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On July 21 2011 18:05 Motivate wrote:
imo jaedong should be number 1 next rank. he lost to hyuk. so what? he had a BO disadvantage and hyuk played brilliantly. imo the only place where you could fault him was that he made slightly too many zerglings.
would like to see bogus and light on the rankings as well.
JD has only played 3 games total this month, none of them against top opponents. 2-1 in that respect does not go a long way towards #1 material. His streak was last month and already counted towards him placing #3 (or #2 effectively).
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Yeah Jaedong shouldn't get #1 due to only 3 games being played (and if he loses his next OSL game i'll be T_T'ing all day long).
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I'd say flash is guaranteed #1
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On July 21 2011 18:05 Motivate wrote:
imo jaedong should be number 1 next rank. he lost to hyuk. so what? he had a BO disadvantage and hyuk played brilliantly. imo the only place where you could fault him was that he made slightly too many zerglings.
would like to see bogus and light on the rankings as well.
He lost to Hyuk and he was able to play 3 games this month, he lost one of them.
Jaedong shouldn't be #1, Flash should, as long as he beats Stork and continues to deliver in the Playoffs he is #1 by a far margin even.
I might even say that Hydra deserves #2 over the Dong.(depending on Hydra's performance in the playoffs).
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Uhhhhhhhhhhh
# of games played in a given month should not be held against a player. JD has been his awesome; his team sucky. The point that his streak was only enough to make him #2 last month IS valid PROVIDED Flash does enough to maintain #1. Which I think he will.
Now personally, I do think JD should drop a little. I no longer consider him the king of ZvZ and I'm not sure if he's still the best ZvPer. Maybe a little more consistent than Zero or Hydra, but against Bisu I think Zero and Hydra have a better chance. Often these days I see JD fall behind during the middle game and then stage a comeback with awesome late game play. To his benefit he has the strongest late game ZvP by far, but I have to hold that tendency to fall behind in the mid game against him. And, equally important as the subject of skill (where overall we may give JD the benefit of the doubt over Zero or Hydra) is the subject of results. So far in 2011 Hydra has the best individual league results of anyone (gold -> semifinals), including Flash, and Zero went beyond JD in the last MSL and really shined big time in the playoffs. Not to mention that PR is about hotness and right now Zero is so hot that I hear MC Hammer in my head whenever I look at him. "da-nanana-nana-nana Can't touch this!"
How much JD drops depends on whether or not he advances. If he fails to advance he will deserve to be behind Zero. If he advances the question becomes more complicated.
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Woah Jangbi powerrank sighting.
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hey Mortality
+ Show Spoiler +Still think Soo's simply just a one-matchup wonder?
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On July 22 2011 20:05 ArvickHero wrote:hey Mortality + Show Spoiler +Still think Soo's simply just a one-matchup wonder?
Yeah Mortality, that "one" game proves you wrong!
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Looks like Flash is pretty much guaranteed #1 again this month. + Show Spoiler +That was a pretty one-sided beatdown he gave Stork.
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I'd say that was Stork's fault to a great extent. His micro and strategy was horrid there.
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Yep, seems so. We still have to see how Flash performs in PL PO's vs CJ before we can say 100% he's nr.1.
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On July 22 2011 20:05 ArvickHero wrote:hey Mortality + Show Spoiler +Still think Soo's simply just a one-matchup wonder?
Hoejja: King of ZvT because he beat Sea on La Mancha!
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On July 22 2011 20:18 aupstar wrote:Yeah Mortality, that "one" game proves you wrong!
wait, Bizang also won his only game against a zerg this month making him undefeated in the match-up... PvZ Bonjwa???
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I think we can safely say that Jangbi is going to be off the ranking. I'm tempted to say he deserves a shout out for a tough break. His game against JD early in the month was tremendous, but a player who goes 2-6, dropping from OSL and dropping games that matter in PL playoffs cannot get a rank on a month with so many stand outs. Although maybe tie-breaker is possible?
On July 22 2011 20:05 ArvickHero wrote:hey Mortality + Show Spoiler +Still think Soo's simply just a one-matchup wonder?
I did not see the game, but really, are you seriously going to suggest that a single win proves anything? Especially given Sea's current form (not even top 10 TvZ by ELO, only 1 win in his last 8 games). Although I think this also knocks Sea out of the running for PR since currently he is achieving results that are great in TvT, but mediocre in TvP and less than mediocre in TvZ.
Soo could get ranked. After TLPD is updated he will be ahead of Soulkey in ELO even though Soulkey was 100 points ahead a month ago. The PL grandfinal and the game against Hiya will be important indicators for Soo's rank.
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[NC]...YellOw, forever the #2.
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gee I love the overreactions to when I say that Soo isn't simply a one-matchup wonder. Possibly my definition is wrong, but I think of one-matchup wonder literally being you can only play one matchup and suck donkey shit in all other MUs (Skyhigh one such example).
I'm simply saying that Soo (and Hoejja for you KT fans) can play really solid ZvT and (maybe) ZvZ now, while having superb ZvP. When Soo was slumping, his ZvT and ZvZ was absolutely abysmal, but recently he's been playing very solid management ZvT against decent opponents.
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Canada2480 Posts
On July 23 2011 07:44 ArvickHero wrote:
gee I love the overreactions to when I say that Soo isn't simply a one-matchup wonder. Possibly my definition is wrong, but I think of one-matchup wonder literally being you can only play one matchup and suck donkey shit in all other MUs (Skyhigh one such example).
I'm simply saying that Soo (and Hoejja for you KT fans) can play really solid ZvT and (maybe) ZvZ now, while having superb ZvP. When Soo was slumping, his ZvT and ZvZ was absolutely abysmal, but recently he's been playing very solid management ZvT against decent opponents.
I don't think anyone is saying soO is awful at ZvT (as in modesty awful) but rather that only his ZvP is power rank worthy.
(and also that if soO's ZvT wasn't considered good before his game against sea why would it be after only one game)
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Hoejja 5-3 this month, 4-1 in PL playoffs (the only loss was to Light who was a TvZ master anyway). POWER OF LEFTY YO
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On July 23 2011 07:44 ArvickHero wrote:
gee I love the overreactions to when I say that Soo isn't simply a one-matchup wonder. Possibly my definition is wrong, but I think of one-matchup wonder literally being you can only play one matchup and suck donkey shit in all other MUs (Skyhigh one such example).
I'm simply saying that Soo (and Hoejja for you KT fans) can play really solid ZvT and (maybe) ZvZ now, while having superb ZvP. When Soo was slumping, his ZvT and ZvZ was absolutely abysmal, but recently he's been playing very solid management ZvT against decent opponents.
Sometimes able to play a match solidly isn't the same thing as being well and truly solid. He's secured a few decent wins, but outside of ZvP nothing really worth bragging about. Since you bring up SkyHigh I may as well point out that SkyHigh's TvP and TvZ stats are comparable to Soo's ZvT and ZvZ. And even if you want to say that Soo's days of failure are behind him, this is something that has to be proved. A handful of wins don't do that. Quantitatively he still has something to prove and qualitatively he's done nothing high profile, nothing really of note to anyone who isn't wearing a T1 logo.
And I don't know how you get the idea that he was in a slump when he had never proven himself to begin with. A slump implies that proof has been given.
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Roo/Perfective on a 3 game win streak in the playoffs. Not good enough for the PR, but maybe for CBNC 
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EPT
