EPTPower Rank 06/02/2011 - Page 20
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gosublade
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On June 21 2011 08:39 Cpadolf wrote: I'd say it was a bit easier for that reason. Few people besides Flash usually get deep in both tournaments, so he's often at a disadvantage due to that in the later stages. But not this time. Agreed. Only twice in history has a player won both leagues at the same time: NaDa-Chojja OSL / NaDa-Chojja MSL and Flash-Jaedong OSL / Flash-Jaedong MSL It's a bit easier to prepare when you are facing the same opponent twice. In the case of NaDa, it was actually 3 SL's in the same season since GhemTV ran a third Starleague, but the dates for GhemTV SL were such that the later stages of that tournament were played after both OSL and MSL were over. (Interesting fact: Chojja was third place in GhemTV SL that season... potentially we could have seen NaDa whooping on Chojja in all 3 finals :p). | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On June 21 2011 05:43 Mortality wrote: Jangbi deserves some props for escaping as a wildcard, but other than a couple bo1 wins over Zero and Leta to earn that spot he has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. The only other remotely competent vP player he has faced was Hyuk. Don't pad resumes with prelim matches. Prelims are a total crap-shoot. Tell that to Bisu...  But seriously, I often heard of progamers being the most nervous in those offline tournaments and how they never want to go back to "PC Bang" (korean progamer slang for prelims) again. | ||
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VGhost
United States3618 Posts
On June 21 2011 03:21 Holgerius wrote: Hydra is actually on a 10 game winning streak. Ya, I don't think it's fair to count games vs Flash in God-mode.  I really want to assume you're joking here. On the off-chance you're not - as I recall, there were worries about Hydra but a number of people thought he'd put up a fight - he didn't; ZerO actually was given a pretty good shot by a lot of people (given that last proleague game) and then Flash rolled out with a shiny crisped-up build and demolished him (even though he played well in the first couple games, he just wasn't prepared). | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On June 21 2011 09:28 jpak wrote: Tell that to Bisu... But seriously, I often heard of progamers being the most nervous in those offline tournaments and how they never want to go back to "PC Bang" (korean progamer slang for prelims) again. Bisu has had a fairly easy month, true, but his dominance has been perpetual for about 6 months. Jangbi has been dealing with a "King of Losers" reputation that he needs to overcome. PvT used to be his best match but now he only has 2 wins in his past 14. The thing about prelim matches is that the skill of your opponents is too variable. You can't really just say "oh, he went 8-2 in that tournament" because 9-2 in prelims means nothing compared to 9-2 in even PL, let alone SL. Really Jangbi only played 4 games against opponents who have solidly demonstrated competence vP (Zero, Leta, Soo) and went 2-2. The difference between an A teamer and a B teamer or even just a rookie who has played about 10 games on A team is enormous. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On June 21 2011 09:58 VGhost wrote: I really want to assume you're joking here. On the off-chance you're not - as I recall, there were worries about Hydra but a number of people thought he'd put up a fight - he didn't; ZerO actually was given a pretty good shot by a lot of people (given that last proleague game) and then Flash rolled out with a shiny crisped-up build and demolished him (even though he played well in the first couple games, he just wasn't prepared). I'm not really joking; what I mean is you can't really hold losses vs Flash when he's playing like that against someone. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On June 21 2011 13:19 Holgerius wrote: I'm not really joking; what I mean is you can't really hold losses vs Flash when he's playing like that against someone. Flash played extremely well, but Hydra just rolled over. It wasn't even specially prepared builds. It was just perfectly executed standard builds. :/ I'd hold it against him, but Idk if that even counts as this month. After that, Hydra has been having a great month. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On June 21 2011 13:28 ghrur wrote: Flash played extremely well, but Hydra just rolled over. It wasn't even specially prepared builds. It was just perfectly executed standard builds. :/ I'd hold it against him, but Idk if that even counts as this month. After that, Hydra has been having a great month. 2 Rax tech, which he used game 1 and 2, are not standard builds these days at all. Hydra rolled over just like Zero did, or JD has done in the past. I am convinced Flash would've destroyed anyone in that series, with that amount of preparation and practise. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On June 21 2011 13:32 Holgerius wrote: 2 Rax tech, which he used game 1 and 2, are not standard builds these days at all. Hydra rolled over just like Zero did, or JD has done in the past. I am convinced Flash would've destroyed anyone in that series, with that amount of preparation and practise. I concur with that assessment. Flash put everything into that semifinal and final. | ||
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
On June 21 2011 13:32 Holgerius wrote: 2 Rax tech, which he used game 1 and 2, are not standard builds these days at all. Hydra rolled over just like Zero did, or JD has done in the past. I am convinced Flash would've destroyed anyone in that series, with that amount of preparation and practise. When evaluating non-Flash players, I suggest that we don't consider losses vs Flash as legit losses but count wins against him. That's the only way we can be fair about it :D (and no I'm not being sarcastic, but I'm not being serious either). Flash better stomp group A so that he can tie his head to head vs JD. That way No.1 becomes undisputed once more. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On June 21 2011 13:32 Holgerius wrote: 2 Rax tech, which he used game 1 and 2, are not standard builds these days at all. Hydra rolled over just like Zero did, or JD has done in the past. I am convinced Flash would've destroyed anyone in that series, with that amount of preparation and practise. I don't think he would have 3-0'd jaedong. Actually with how jaedong has been playing vs strong terrans lately I would have given him a good chance at winning. There was 1 time where flash 3-0'd him and hasn't happened sense. I am so sad that zero robbed us of it as he couldn't even win a game T_T | ||
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HopLight
Sweden999 Posts
On June 21 2011 02:38 Mortality wrote: What I don't understand is... what the hell is going on in KT house? They have 30 wins in PL. The #4 ranked team has what, 24 wins? That means unless they lose every single match they are going to end the season as #3. In terms of what that means for the playoffs, there's no difference between ending as #3 and ending as #4 - #6 and there is mathematically NO WAY for them to drop out of the top 6. Likewise, they are not going to move up. Not when CJ is playing this strong and SKT1 is playing this strong. Not happening. So again, WHY are they playing Flash? Either the coaching staff has lost all its sense or Flash's wrist problems are a lie. Because you don't play someone who is injured in a game that doesn't actually matter. Well, up until the match against CJ they had a pretty good chance at stealing nr.2 which would have made a pretty big difference. It is first now that it doesn't matter at all so hopefully they will stop sending Flash now and give him a few weeks to recover. (Besides, we need to give the rest of the players some experience) | ||
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aupstar
Australia912 Posts
On June 21 2011 08:39 Cpadolf wrote: I'd say it was a bit easier for that reason. Few people besides Flash usually get deep in both tournaments, so he's often at a disadvantage due to that in the later stages. But not this time. Seriously? It's easier to play in 1 SL vs 2 at the same time? It's easier to advance when all the players have plenty of time to practice for the one tournament (bar the constant that is Proleague)? I'm sure this is why it's so easy to win dual starleague titles. | ||
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
On June 21 2011 19:27 aupstar wrote: Seriously? It's easier to play in 1 SL vs 2 at the same time? It's easier to advance when all the players have plenty of time to practice for the one tournament (bar the constant that is Proleague)? I'm sure this is why it's so easy to win dual starleague titles. What? Yes it's easier to play in 1 league than 2 at the same time, if your opponents usually only play in 1 past the Ro16 or so. And that's exactly why it's so hard to win dual starleague titles. And I mean, if both you and your opponent play in 2 SL's at the same time, you're not exactly at an advantage anyway. | ||
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aupstar
Australia912 Posts
On June 21 2011 19:46 Cpadolf wrote: What? Yes it's easier to play in 1 league than 2 at the same time, if your opponents usually only play in 1 past the Ro16 or so. And that's exactly why it's so hard to win dual starleague titles. And I mean, if both you and your opponent play in 2 SL's at the same time, you're not exactly at an advantage anyway. Ah I see what you're saying. You're saying that since they only have to practice for 1 tournament it's easier on them because they're not stressing over preparing build orders for 2 tournaments at the same time. I guess in a way you're right, but I'd still argue that given that it's an even playing field with players not needing to save strats or worry that they've revealed too much in a close best of series in the MSL giving them a severe disadvantage in the OSL. Hence, player ace strats stay hidden for longer and their opponents aren't able to adjust the same way due to lack of replays. This also means that the player is more likely to go all out in a best of series. They are also more likely to be fighting fit and not fatigued from playing in MSL/OSL/Proleague simultaneously which makes them exponentially scarier. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Finally taking down his rival PerfectMan, who was always sent by Oz to snipe Light who was always supposed to be there to snipe JD. This puts light at 7-3 in his last 10 TvP. Who would have ever thought? And also, although I don't see FBH as a contender for PR this month... http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=43&part=games&vs=all&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2011&from_month=3&from_day=1&to_year=2011&to_month=6&to_day=21&action=Update ...has an ACE player ever looked this good for this long?! | ||
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Mumei
United States258 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
P.S. what's with there being 8 guys over 2200 elo? | ||
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Mumei
United States258 Posts
I wish there were some function that allowed you to look at Elo on different dates, so I could get a better sense of Elo fluctuations. I only started paying attention to Elo in the middle of last year. | ||
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