EPTPower Rank 07/01/2011 - Page 14
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Malinor
Germany4739 Posts
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vaMpYr
France119 Posts
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Phayt
Canada346 Posts
On July 06 2011 07:54 vaMpYr wrote:my personal feelings about flash have nothing to do with this thread . i can swear on my computer head that if jaedong won the MSL on a 6 0 record with hard crush vs two very good players exactly like flash did and failed 1 5 on PL in a pathetic way like flash did in the same time bisu or flash crushed PL in a BEAUTIFUL way with a monster jangbi with all that , i would be here to argue that jaedong should not be 1# . well you'd just be wrong there, too, then. The fact of the matter is that virtually everyone(aside from yourself obviously) can agree that individual league performance trumps PL. Flash won a title this month. Bisu failed to qualify. So in SLs, Flash>Bisu(understatement), and in PL, Bisu>Flash. But SL>PL and in that case Flash>Bisu on the PR. See? Simple. Now you can sit here and continue trying to argue that SL>PL isn't the case, but you're just plain wrong. The later rounds of a starleague show us the highest level of competition between two players, in best-of format. Bisu hasn't won a best of anything in YEARS. To suggest that this guy could be #1 on the PR because of a handful of mediocre PL wins, the best being over a inconsistent HiyA, while simultaneously failing to even QUALIFY for a starleague, is downright preposterous. Frankly, if Bisu doesn't make it through the MST that's coming up, I'd personally drop him even farther, regardless of PL performance. It's getting ridiculous at this point. | ||
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beachbeachy
United States509 Posts
flash sucks in psychologic . flash sucks in creativity . flash sucks in intelligence . flash sucks in mental strenght . he is NOT a micro player like jaedong , bisu or boxer . he loves turtle . he is NOTHING . he just learnt starcraft copying progamers when he was 12 . he just SUCKS compare to jaedong Oh man. This made my day. | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
He's totally correct in opposite land! | ||
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Ermac
336 Posts
On July 06 2011 07:54 vaMpYr wrote: i dont know how i can do to convince you , but im NOT GGnore , i dont even know who he is . and im NOT a bisu fan , im the BIGGEST jaedong fan ever . and im not talking about him here . I think these statements says it all: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- flash sucks in psychologic . flash sucks in creativity . flash sucks in intelligence . flash sucks in mental strenght . he is NOT a micro player like jaedong , bisu or boxer . he loves turtle . he is NOTHING . he just learnt starcraft copying progamers when he was 12 . he just SUCKS compare to jaedong -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have no idea why we actually bother responding at all to what he's posting. Goddamnit this thread is ridiculous in the last few pages. about this , i dont know the relation with this thread . i was expressing my personal feelings about flash , am i free in this world to do this ? i have not insulted anybody and was not direspect anybody . my personal feelings about flash have nothing to do with this thread . i can swear on my computer head that if jaedong won the MSL on a 6 0 record with hard crush vs two very good players exactly like flash did and failed 1 5 on PL in a pathetic way like flash did in the same time bisu or flash crushed PL in a BEAUTIFUL way with a monster jangbi with all that , i would be here to argue that jaedong should not be 1# . Uhm... I'm no expert but isn't vampyr's posting in this thread borderline ban worthy? Horrible English, horrible post composition, declaring insulting falsity against a progamer as mere "opinions"... This is probably a grey zone but I think at least a warning should be warranted by now. He's obviously trashing/trolling this thread and I think it would be much appreciated if someone could put a stop to it. Sorry if I'm out of line here. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On July 06 2011 08:19 vaMpYr wrote: show me where please . show me the words or sentences where i disrespect flash . "flash sucks in psychologic . flash sucks in creativity . flash sucks in intelligence . flash sucks in mental strenght . he is NOT a micro player like jaedong , bisu or boxer . he loves turtle . he is NOTHING . he just learnt starcraft copying progamers when he was 12 . he just SUCKS compare to jaedong" Flash: 6-0's his competition in the MSL to take the gold and advances in the OSL. Loses some games that ultimately didn't mean much because KT's position was decided/close to decided. Bisu: Wins a couple games in the proleague; wins some more that are meaningless since SKT was locked at #1. Gets knocked out of the OSL prelims. Flash won when it mattered and lost when it didn't. Bisu won when it didn't matter and lost when it did. That's why Flash is #1. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19345 Posts
First Issue: Flash is #1 Verdict: Approved. Flash has earned another OSL title tie-ing Nada. That is the greatest achievement of July of any player. He clearly deserves this spot based on that merit. Because this ties or makes him the greatest Starcraft Player of all Time. Second Issue: Blind fanboism Verdict: Disapproved. As a Bisu fan we must all tip our hats in the direction of Flash as we honor the dude for becoming the BOAT in Starcraft. He deserves our greatest respect as he even showed some true colors playing protoss that one time that we won't discuss more here (teehee). Flash is the best and Bisu will spend the next year winning every title left available to him. See July 21st (god why is that match so far away!) Third Issue: Jaedong #3 Verdict: It's Complicated. Regardless of my fanboisms, I though that Bisu accomplished enough through his PL achievements to be in the #3 spot. He really has stepped up his game from last year and even though its recognized, this should be reflected in his rank. 3-5 Are really hard though. If you base the rank of opponents and not merits then JD and Hydra have good claims on the other two spots on top of indivdual stats. I think this PR should have resulted in a 3 way tie for #3 and skipped to Zero at #6. But of course we can't have that and we must let the TL master, "FlamingWheely" make decisions on his own. Summary: The results of July will really tell us where everyone stands in line. JD will be low on the list because his team lost. Unless there is some outstanding play in his few games in the SL. Flash will only remain #1 if KT-Flash wins the GF. #1 will go to Bisu as long as he wins his individuals, even if SKT loses to some lame team like Khan. Because at that point it meant CJ-Hydra doesn't even make the GF. So Hydra remains in the top 5 but not #1. If CJ does win the GF then Hydra will take the crown for his first time ever (am I mistaken? has he been #1?). TLDR: Bisu fans love Bisu. He will hold #1 soon enough, stand proud fans! And Tip of the Hat to Flash and FlameWheel. | ||
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vaMpYr
France119 Posts
sorry if im bad in english , i didnt know i can get ban or warned for that . i really want to make efforts but i really dont know why im seen as a troller or something . to be honest , i dont even really know what trolling means exactly .. and this quote about "flash sucks .. ect " is from early 2010 . so forget it lol .. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On July 06 2011 09:51 BisuDagger wrote: It's time for the ultimate Bisu Fan (me) to make the final verdict and lay this arguing to rest: First Issue: Flash is #1 Verdict: Approved. Flash has earned another OSL title tie-ing Nada. That is the greatest achievement of July of any player. He clearly deserves this spot based on that merit. Because this ties or makes him the greatest Starcraft Player of all Time. Second Issue: Blind fanboism Verdict: Disapproved. As a Bisu fan we must all tip our hats in the direction of Flash as we honor the dude for becoming the BOAT in Starcraft. He deserves our greatest respect as he even showed some true colors playing protoss that one time that we won't discuss more here (teehee). Flash is the best and Bisu will spend the next year winning every title left available to him. See July 21st (god why is that match so far away!) Third Issue: Jaedong #3 Verdict: It's Complicated. Regardless of my fanboisms, I though that Bisu accomplished enough through his PL achievements to be in the #3 spot. He really has stepped up his game from last year and even though its recognized, this should be reflected in his rank. 3-5 Are really hard though. If you base the rank of opponents and not merits then JD and Hydra have good claims on the other two spots on top of indivdual stats. I think this PR should have resulted in a 3 way tie for #3 and skipped to Zero at #6. But of course we can't have that and we must let the TL master, "FlamingWheely" make decisions on his own. Summary: The results of July will really tell us where everyone stands in line. JD will be low on the list because his team lost. Unless there is some outstanding play in his few games in the SL. Flash will only remain #1 if KT-Flash wins the GF. #1 will go to Bisu as long as he wins his individuals, even if SKT loses to some lame team like Khan. Because at that point it meant CJ-Hydra doesn't even make the GF. So Hydra remains in the top 5 but not #1. If CJ does win the GF then Hydra will take the crown for his first time ever (am I mistaken? has he been #1?). TLDR: Bisu fans love Bisu. He will hold #1 soon enough, stand proud fans! And Tip of the Hat to Flash and FlameWheel. Not neccesarily, remember Jaedong won the last 2 games despite them losing to STX 1-4, they did win very convincingly in an awesome game against Khan and Jaedong once again won his respective match. Jaedong is still in the OSL(not sure when ro16 hits though) and is seeded in the MST. Bisu's spot will depend on how he does in the MST(seriously, if he doesn't make it out of that frigging group then its pathetic) and how good he will do at the PL Final, even if SKT does take it, if Bisu loses his match then there is no way he will be high. On July 06 2011 10:02 vaMpYr wrote: when i say " flash sucks " its insulting him ? .. i want to understand .. sorry if im bad in english , i didnt know i can get ban or warned for that . i really want to make efforts but i really dont know why im seen as a troller or something . to be honest , i dont even really know what trolling means exactly .. and this quote about "flash sucks .. ect " is from early 2010 . so forget it lol .. to be fair its not just your english, its your tendency to put dots everywhere on random spots. | ||
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Tempest[OEC]
United States417 Posts
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
But he made this thread entertaining, I will give it to him. If he had done it on purpose then this is the best trolling I have seen on TL... | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On July 06 2011 12:57 Lightwip wrote: The best trolling on TL is definitely that Facebook thread, no matter what. I agree 100% with you on this. I aspire to one day pull something like that. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
On July 06 2011 13:33 GolemMadness wrote: What Facebook thread? You, sir, must be new here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=75160 | ||
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RBorin
United States40 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On July 06 2011 15:08 RBorin wrote: After reading over this thread and several other PR threads over time, I have come to the conclusion that a lot of these arguments could be avoided if we ever wrote up and posted a Power Rank mission statement. Is the Proleague not as important as the OSL and MSL, or are they of equal importance? What about non-OSL/MSL/Proleague tournaments? Do invitationals count? If SPL isn't as important, is there a point at which a certain amount of SPL wins become as important as OSL wins? In other words, how is a player judged? I'm not saying that the PR should seek to become an objective number count like the ELO. I understand that statistics don't tell the whole story and that the PR seeks to interpret the numbers to tell the "full story" of who are the 10 most formidable players in a given month. That's fine, but without a comprehensive, unchanging statement that fully lays out how this interpretation is formed, people will continue create their own interpretations and that can only lead to more senseless arguments. But that is so...boring. I don't want a mission statement spoiling everything, but why should I have all the fun? | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
On July 06 2011 15:08 RBorin wrote: After reading over this thread and several other PR threads over time, I have come to the conclusion that a lot of these arguments could be avoided if we ever wrote up and posted a Power Rank mission statement. Is the Proleague not as important as the OSL and MSL, or are they of equal importance? What about non-OSL/MSL/Proleague tournaments? Do invitationals count? If SPL isn't as important, is there a point at which a certain amount of SPL wins become as important as OSL wins? In other words, how is a player judged? I'm not saying that the PR should seek to become an objective number count like the ELO. I understand that statistics don't tell the whole story and that the PR seeks to interpret the numbers to tell the "full story" of who are the 10 most formidable players in a given month. That's fine, but without a comprehensive, unchanging statement that fully lays out how this interpretation is formed, people will continue create their own interpretations and that can only lead to more senseless arguments. I don't know where the confusion is. Individual leagues involve playing against progressively better players in a series format on various maps. Proleague involves playing against any player on the opposite team on chosen maps. It's really the fanboyism/anti-fanboyism doing the flaming. I think Flamewheel is doing a good job in the sense that he also looks beyond just leagues and he looks into the matches themselves. Of course, he's still fallible to overlook things, but he's been pretty consistent in prioritizing leagues and match-ups. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
I won't argue whether that is right or wrong, in the end it's all up to the PR writer anyhow, but I did want to point it out since some people here seem to just saying, "he won the MSL stupid, so he should be #1. Duh!", which isn't much of an argument. | ||
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