as failhoon and hyun.


Leta being ranked #1 was probably the worst travesty in the PR's history imo
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
July 02 2011 20:07 GMT
#165
Why do you always leave Horang2 outside, not even CBNC... he is doing better than Movie IMO, he only lost to Jangbi (freaking god of SC) and Hoejja (lucky guy somehow winning for first time in his life). He is doing better than Movie, yeah he lost on ODT but still.
Member #99999^99 of the fanclub of Grape, Reality and TurN
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
July 02 2011 20:14 GMT
#166
On July 03 2011 03:49 Yxes2211 wrote:
As convincing as Bisu's PL stats are and amazing as his play is... you'd think that some of that skill would carry over to SL. Simply put, either Bisu is greatly relying on the coaching staff for his PL results or he just totally freaks out in SLs. I'm inclined to believe the first just because I don't see how Bisu can have that level of nervousness in prelims.


I don't think he plays worse in SL. The problem is he doesn't play better. As good as Flash is in PL, when he plays in SL he steps his game up another level. Flash is clutch. So is Jaedong. So was NaDa, and Savior, and Boxer, and Oov. Bisu is not clutch. When you're an S-rank player everyone is going to study your game. You need to step it up. Bisu doesn't.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
July 02 2011 20:51 GMT
#167
On July 03 2011 04:25 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 22:50 baubo wrote:
On July 02 2011 21:15 vaMpYr wrote:
proleague is here all year , everyday ( or almost ) . its continually a part of landscape of SC . it has become more and more important above the years , its not like it was years ago . the first big proleague was the MBC vs SKT grand final in 2006 where sea exploded to the world for the only time of his life . after this , proleague became bigger and bigger . and now proleague is THE competition of SC . a korean's friend of me really confirmed that to me . OSL and MSL are not what it was in the early years , now its about PL . yes sure , OSL and MSL are still very important and very prestigious , but proleague is now more . its everyday , korea live with it everyday . with a large bigger media coverage than 5 - 6 years ago . 80% of the TV SC games in korea are now in SPL . so give it credit . im not making publicity stunt here , but i think you all are underrating the importance of SPL .


Preach on, brotha!

PR writers have been F***ing with Sea and Leta for too long!!! I demand they be ranked #2 and #3 behind the almighty Bisu in the next PR to make up for all the injustice done to them in the name of "Starleague is also important". Sea in particular should always be automatic top 5 for continuing to win with such amazing practice partners as failhoon and hyun.


Leta being ranked #1 was probably the worst travesty in the PR's history imo

Definitely.
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 21:11:03
July 02 2011 21:10 GMT
#168
how dare you not put soulkey on the CBNC... T_T
Writer
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3621 Posts
July 02 2011 21:33 GMT
#169
On July 03 2011 05:51 ZBiR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 04:25 Mindcrime wrote:
On July 02 2011 22:50 baubo wrote:
On July 02 2011 21:15 vaMpYr wrote:
proleague is here all year , everyday ( or almost ) . its continually a part of landscape of SC . it has become more and more important above the years , its not like it was years ago . the first big proleague was the MBC vs SKT grand final in 2006 where sea exploded to the world for the only time of his life . after this , proleague became bigger and bigger . and now proleague is THE competition of SC . a korean's friend of me really confirmed that to me . OSL and MSL are not what it was in the early years , now its about PL . yes sure , OSL and MSL are still very important and very prestigious , but proleague is now more . its everyday , korea live with it everyday . with a large bigger media coverage than 5 - 6 years ago . 80% of the TV SC games in korea are now in SPL . so give it credit . im not making publicity stunt here , but i think you all are underrating the importance of SPL .


Preach on, brotha!

PR writers have been F***ing with Sea and Leta for too long!!! I demand they be ranked #2 and #3 behind the almighty Bisu in the next PR to make up for all the injustice done to them in the name of "Starleague is also important". Sea in particular should always be automatic top 5 for continuing to win with such amazing practice partners as failhoon and hyun.


Leta being ranked #1 was probably the worst travesty in the PR's history imo

Definitely.


Having gone back to find the rank in question, I'd have to disagree.

Of course, that PR itself was kind of dumb, being a two-week stop-gap measure to get the thing back on schedule, but taking Leta up to #1 when he had a 3-kill and a couple nice MSL wins (okay, one nice MSL win and a trouncing of (Z)Hyuk) to his credit isn't, honestly, that unreasonable. Unfortunately, it's a little harder to tell who else might have deserved it (Bisu? on the whole month of January, maybe Luxury or Jaedong?), but looking over the game lists (start here near the bottom) for those two weeks, plus looking at the previous PR, why was Leta such a travesty? In retrospect (i.e. after he threw away the series vs. Lux), a bad choice since you expect #1 to keep winning at least a little, but given the circumstances, hardly a travesty.

You want to talk travesty, the worst one I can think if is the "Hi, I don't think I can put a 6-2 Flash who's on track to win GOM on the PR AT ALL because he lost to Kwanro and in fact I'm going to ignore his GOM games completely" incident.

Oh, and putting type.b on the PR when he had that flukey OSL run. That was kind of bad too.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 22:05:17
July 02 2011 21:58 GMT
#170
On July 03 2011 05:07 FranzF1 wrote:
Why do you always leave Horang2 outside, not even CBNC... he is doing better than Movie IMO, he only lost to Jangbi (freaking god of SC) and Hoejja (lucky guy somehow winning for first time in his life). He is doing better than Movie, yeah he lost on ODT but still.


I take offense to this considering how nastily Hoejja crushed Horang2. >:[

On July 03 2011 04:25 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 22:50 baubo wrote:
On July 02 2011 21:15 vaMpYr wrote:
proleague is here all year , everyday ( or almost ) . its continually a part of landscape of SC . it has become more and more important above the years , its not like it was years ago . the first big proleague was the MBC vs SKT grand final in 2006 where sea exploded to the world for the only time of his life . after this , proleague became bigger and bigger . and now proleague is THE competition of SC . a korean's friend of me really confirmed that to me . OSL and MSL are not what it was in the early years , now its about PL . yes sure , OSL and MSL are still very important and very prestigious , but proleague is now more . its everyday , korea live with it everyday . with a large bigger media coverage than 5 - 6 years ago . 80% of the TV SC games in korea are now in SPL . so give it credit . im not making publicity stunt here , but i think you all are underrating the importance of SPL .


Preach on, brotha!

PR writers have been F***ing with Sea and Leta for too long!!! I demand they be ranked #2 and #3 behind the almighty Bisu in the next PR to make up for all the injustice done to them in the name of "Starleague is also important". Sea in particular should always be automatic top 5 for continuing to win with such amazing practice partners as failhoon and hyun.


Leta being ranked #1 was probably the worst travesty in the PR's history imo

http://www.teamliquid.net/powerrank/index.php?prid=28

By far the most controversial, and probably worst, rank imo. Putting TheZerg on instead of Calm entirely because "SKT is a more dominant force in proleague," Putting Zero above JD, the Bisu Fantasy 1&2 rank with him being an SKT fan. The Dogspa joke thing which was timely but upset a lot of people etc. The Leta rank was wrong, but this rank was just downright bonkers.
Remember Violet.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 02 2011 22:20 GMT
#171
Wow, there's way more controversy in this rank than I expected there would be.
Flash at #1 could be justified, but Flamewheel really didn't do it. I don't mean to insult him, but the way it was done is essentially what a fanboy could say to justify a loss streak: "He won all this stuff before, his losses don't matter and if you disagree you are a hater," entirely ignoring that the relevance of those previous events fades over time. In a month when it's not so clear cut, a little more should be written. I'm sure Flash fans could agree with that.

Also, why is KeSPA a dog?
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-03 19:11:03
July 02 2011 22:29 GMT
#172
I really don't understand (and as TBLS go I tend to root Stork > Jaedong > Flash > Bisu, just so we're clear) why Flash's #1 rank is generating controversy.

We all know his PL month was kind of bad - but except for the loss to Hydra, those games absolutely didn't matter, except maybe to KT's psychological edge.

What did matter, what was this huge accomplishment, what absolutely cements him as the best, most skilled (objectively, not relatively) Starcraft player in history (to date), was a sixth title. Tying Nada. Golden Badge. Thrashing an A+ class player playing at a S-class level 3-0 after doing the same to another one.

Sure, flamewheel could have come out and said that - but the graphic says it just as efficiently. Flash is #1 based on his Starleague title and past history. That's pretty much it. And it's obvious enough it shouldn't need a big blurb explaining it. It's astounding how little fanfare Flash's accomplishment has gotten, considering its magnitude.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
July 02 2011 22:44 GMT
#173
I don't even understand why you guys are writing replays to vampyr, it's as useless as telling GG.nore that Jaedong is not the second incarnation of Jesus or assuming that in Superarcs brain would be space for reasonable thoughts.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Zaxro
Profile Joined November 2009
United States261 Posts
July 02 2011 23:01 GMT
#174
On July 03 2011 07:20 Lightwip wrote:
Wow, there's way more controversy in this rank than I expected there would be.
Flash at #1 could be justified, but Flamewheel really didn't do it. I don't mean to insult him, but the way it was done is essentially what a fanboy could say to justify a loss streak: "He won all this stuff before, his losses don't matter and if you disagree you are a hater," entirely ignoring that the relevance of those previous events fades over time. In a month when it's not so clear cut, a little more should be written. I'm sure Flash fans could agree with that.

Also, why is KeSPA a dog?

Flamewheel used the only justification you need for Flash to be #1

He won the MSL this month and tied Nada by doing it. He tied the greatest player of all time in Starleague victories, surely that is enough to get him #1 for the month he achieved it at least.

I am not a Flash fan at all but this is very clear cut. Quite frankly Flamewheel could have done a "Don't even try to argue with this one" and I would have been fine with it. Just because Bisu fans are delusional doesn't mean that Flash is not the clear #1. He demolished two of the top 3 zergs 6-0 with absurdly good play to win that final. A post-finals PL slump is not enough to take away his enormous achievement this month.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 23:06:41
July 02 2011 23:02 GMT
#175
On July 03 2011 07:20 Lightwip wrote:
Also, why is KeSPA a dog?

Its a way to insult KeSPA, by spelling 케스파 as 개스파.

개 (ge) is the korean word for dog.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Geniuszerg
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada454 Posts
July 02 2011 23:09 GMT
#176
AHAHHAHAA GO STORM ZERG!!!
Zhul
Profile Joined February 2010
Czech Republic430 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 23:15:08
July 02 2011 23:14 GMT
#177
Actually I wonder that Bisu fanboys visit threads other than Nada`s body.
Ravencruiser
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada519 Posts
July 03 2011 00:30 GMT
#178
On July 02 2011 04:31 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 03:11 DarkOptik wrote:
...
What I'm bitching about is
...

And apparently you've never read anything by Scott Adams, I guess.


Way to avoid addressing all questions, and misquoting / replying to well thought out posts with 1 liners.

Although I don't agree with some of the rankings, I was on your side initially. You're just a person fallible to your own subjectiveness, but when you're so defensive and dismiss/avoid every question/criticism/whatever addressed to you as "bitching", then I have to say that you're a terrible, terrible, PR writer.

Unlike streamers, gratefulness is irrelevant because well, it is the PR and tons of people would be eager to become the next PR writer. So here's to hoping to someone else replacing you soon.
"Yah, free will is a bitch" - Drone
aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
July 03 2011 01:25 GMT
#179
On July 03 2011 09:30 Ravencruiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 04:31 flamewheel wrote:
On July 02 2011 03:11 DarkOptik wrote:
...
What I'm bitching about is
...

And apparently you've never read anything by Scott Adams, I guess.


Way to avoid addressing all questions, and misquoting / replying to well thought out posts with 1 liners.

Although I don't agree with some of the rankings, I was on your side initially. You're just a person fallible to your own subjectiveness, but when you're so defensive and dismiss/avoid every question/criticism/whatever addressed to you as "bitching", then I have to say that you're a terrible, terrible, PR writer.

Unlike streamers, gratefulness is irrelevant because well, it is the PR and tons of people would be eager to become the next PR writer. So here's to hoping to someone else replacing you soon.


I don't think he has an obligation to write a page reply to every little criticism he gets.

Besides, he's the best PR writer we've had by far for the longest time.

I can hardly see anything wrong with the way he's ranked the players.

Only the Bisu fans are having a hard time digesting that their favourite player finds it impossible to break into an SL and so does not deserve a higher spot in the rankings.
Firebats, the natural enemy of octozerg
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 03 2011 01:54 GMT
#180
Flash his PL statistics are stupid anyway, 3(4?) AKS were ''potentially'' stolen by Stats while Bisu got 3 In Winners league, Flash often wasn't even able to play because Stats was in a strange beast mode at that time.

You want to be the best player, you have to do well in both SL and PL thats it, both Hydra and Jaedong did decent in their respective PL and cruised through the ODT, and they are both MSL semi-finalists.
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