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United States10328 Posts
On June 22 2011 07:52 Mortality wrote:
Light has historically been very strong at TvZ, one of the top 2 for about a year and a half, and his TvT has been solid A-class for years. His TvP is whats been dragging its heels. It seemed like it kept getting worse throughout his career. In 2010 SWL it was okay enough to pull a few solid wins off good players, but let's face it, over a one year period he was under 30%. I'll settle with him just maintaining his TvP at a passable standard of 50%.
Apparently he was very good at TvZ and TvP in early '07 or so? I wasn't around but I read the PRs from back then so... ~_~
On June 22 2011 07:52 Mortality wrote:
P.S. what's with there being 8 guys over 2200 elo?
inflaaaaaaaation
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i dont think bisu should be very high. sure he is 5-1 so far this month, but all his wins have been over not very good players. and he didnt make it into the OSL
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meh nvm me, too tired i guess -_-
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On June 22 2011 15:07 oldgregg wrote:
i dont think bisu should be very high. sure he is 5-1 so far this month, but all his wins have been over not very good players. and he didnt make it into the OSL
lol at you acting like people are talking nonsense when Bisu was still 5-0 at the time the post before yours was written.
[And btw, he's 6-1 now. Why Fox would send Wooki of all people as ace against a team with 5 players that have 60% or better lifetime win percentage against Protoss I have no idea. I guess Wooki is their ace now? :/]
As for this shit about Bisu not deserving any cred, just because he's had a relatively easy month in PL should not be held against him when he's been dominating for months. Other than a brief blip in March he's been consistently floating around 80% month in month out for over half a year. He's #1 ELO. If you think he's not one of the 5 scariest players in SC right now then you are retarded.
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bisu maybe played well this month but as usual he messed up in starleague
not even starleage preliminaries
his elo is high since losing in preliminaries doesnt affect your elo morality
he is playing scary but at the same time its scary to see him drop the ball each time in critical times vs inferior players (on paper )
no excuse for that loss to hyvaa and that will cost him #1 in pr
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I still think Flash should be #1 and Bisu likely #2. Yes he lost to both roro and hyvaa but those two played spectacularly well, I honestly doubt any other P could have done as well against as Bisu did
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On June 22 2011 18:06 Dakkas wrote:
I still think Flash should be #1 and Bisu likely #2. Yes he lost to both roro and hyvaa but those two played spectacularly well, I honestly doubt any other P could have done as well against as Bisu did
i agree tough sadly it speaks more on the condition of the protoss players than a glorification for bisu
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On June 22 2011 19:26 pvzvt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 18:06 Dakkas wrote:
I still think Flash should be #1 and Bisu likely #2. Yes he lost to both roro and hyvaa but those two played spectacularly well, I honestly doubt any other P could have done as well against as Bisu did i agree tough sadly it speaks more on the condition of the protoss players than a glorification for bisu
Yes it is sad, the OSL prelims will forever haunt me
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What people also should calculate is that bisu broke the most win record in PL, currently at _61_.
It's something that HAS to be considered in the PR.
Also you have to consider his defeats, they were all close games, against opponents
that played excellently, they weren't walkovers or bisu playing atrociously.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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On June 22 2011 20:21 Elefanto wrote:
What people also should calculate is that bisu broke the most win record in PL, currently at _61_.
It's something that HAS to be considered in the PR.
Also you have to consider his defeats, they were all close games, against opponents
that played excellently, they weren't walkovers or bisu playing atrociously.
That's why he should be #2, having the PL record that doesn't look like it'll be beaten for a while is good but it doesn't compare with winning a MSL
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This ranking is going to be so hard... and we have a whole week left to fuck things up further!
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On June 22 2011 21:17 Cpadolf wrote:
This ranking is going to be so hard... and we have a whole week left to fuck things up further!
Yeah trust me, I'm really not looking forward to this one.
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Right now, I think Flash should be #1 and the #2 spot should go to either Jaedong or Bisu depending on how the rest of the month goes.
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On June 22 2011 15:07 oldgregg wrote:
i dont think bisu should be very high. sure he is 5-1 so far this month, but all his wins have been over not very good players. and he didnt make it into the OSL
Indeed I agree. He also lost against Hyvaa in his strongest matchup. Hyvaa is less than 47.5% against toss. Majority of protoss DO defeat him.
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Hahaha, JD is such a baller. Like a week ago I would've considered taking him off the PR entirely, he was on the worst losing streak of his career and dropped like a stone in the ELO rankings, now he's on a 6 game winning streak, including his 3rd and 4th straight wins against Flash. XD You can never count him out. Fucking never. After the three straight Bo5 final wins by Flash over JD I thought their rivalry was sort of dying a little bit, but all these losses makes me really excited about the chance of them facing off in the OSL final. 
Anyways, Flash is totally #1 this month in my book now that he advanced in OSL. The whole making-history-by-tying-Nada's-record-by-roflstomping-his-(respectable)-semi-final-and-final-opponents-3-0-in-a-brutal-fashion-like-a-fucking-bonjwa-thingy means so much in my eyes that all his PL losses, and the one vs JD in OSL, don't really matter at all. Not this month.
As for #2, JD and Bisu are definitly the canditades at the moment. I mean, Bisu really should be punished for once again showing a complete inability to deliver anything respectworthy when he's on his own in the individual leagues, but no one else is really stepping up. And you just can't ignore his long-term dominance in PL.
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As of now I'd make it Flash - Bisu - Jaedong for top 3, because of the ff reasons: 1. Flash tying Nada, 2. Bisu getting 61 wins so far setting a new PL record (might be more), 3. JD owning Flash 4 straight games. Since all of them have their bad points (Flash's PL and JD failures, Bisu's OSL failure, JD's horrible losing streak), the bad stuff should cancel each other out (kinda like mutual bad faith in law or in pari delicto), leaving the determination of the 1-3 ranking to a logical comparison of the 3 player's relative strengths. I think that would be fair, and that 1-3 could arguably be set at whatever sequence (the above is just my personal take on it).
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
I am already curious for next PR. JD rocks again and Flash did not crumble against Bogus.
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JD hasn't really rocked this year. :/ His ZvZ and ZvP are still really shaky, and iirc they're below 60% this year. Not exactly JD standards. His ZvT though. My god, it's freaking magnificent.
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The recent victories should keep JD on PR, however his poor performance earlier this month is going to cost him some ranks.
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