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Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-03 03:41:35
July 03 2011 03:27 GMT
#181
Flash #1 should be uncontested.
Yellow #2 as well.

The order between #3 / #4 / #5 is discussable.
I can accept it, although Jaedong as #3 after the start of the month is questionable.
Apart from ZvT his other matchups seem really shaky, and i wouldn't put him as favorite in a ZvP or ZvZ vs a strong player in said matchups (ZvP vs Bisu, ZvZ vs Hydra for instance).

wat
RLTY
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States965 Posts
July 03 2011 03:36 GMT
#182
lol hong jin ho king of silver never fails to represent
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
July 03 2011 06:00 GMT
#183
Jaedong vs JangBi

Watch it.

JangBi played well; he is truly back.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
July 03 2011 06:07 GMT
#184
If he keeps this up he'll move up next month for sure. Possibly top 3.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
July 03 2011 06:46 GMT
#185
Yessssssssssss HoeJJa what a baller. Man his ZvP was great these few weeks.
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1717 Posts
July 03 2011 12:26 GMT
#186
On July 03 2011 07:29 VGhost wrote:
It's astounding how little fanfare Flash's accomplishment has gotten, considering it's magnitude.

Sad but true.
If it were any other player... I can only imagine the mayhem
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
hns
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany609 Posts
July 03 2011 14:26 GMT
#187
On July 03 2011 06:33 VGhost wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 03 2011 05:51 ZBiR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 04:25 Mindcrime wrote:
On July 02 2011 22:50 baubo wrote:
On July 02 2011 21:15 vaMpYr wrote:
proleague is here all year , everyday ( or almost ) . its continually a part of landscape of SC . it has become more and more important above the years , its not like it was years ago . the first big proleague was the MBC vs SKT grand final in 2006 where sea exploded to the world for the only time of his life . after this , proleague became bigger and bigger . and now proleague is THE competition of SC . a korean's friend of me really confirmed that to me . OSL and MSL are not what it was in the early years , now its about PL . yes sure , OSL and MSL are still very important and very prestigious , but proleague is now more . its everyday , korea live with it everyday . with a large bigger media coverage than 5 - 6 years ago . 80% of the TV SC games in korea are now in SPL . so give it credit . im not making publicity stunt here , but i think you all are underrating the importance of SPL .


Preach on, brotha!

PR writers have been F***ing with Sea and Leta for too long!!! I demand they be ranked #2 and #3 behind the almighty Bisu in the next PR to make up for all the injustice done to them in the name of "Starleague is also important". Sea in particular should always be automatic top 5 for continuing to win with such amazing practice partners as failhoon and hyun.


Leta being ranked #1 was probably the worst travesty in the PR's history imo

Definitely.


Having gone back to find the rank in question, I'd have to disagree.

Of course, that PR itself was kind of dumb, being a two-week stop-gap measure to get the thing back on schedule, but taking Leta up to #1 when he had a 3-kill and a couple nice MSL wins (okay, one nice MSL win and a trouncing of (Z)Hyuk) to his credit isn't, honestly, that unreasonable. Unfortunately, it's a little harder to tell who else might have deserved it (Bisu? on the whole month of January, maybe Luxury or Jaedong?), but looking over the game lists (start here near the bottom) for those two weeks, plus looking at the previous PR, why was Leta such a travesty? In retrospect (i.e. after he threw away the series vs. Lux), a bad choice since you expect #1 to keep winning at least a little, but given the circumstances, hardly a travesty.

You want to talk travesty, the worst one I can think if is the "Hi, I don't think I can put a 6-2 Flash who's on track to win GOM on the PR AT ALL because he lost to Kwanro and in fact I'm going to ignore his GOM games completely" incident.

Oh, and putting type.b on the PR when he had that flukey OSL run. That was kind of bad too.


The funniest thing about your post is that I open your second PR link, click on a random page of the discussion and the first thing I see is Vampyr arguing why Bisu should be placed higher, haha
ZerO, Action, Neo.G_Soulkey & FlaSh fanboy~~
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 03 2011 14:37 GMT
#188
Hahaha!

''i can tell you i HATE bisu , so im not subjective here , im objective 100%''

Vampyr is a weird fellow.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
vaMpYr
Profile Joined July 2009
France119 Posts
July 03 2011 16:48 GMT
#189
i really dont see what is so weird here . i used to hate bisu at this time yes . now i like him . where is the problem in accepting a player's supremacy even when you hate him ?

maybe you need to grow up , dont you think ?
jaedong > flash in OSLs ; jaedong > flash in MSLs ; jaedong > flash in WCGs ; jaedong > flash in proleagues . what else ? NESPRESSO ( old quote =( )
holyhalo5
Profile Joined October 2009
United States187 Posts
July 03 2011 17:49 GMT
#190
This question is addressed to anyone who wishes to answer.

What would it take for Flash to get to #2? How horribly must Flash fail (short of retirement) to make you finally consider Flash's past achievements null, and move him down on the PR?

I don't disagree that Flash has been the most dominant player for 3 years now, and that he deserved every single #1 he got (I even thought that one #2 sometime ago was quite unfair for him). But the way flamewheel justified THIS time's #1 made me scared; he actually gives me the impression that short of retirement, nothing can rob Flash of his #1 spot. Flamewheel implies that only two excuses are needed to justify this: Flash's wrist injury, and Flash's past achievements. Flash deserved #1 this time, but does he deserve it next month if he keeps performing below par?
I'm cold as iceeeee
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 03 2011 17:51 GMT
#191
You're weird because your posting history is for instance full of claims of how you ''watch more korean SC games'' than others and mentionings your ''korean friend who knows the scene better than anyone on TL'', constant usage of comparisons to tennis players and whatnot as arguments, various absurd statements about Flash (''flash sucks in psychologic . flash sucks in creativity . flash sucks in intelligence . flash sucks in mental strenght . he is NOT a micro player like jaedong , bisu or boxer . he loves turtle . he is NOTHING . he just learnt starcraft copying progamers when he was 12 . he just SUCKS compare to jaedong'') and then has the nerve to talk about how you are very objective regarding the korean scene.

I will not get involved in any discussion with you. Call me immature if you want to, I just want to avoid getting banned (which I'm fairly certain I would considering how frustrating it would be) and shitting up the thread (which I'm afraid I'm already doing right now ). If TL had an ''Ignore''-function I would use it on you.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
July 03 2011 17:56 GMT
#192
On July 04 2011 02:49 holyhalo5 wrote:
This question is addressed to anyone who wishes to answer.

What would it take for Flash to get to #2? How horribly must Flash fail (short of retirement) to make you finally consider Flash's past achievements null, and move him down on the PR?

Read the PR from May, or the one from January.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 03 2011 18:07 GMT
#193
No, Flash will not be able to keep his spot in the upcoming months unless he gets rid of his wrist problems and starts delivering results again. This month was very different, and although I agree with everyone who wanted more written about Flash in the PR, the position was perfectly warranted.

I mean, I'd still give Flash more benefit of doubt than everyone else, but he'll get no free #1's in my book.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
July 03 2011 18:09 GMT
#194
Holyhalo, Flash won the MSL and golden badge this month. Thus it was appropriate to reference his golds for this PR. He has plenty of opportunities to drop from #1. If he fails in the Ro16 and Ro32 again, then that is one possibility.

Don't even try to argue this one.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
vaMpYr
Profile Joined July 2009
France119 Posts
July 03 2011 19:06 GMT
#195
On July 04 2011 02:51 Holgerius wrote:
You're weird because your posting history is for instance full of claims of how you ''watch more korean SC games'' than others and mentionings your ''korean friend who knows the scene better than anyone on TL'', constant usage of comparisons to tennis players and whatnot as arguments, various absurd statements about Flash (''flash sucks in psychologic . flash sucks in creativity . flash sucks in intelligence . flash sucks in mental strenght . he is NOT a micro player like jaedong , bisu or boxer . he loves turtle . he is NOTHING . he just learnt starcraft copying progamers when he was 12 . he just SUCKS compare to jaedong'') and then has the nerve to talk about how you are very objective regarding the korean scene.

I will not get involved in any discussion with you. Call me immature if you want to, I just want to avoid getting banned (which I'm fairly certain I would considering how frustrating it would be) and shitting up the thread (which I'm afraid I'm already doing right now ). If TL had an ''Ignore''-function I would use it on you.



you are a hudge idiot . being objective for ranking or skill level is something completly different than being subjective with a deep feeling about a player you hate . i was saying what i think of flash , nothing more . is it forbidden ? it never stopped me to always admit when flash was the best player in the world . being subjective is good thing sometimes you know , just expressing your feelings .

i never said my friend knows the scene better than anyone on TL and if i said it , then i was misexpress myself . he is not a good SC player , and not really passionnate or something . but he lived in korea during SC gold age , and he knows what is SC in korea . he used to love SC like many koreans and watched many events of it . and he learned me many things about it .

and if i often compare SC competition to tennis , its because i love tennis and i have a good knoweldge of it , thats all . it can be to any competition sport you want .

and if i get you really upset , im sorry =) .
jaedong > flash in OSLs ; jaedong > flash in MSLs ; jaedong > flash in WCGs ; jaedong > flash in proleagues . what else ? NESPRESSO ( old quote =( )
Ermac
Profile Joined June 2011
336 Posts
July 03 2011 19:26 GMT
#196
Ugh... vampyr.

No offense, but please stop posting.
"Blind aggressiveness would destroy the attack itself, not the defense." - Carl von Clausewitz
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
July 03 2011 19:31 GMT
#197
On July 03 2011 07:44 Malinor wrote:
I don't even understand why you guys are writing replays to vampyr, it's as useless as telling GG.nore that Jaedong is not the second incarnation of Jesus or assuming that in Superarcs brain would be space for reasonable thoughts.


And let us never speak of him again.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 03 2011 19:37 GMT
#198
When you spew out venomous (and grossly erroneous) stuff like that about players, how do you expect someone to take you seriously when you proclaim that you're a beacon of objectivity?

You said exactly that. ''i know what im talking about . i have some korean friend who know the korean scene more than everyone on TL''.

The comparisons with other sports are generally completely irrelevant to the discussion. The ATP ranking is not comparable to the TL Power Rank at all.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
vaMpYr
Profile Joined July 2009
France119 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-03 20:11:18
July 03 2011 20:11 GMT
#199
ok i will stop posting . sorry for everything .
jaedong > flash in OSLs ; jaedong > flash in MSLs ; jaedong > flash in WCGs ; jaedong > flash in proleagues . what else ? NESPRESSO ( old quote =( )
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-03 20:22:04
July 03 2011 20:19 GMT
#200
You don't have to literally stop posting yo. Unless a moderator bans you. But if you don't want to be unpopular amongst the TL crowd you might want to change some things about your posting.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
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