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maximuspita
1093 Posts
On July 05 2011 14:33 Kiante wrote: Bisu gets record for most wins in proleague. ever. flash slumps flash #1 bisu #5 i'm sorry what? Flash ties NaDA in starleague golds Bisu drops out of OSL to hyvaa. Yes? | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
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maximuspita
1093 Posts
On July 05 2011 14:51 Kiante wrote: 90% winrate vs 50% winrate. yes? Keep cherry picking PL stats from just a month. All of these have been dealt with and more by Mortality and others. | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 05 2011 14:51 Kiante wrote: 90% winrate vs 50% winrate. yes? Sorry making it individual leagues while doing good in proleague is way better then just being a proleague boss lol. Jaedong/Flash should be ahead of Bisu for sure this PR, and with how jaedong is playing in individual leagues and proleague should stay ahead of him. | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On July 05 2011 15:07 blade55555 wrote: Sorry making it individual leagues while doing good in proleague is way better then just being a proleague boss lol. Jaedong/Flash should be ahead of Bisu for sure this PR, and with how jaedong is playing in individual leagues and proleague should stay ahead of him. going 1-5 in proleague is "good"? thats not good, thats terrible. | ||
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vaMpYr
France119 Posts
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Grend
1600 Posts
Simply because it lets you measure players up against eachother, instead of having to base things off a number. | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On July 05 2011 14:33 Kiante wrote: Bisu gets record for most wins in proleague. ever. flash slumps flash #1 bisu #5 i'm sorry what? Flash was #1 the previous PR, he only needed to maintain his spot this month. He won the MSL in this PR's set of data that's a lot more important than some PL wins. Come complain if the situation is the same when Bisu decides to actually do something in the individual leagues. Good in PL only keeps Bisu in the PR 3-5 spots. Bad wrist included, nobody is a favorite in a BO5 against Flash. For me that's a pretty good metric of where a player should be ranked. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 05 2011 15:10 Kiante wrote: going 1-5 in proleague is "good"? thats not good, thats terrible. I think you're missing something. Most people don't care about a month's worth of proleague games when there's major individual league stuff going on. Flash won a title and made it into OSL, Bisu dropped out of OSL and never had a shot at the MSL. Bisu is clearly the better proleague player, but no one but Bisu fans care or think it's enough reason to award him #1. He'd probably have a shot at stealing it if he could've made it out of prelims, but that was the nail in the coffin. | ||
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vaMpYr
France119 Posts
On July 05 2011 20:13 TwoToneTerran wrote: I think you're missing something. Most people don't care about a month's worth of proleague games when there's major individual league stuff going on. Flash won a title and made it into OSL, Bisu dropped out of OSL and never had a shot at the MSL. Bisu is clearly the better proleague player, but no one but Bisu fans care or think it's enough reason to award him #1. He'd probably have a shot at stealing it if he could've made it out of prelims, but that was the nail in the coffin. is PR belongs to flash fans for several time now ? we all know flash is the best player ever . nobody will say he is not . nobody . but i think you all are really overratted him compare to some others players and are too much seeing his "legend" thing . i think its really unfair to many other players . flash had many many 1# PR , more than everyone . and to defend his 1# spot this month with his "nada lol achievement" or others legend things about him is simply unfair to the "june players" bisu , jangbi , jaedong , movie , hoejja , soo ect ect . flash just failed his june month , and he deserve to down because of that . his MSL crush should just maitain him in the top 5 or top 3 . but not 1# . its unfair . | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
 I really don't see how Bisu could have a realistic shot at #1 with his constant failures in the individual leagues. It hasn't happened once, not twice... it happens every single time! Every single Starleague since a couple of years back. In the meantime Flash is busy tying Nada by stomping through his competition with 3-0's in a ridiculously dominating fashion while having wrist problems. Bisu is a ridiculous monster in PL, but that has NEVER been more important to the PR than winning golds in the Starleagues. He has something to prove, and he just hasn't done it so far. | ||
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vaMpYr
France119 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On July 05 2011 20:40 vaMpYr wrote: is PR belongs to flash fans for several time now ? we all know flash is the best player ever . nobody will say he is not . nobody . but i think you all are really overratted him compare to some others players and are too much seeing his "legend" thing . i think its really unfair to many other players . flash had many many 1# PR , more than everyone . and to defend his 1# spot this month with his "nada lol achievement" or others legend things about him is simply unfair to the "june players" bisu , jangbi , jaedong , movie , hoejja , soo ect ect . flash just failed his june month , and he deserve to down because of that . his MSL crush should just maitain him in the top 5 or top 3 . but not 1# . its unfair . It is fair, because the same treatment would be given to anyone else doing the same thing. Remember when JD went 0-3 in the PL finals, then went 1-3 in the MSL? No one gave a shit about that; JD smashed through his competition in the OSL (including the same guy who made a fool out of him in the PL final) and won the Golden Badge! He then proceeded to lose to Stork in WCG in the same month, but once again; no one fucking cares because he won back to back OSLs for the first time since Boxer himself did it! Stop assuming this is a conspiracy to keep Flash at the top. He does deserve the #1 spot, and you will find that most people agree with that. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
i can promise you that in the next PR flash wont be amended 1# spot for tying nada's record if that helps your feeling and it may be very well we wont be seeing flash playing in quite some time with the wrist problem and all. i have no problem you expressing you subjective/objective feeling but i dont think anyone here is sharing them objectively/subjectively so just remember when u'r driving your car on the highway and wondering to your self why so many cars are driving on the opposite way in the same rout you need to take a breath count to 5 .... slowly and realize its you driving on the wrong side and if we're at it with this analogy plz stop wasting fuel dear god the world has a shortage dont you know | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
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4vvhiplash7
South Africa392 Posts
On July 05 2011 21:01 vaMpYr wrote: if you have and argument who can prove that bisu does not deserve 1# ( which is really defendable ) , flash still does not deserve 1# spot either . we can have jangbi or jaedong in 1# . I thought you were going to stop posting? I read, re-read and tried again to understand your argument... but to no avail. I still don't see where you're coming from with this... Give it a break | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
but the thing is, there are other people who share his line of thinking | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 05 2011 21:01 vaMpYr wrote: if you have and argument who can prove that bisu does not deserve 1# ( which is really defendable ) , flash still does not deserve 1# spot either . we can have jangbi or jaedong in 1# . Any player who fails in OSL prelims and in the first round of MSL does not deserve to be #1 on PR. They could go undefeated in PL for the entire month and win multiple ace games and they'd just be Leta 2.0. Anyone who wins a title against strong competition has a shot at #1. Anyone who 6-0's their strong competition to win a title will always get #1 on the PR. There is no double standard here, Holgerius pointed out another time where a player got absolutely trashed in everything but one league and got #1 because they trashed one league (Jaedong did so 3-1, 3-0). Name me one thing anyone else in this past month did that was bigger or more important than the MSL. If we're going to go on a month only basis and pick out Flash's PL losses, then we will. Please tell me ANYTHING anyone has done this month that is as important or as impressive as winning an MSL -- I'm completely disregarding all of Flash's history and pointing only to the MSL win, I'm not bringing up any biased arguments for my undying love of Flash, I want you to tell me what anyone else has done that's greater than winning an MSL. | ||
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